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So with the news of 9th edition coming soon, what's on your wishlist in terms of things that could be reasonably tweaked to keep us on par with our vanilla cousins?

I never actually got my purchases made or games played due to Covid so I don't have any practical knowledge of my own to contribute.

Primaris bikes are a thing, hopefully we'll get a unique ravenwing unit

Deathwing and Ravenwing are CP hungry - it looks like the new CP system will make an all Deathwing/Ravenwing force at least thinkable in terms of CP. Agree that being able to put Black Knights in Reserve and come on the table edges could be useful.

 Repent wrote:
Primaris bikes are a thing, hopefully we'll get a unique ravenwing unit

I'd settle for the Primaris bikes in a Dark Angels army getting the Ravenwing keyword.

Any chance the new blast weapon changes makes it possible that we see a Land Speeder Vengeance on the table once in a blue moon?

 TheNightWillEnd wrote:
Any chance the new blast weapon changes makes it possible that we see a Land Speeder Vengeance on the table once in a blue moon?

Ha! I'd forgotten about those things ,

Combined with it now being able to move and fire without penalty its a possibility at least? I know I'm definitely interested in the spotter Landspeeder and whirlwind combo now too.

I think we are almost certainly going to see more typhoons flying about for a start. Maybe, just maybe, even speeders with multimeltas and hvy flamers!! OG marine loadlouts for the win!!

I am more interested in the fact that vehicles and dreadnoughts can move and fire with no penalty.

I immediately thought of Nephilim Jetfighters and Dark Talons. They both just got way better. Hitting on 2s as long as they are shooting something on the ground with their possible loadouts is ridiculous.

And with the new flyer rules they just previewed today, if one flies off the table it can come in anywhere on the board more than 9" from an enemy next turn, so easy to set up a perfect firing solution!

The Sammael Speeder deathball is simpler now - no need to burn a Warlord trait on a Talonmaster to avoid the moving and shooting penalty. Maybe Nephilims will see more action now? I am excited about Dreadnoughts, but I guess they aren't just a DA thing...

One of the announcers on the stream, which iirc is a designer on the game, mentioned repeatedly that the bikes are Ravenwing, and It looks like there are Ravenwing and Deathwing symbols on the transfer sheet.

If the bikes get the Ravenwing keyword, and if the shield guys and the Ancient get the Deathwing keyword for the 5+++ banner (and especially if they have storm shields and not some other nonsense "primaris shield" for the -1 to wound strat) some very strong combos will open up.

The Dark Talon Was not in the aircraft list - a mistake?

Aeri wrote:
The Dark Talon Was not in the aircraft list - a mistake?

It was definitely there. Listed as the Ravenwing Dark Talon.

Oh right.
Still weird for me that the nephilim has no Ravenwing in its name

 TheNightWillEnd wrote:
Any chance the new blast weapon changes makes it possible that we see a Land Speeder Vengeance on the table once in a blue moon?

I don't think the Blast rule will help. If you're firing at hordes with the plasma weapon, things are not well. I also don't expect many people will be running 6-10 models of elite things, For example, in my harlequins, skyweavers will be capped at 5, same with Aggressors I expect. Why take the extra dude to improve enemy shooting at you?

Question does come up for Hellblasters though....although I think the 10 man hellblaster castle is a dead end build anyway. 5 man in Impulsors probably better.

Welp, so the last community post suggested converting the new primaris outrider models with RW wings to fit DA, which would suggest to me that we're not going to see chapter-specific primaris stuff, including bikes, for a while.

How many of you are going to be ripping the hussar wings off of your RW bikes and pinning on these new dudes?

 TheNightWillEnd wrote:
Welp, so the last community post suggested converting the new primaris outrider models with RW wings to fit DA, which would suggest to me that we're not going to see chapter-specific primaris stuff, including bikes, for a while.

How many of you are going to be ripping the hussar wings off of your RW bikes and pinning on these new dudes?

I'm pretty sure I have enough RW decorations to spruce them up. Thinking beakie helms too, and probably cutting up shoulder pads and replacing with RW ones.

WH Community site has new the Primaris Bladeguard models painted up in Deathwing livery. Not the same as rules, but perhaps an indication of an expanded Deathwing moving forward.

Where did you see that?

well, today they confirmed that the Bladeguard are in the 1st company, so Deathwing keyword should get attached. It does mean that they will get the benefit of the deathwing relic banner though.

 bullyboy wrote:
well, today they confirmed that the Bladeguard are in the 1st company, so Deathwing keyword should get attached. It does mean that they will get the benefit of the Deathwing relic banner though.

I see positives and negative to this from a fluff point of view (yes i know this is a tactica thread, please be kind I'll get there eventually)

First off, its always welcome to see an expansion of the 1st company's ranks, however, one of the major draws of the Dark Angels is that we have always been able to field our ENTIRE 1st company in Terminator Armour because we have more of them in working order than any other chapter. Now if this gets expanded to Terminator and GRAVIS armourd units then I'll be a happy bunny. perhaps the Bladeguard in Dark Angels armies could be utilized in the same manner that we get company veterans? After all, one of the big draws to the Sons of the Lion is that we are almost But Not Quite a codex chapter. I am thinking they will take the approach that we already have Deathwing keyworded characters running our companies why not a unit? This is entirely a headcannon thing though so...

Game wise? If those bikers do indeed get the Ravenwing keyword then holy moly thats going to be a big thing for us. While we don't know the full rules yet, stat wise those primaris bikers are absolutely nuts! Jink saves on a T5 4W model...yes please!!!

Having used DW knights quite a lot i know how nasty storm shield units can be with our new deathwing related strats, so from a gaming point of view..bring it on with the bladeguard!

May i also say that what with all the ornamentation and robes on these models, it will simply be a case of add a few spare DA bits and done!

I have played Deathwing since 2nd ed book, and deathwing/ravenwing since 4th, but I cant remember a time i thought this army set up could be as viable as it now seems.

On another note, looks like I may have to invest in a few more venerable dreadnoughts..........

Hey folks, as a last hurrah in 8th I wanted to run a Dark Angels list. I have never played them before, but wanted to give it a go. How viable does this look?

Aeri wrote:
Where did you see that?

Sorry - I am on my phone with a janky connection so I can’t seem to link. There is an article today on the Community Page (Jun 18)

weaver9 wrote:
Hey folks, as a last hurrah in 8th I wanted to run a Dark Angels list. I have never played them before, but wanted to give it a go. How viable does this look?

Spoiler:

Basically:

Azrael
Sammi in Sable

X3 Scouts

Talon master
black knights (9)
Black knights (9)
Landspeeder vengeance

Terminator librarian
Deathwing ancient
Deathwing knights (7)
Invictor

Most of it looks ok,but...

I can't see what Azrael is going to be doing in this list, his BIG thing is the 4+ invuln aura for infantry. The only units in your list that might get any use out of this is your scouts and as you'll probably be using them to forward deploy then they wont get any use out of it. Maybe reduce the 9 man RW knights to 6 man and put in some intercessors (or better yet hellblasters) for him to wander about with.

On that subject....Ravenwing knights are very dangerous and your opponent will know this. They tend to get focused down immediately. Keep the squads small enough to hide- 9 bikes have a huge footprint I'd recommend units of 3 min max 6. Big units sound fun but currently they are nowhere near survivable enough to justify and also possibly overkill depending on you're target. Also, multiple small units can threaten more areas of the board than 1 big one.

Do you have the vigilus book? if yes, put all your ravenwing in the specialist detachment...its very very good.

Landspeeder vengeances are (at least in 8th rules) damn near useless unfortunately.

What i can see from this list is too many points on black knights, not enough units.
My advice? swap out Azrael and the vengeance for more terminators or bikers ( I play dw/rw and know the temptation to field max size units well).

Hope this helps a bit.

I am thinking that 9th is going to rock for us. Flanking Black Knights could be a good deterrent for how opponents deploy in the beginning of the game.

princeyg wrote:

 TheNightWillEnd wrote:
Any chance the new blast weapon changes makes it possible that we see a Land Speeder Vengeance on the table once in a blue moon?

Ha! I'd forgotten about those things ,

Combined with it now being able to move and fire without penalty its a possibility at least? I know I'm definitely interested in the spotter Landspeeder and whirlwind combo now too.

I think we are almost certainly going to see more typhoons flying about for a start. Maybe, just maybe, even speeders with multimeltas and hvy flamers!! OG marine loadlouts for the win!!

The speeder/WW Combo has been written out of the new SM codex, if you’re thinking about investing in minis specifically to use the strat bear in mind it’s days are possibly numbered

So, the Dark Angels Faction Focus article is up. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/03/faction-focus-dark-angels/

No rules glimpses, since I guess that cat is well and truly out of the bag...The article doesn't really tell us very much, was hoping they might talk about Storm Shields when they show the Deathwing Knights but they just showed the weapons. At the very bottom, however, they do confirm that the new Outriders will get the Ravenwing keyword and Bladeguard Veterans will get the Deathwing keyword. I imagine that there will be a Dark Angels "FAQ" on day one that gives a rundown of how the new units interact with us.

Any thoughts on how the new edition will treat our army? Character-heavy lists face issues with CPs in the new edition so the Sammael/Talonmaster deathball is a major investment in HQ slots. On the other hand, our Landspeeders moving and shooting without penalty will be nice.

I kind of hoped that that it would be Gravis troops that get into the Deathwing, and the power amour lot would be company veterans

This still works for me

Anyone else digging the bike chaplain?

I am going to assume DA get all the new SM toys in 9th?

Those ATV thingies I think look good too. DW/RW is going to be fun times in 9th I think.

Single Battalion should work decent for us still. 3 HQ slots gives us room for Sammy and 2 Talonmasters. We'll see how the points look though. It'll be interesting to see how well the new Outriders do in a DA list. Having the Ravenwing keyword opens up several strats including Speed of the Raven and the one that lets us drop Deathwing close to the enemy.

On the Deathwing side, the Bladeguard Veterans will be decent with a Deathwing Ancient holding the relic banner nearby, as they'll then get a 5+++ on top of their other saves.

Overall, the thing I'm actually looking forward to the most will be painting the new models in DA colors, as they are awesome!

The Relic Shields they are carrying already give them a 4 up FNP from what I understand. So around Azrael is where they get crazy.