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Could it be a new named character maybe?

 Reivax26 wrote:
Could it be a new named character maybe?

I'm all for change as long as everything stays the same.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 Reivax26 wrote:
Could it be a new named character maybe?

I'm all for change as long as everything stays the same.

Ahh it is our way isn't it.

But if those point decreases are correct it could make my Dreadwing a bit better as honestly the Ancient was a bit over priced

As predicted, BA got updated phobos warlord traits, which means no more +1 to hit on plasma weapons when our supplement drops.
Unless we get a stratagem that does the same

Timur wrote:
As predicted, BA got updated phobos warlord traits, which means no more +1 to hit on plasma weapons when our supplement drops.
Unless we get a stratagem that does the same

Once our supplement drops we can us the +1 to hit chaplain prayer instead. It's not as reliable since it needs a 3+ and requires the chaplain to start on the board, but it is something.

Well, with Azrael going down and no info on Ezekiel, I think the latter will be Primarised, but the former won't

 Vector Strike wrote:
Well, with Azrael going down and no info on Ezekiel, I think the latter will be Primarised, but the former won't

Ezekiel dropped in points too

I thought Ezekiel and Asmodai both dropped to 110?

I read an article by Goonhammer about the CA changes and how it'll affect how each army plays, and they talked a bit about Dark Angels. Pretty much all of our characters got price drops with the notable exception of the Ravenwing Talonmaster, who stayed the same. With characters in pretty much all armies going down in points, this is almost like a soft nerf. It is nice to hear that both of our planes got price cuts, but unfortunately no mention of the Stormraven which means it'll probably remain non-competitive. It's safe to assume that whichever Psychic Awakening book includes DA will give us Doctrines given that Blood Angels got them in theirs, so maybe, just maybe, DA will be fairly strong in the future.

bullyboy wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Well, with Azrael going down and no info on Ezekiel, I think the latter will be Primarised, but the former won't

Ezekiel dropped in points too

Reivax26 wrote:I thought Ezekiel and Asmodai both dropped to 110?

Oopsie! Then all bets are off

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I read an article by Goonhammer about the CA changes and how it'll affect how each army plays, and they talked a bit about Dark Angels. Pretty much all of our characters got price drops with the notable exception of the Ravenwing Talonmaster, who stayed the same. With characters in pretty much all armies going down in points, this is almost like a soft nerf. It is nice to hear that both of our planes got price cuts, but unfortunately no mention of the Stormraven which means it'll probably remain non-competitive. It's safe to assume that whichever Psychic Awakening book includes DA will give us Doctrines given that Blood Angels got them in theirs, so maybe, just maybe, DA will be fairly strong in the future.

We'll find out soon enough, DAs are in the next book. More apparently teased on Xmas day.

The points drop across the board has helped my 2k list out quite a bit. I will be playtesting it sometime soon.

I'm very much hoping there is an updated primaris Azrael - his model is in dire need of an update, his model was what mid-90's?

I think a Primaris Azrael would be awesome for sure, together with asmodai and Ezekiel.

Would be awesome to have the psychic awakening awaken something - or a certain somebody - aswell.
It certainly is time for another primarch to appear.

I agree with that notion. It would be epic to see the Lion return.

I am wondering what cool thing we are going to get where it relates to Combat Doctrines. I can guess that Ravenwing and Deathwing are going to love the Tactical Doctrine based on their loadouts.

I want us to have some unique Litanies and Psychic Powers though.

Any thoughts on what the new Powers and Litanies might be?

 Reivax26 wrote:
I am wondering what cool thing we are going to get where it relates to Combat Doctrines. I can guess that Ravenwing and Deathwing are going to love the Tactical Doctrine based on their loadouts.

I want us to have some unique Litanies and Psychic Powers though.

Any thoughts on what the new Powers and Litanies might be?

We might not get new Psychic powers, Blood Angels did not get access to any new ones.

They did get a Chapter specific Litany along with the new range of litanies, so I would expect that as well. Potentially Interrogator-Chaplains might get access to a different list of litanies, much like how BT get an extra set of them in lieu of psychic powers.

My big question is if our Chapter Tactic is going to get revisited. Technically we already have a "double" chapter tactic (reroll 1's to hit when not moving and only lose 1 model to morale) but both of these two are pretty weak. Hopefully they will get improved. I'm also wondering if the PA book extended chapter tactics for Blood Angels to the rest of their range or if it is still only for Dreadnoughts, Bikers, and Infantry. No one is talking about it because the BA tactic is not very useful for vehicles, though it would affect if the Invictor suit gets the tactic.

My guess is that we will get an enhanced Devastator Doctrine, since GW seems to think that we are mostly a gunline army, and that SW will get an enhanced Tactical Doctrine, rounding out one of each doctrine for the three non-codex chapters, but that is just a wild guess. I would love it if RW and DW got different enhanced doctrines than greenwing, since that could allow us to make some cool multi-purpose lists or dedicated board control or combat lists.

I'm hoping that we get sort of three "mini" super doctrines.

Buff Ravenwing in devastator, buff Greenwing in tactical, and buff Deathwing in Assault.

DA in general should keep Grim Resolve as-is.

Maybe Ravenwing ignores the penalty to move and shoot heavy in devastator or can advance and treat all weapons as assault.

In Tactical doctrine Greenwing should get re-roll 1's even if they move and either make plasma safe or give plasma +1AP or +1D and then re-work weapons of the dark age to do the opposite of what the Tactical buff gives.

Assault doctrine should give Deathwing the ability to advance and charge or maybe to deepstrike at 7" or 8" away instead of 9". Or perhaps a bonus attack or something would be more in-line with what the other supplements are getting.

Having three different mini super doctrines gives players choices for what they want to focus on and makes it so there are tradeoffs on whether or not you want to advance between doctrines.

I want a Ravenwing unit to be able to flank and come in from any table edge.

Or a stratagem that allows terminator units to drop within 6 ignoring enemy units 9 inch bubble

Slaul wrote:
I'm hoping that we get sort of three "mini" super doctrines.

Buff Ravenwing in devastator, buff Greenwing in tactical, and buff Deathwing in Assault.

???
Ravenwing uses Rapid Fire much more than Heavy. I hope Greenwing gets Devastator buff, not Ravenwing.

Agreed. Ravenwing and Deathwing should get the Tactical buff. Greenwing gets Devastator and then Deathwing Knights and Assault Squads get Assault buff.

It might actually make people think about running an Assault squad. I am currently putting together my own version of the Azrael castle formation and it's going to have an Assault squad as a counter charge unit/objective grabber.

 Vector Strike wrote:

Slaul wrote:
I'm hoping that we get sort of three "mini" super doctrines.

Buff Ravenwing in devastator, buff Greenwing in tactical, and buff Deathwing in Assault.

???
Ravenwing uses Rapid Fire much more than Heavy. I hope Greenwing gets Devastator buff, not Ravenwing.

The idea was to provide more options to Dark Angels. Sure Ravenwing uses more Rapid Fire now, partly because hitting on 4 or 5's after moving sucks and isn't worth it.

If Ravenwing ignored the penalty to move and shoot heavy for example you might see more land speeders get used. I'd love to put together a bunch of landspeeders but its just not worth it right now.

What I'm most worried that DA will get with the new supplement is just a "buff" to the Azrael gunline build that GW keeps trying to force on DA. It's not that good. DA needs options for other builds, not buffs to a bad build.

Did the talon master go down in points at all?

Jimbobbyish wrote:
Did the talon master go down in points at all?

No, still the same

Opinion question:

Which is better the Leviathan Dread or the Sicaran tank? Specifically the Venator variant that destroys tanks.

What are Dark Angels best options against Craftworld Eldar flier/psyker heavy lists? I've been pondering list options, but that seems a tough matchup for us.

I have had the most success killing fliers with repulsor executioners with heavy laser destroyer.

As long as you have a full reroll aura a repulsor executioner should more or less knock down a flier a turn.

Deredeo Dreadnought with the Autocannon battery can wreck flyers. If you don't move you hit on a 2+, with a +1 to hit flyers.

8 str8 shots that deal 2 damage each

 Reivax26 wrote:
Opinion question:

Which is better the Leviathan Dread or the Sicaran tank? Specifically the Venator variant that destroys tanks.

Leviathan with Storm Cannons all day every day. 20 S7 AP-2 D2 shots is good against a lot of targets, especially with reroll buffs like Lieutenants and Azrael (if you sit still you don't even need Azrael). Range can be an issue, though.