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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why does everyone get a rage on about primarch helmets? They're supposed to be centre piece models.

Rule of cool?

the rule of cool clearly states that wearing helmets is not cool. if you want an example then EVERY holly wood action move.

And then you see that scene in Saving Private Ryan where he takes helmet off to admire the bullet hole in it, and gets shot in the head.

there are exceptions... I'm a military man, When I'm on exercise or on ops I will be wearing my helmet. however. as a painter, the primarch models have gotta be unhelmed. its about the character.

I think wearing helmets are cool

Im surprised to see that so many people actually like that 40k roboute, I think it looks terrible and goes perfectly with the cartoon like kiddies story line that came with it !

 Rayvon wrote:
Im surprised to see that so many people actually like that 40k roboute, I think it looks terrible and goes perfectly with the cartoon like kiddies story line that came with it !

I think it is not bad model per se, but it is a bad 40K model. It just looks bizarre next to the other models, it looks like it is in the wrong scale. I guess it would be a great stating point for a cool daemon prince conversion though...

 Crimson wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Im surprised to see that so many people actually like that 40k roboute, I think it looks terrible and goes perfectly with the cartoon like kiddies story line that came with it !

I think it is not bad model per se, but it is a bad 40K model. It just looks bizarre next to the other models, it looks like it is in the wrong scale. I guess it would be a great stating point for a cool daemon prince conversion though...

I just don't think it conveys anything about his character, and despite what people have said here, the proportions are awful, the ornamentation is too cluttered, his pose is weird, and the fire sword just looks stupid.

Sure the FW scaling isn't perfect but its a lot better, and at least it looks like a regal, Romanesque character, like how Guilliman should be.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
the rule of cool clearly states that wearing helmets is not cool. if you want an example then EVERY holly wood action move.

That's just actors not wanting their face to be covered. And that's only getting worse (see the Mighty Morphin' Nano-Helmets in Black Panther and Infinity War).

Looks like Forgeworld have been fiddling with their site:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000

Annoyingly, you can't filter by faction anymore.

You can for HH and AoS. What an odd change. Can't be intentional.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You can for HH and AoS. What an odd change. Can't be intentional.

Hoping so and not a precursor to another round of Last Change to Buy. It's usually around this time that they start retiring items.

 Platuan4th wrote:


Wow, Sanguinius' pose looks even more awkward and silly from head on. He goes from surfer dude to lord of the dance.

Is that because it's missing the other half to give context?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:
I feel like Primarchs are display models that happen to come with rules. None of them are really well suited to battlefield use, even the ones with basic poses (like Lorgar or Horus).

I have to disagree with that, plenty of them look fine in their gaming base, they aren't even Contemptor big:


Its mostly the flying/jumping ones that look silly on the table

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YMMV; Alpharius is the only one whose base won't look too stupid on a gaming table, and even there, the rubble hangs over the edge of the 40mm base. To use them "properly" as gaming pieces, all those bits of "tactical scenery" need to go, IMO.

 Red_Five wrote:

The models are difficult to reasonably hide thanks to how much taller primarchs are (compared to normal marines) and the fact that they are all on raised platforms. Also, Russ hangs over the edge of his base by quite a bit, which is a real pet peeve of mine (not everyone finds this annoying but I certainly do). Alpharius is probably the best of the bunch but, let us be honest here, his base is also super forgettable and boring. I will grant you, they are WAY better as usable models than something like Cruz or Fulgrim but they are not really ideal either.

Give and take, I suppose.

If you don't like 'em you don't like 'em.

However they should be much taller than normal marines as they are so in the fluff and in the rules they are bulky, think Castellax in size. If a bulky model was the same height and width as a normal marine I'd be complaining. They are also going to be eye catching on the battlefield in the fluff (baring Corax or Curze being stealthy) so that they can be seen would reflect their priority target nature in the fluff. The jumping/flying/giant gaming base ones are terrible though, they make the model taller than just about everything else on the table.

The base underneath is accessible for all Primarchs that I have seen, so you can always measure them to/from the actual base size. As for the small base topper for the gaming base boring, super hard to put an actual interesting base into that small a plastic base that works with the larger scenery base as detachable and keep it interesting as a base in itself. Personally as long as the scenic base is good I'm not bothered about the gaming base outside of disliking the flying/jumping ones I've seen so far.

You always have the option of putting them on a normal base without their scenery if the cm or so of extra height bothers you that much.

It's not the height, as such - it's wondering why Leman Russ is carrying that one bit of rubble around an otherwise empty battlefield with him.

The ever-increasing size of Primarchs makes things like the Talon of Horus, Wolf Helm of Russ and the Lion Helm (and other Relics that are bits of Primarchs' armour or weapons) increasingly ridiculous.

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like Forgeworld have been fiddling with their site:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000

Annoyingly, you can't filter by faction anymore.

Armies of imperium->grey knights. Works for me

tneva82 wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like Forgeworld have been fiddling with their site:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000

Annoyingly, you can't filter by faction anymore.

Armies of imperium->grey knights. Works for me

Looks like they were updating their site as that wasn't visible earlier

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's not the height, as such - it's wondering why Leman Russ is carrying that one bit of rubble around an otherwise empty battlefield with him.

The ever-increasing size of Primarchs makes things like the Talon of Horus, Wolf Helm of Russ and the Lion Helm (and other Relics that are bits of Primarchs' armour or weapons) increasingly ridiculous.

But that applies to just about all fancy bases, even 3rd party ones. Very easy to just stick your primarch on a normal base if it bothers you that much.

Wasn't Horus one of the very first Primarch to be released? So its not weapon size creep but more to do with GW's Abaddon model. I'd be more bothered that his armour makes him look like a giant egg, just make sure he doesn't sit on any walls.

Kal Jericho and Scabbs, I heard the name before, but haven't read the novels

Originally a comic book character and I am in minority here, but was never a fan of either the comic or the novels.

Or the hairstyle...

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's not the height, as such - it's wondering why Leman Russ is carrying that one bit of rubble around an otherwise empty battlefield with him.

The ever-increasing size of Primarchs makes things like the Talon of Horus, Wolf Helm of Russ and the Lion Helm (and other Relics that are bits of Primarchs' armour or weapons) increasingly ridiculous.

Why make a scenic base for anything then?

 BrookM wrote:
Blood Bowl Nurgle Rotspawn (€25,-) https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Nurgle-Rotspawn-2019

This is kinda what happens when someone offers to hook you up with their "cute" friend.

Well I’d never looked at Guilliman in so much detail till this thread..

I’d say 40k, now I’ve noticed the legs, yeah hard to unsee them.
Heads are both ok, yeah perhaps small.

With helmets on. They both look a lot better.
(And 40k’s armour, well I’ve seen a few where it’s not painted like GW’s one and it really helps the model.
There’s an all good one, a dark deep wash one over those colours, and I think I saw a mostly blue one.
It's the ornate gilding on him that’s so bright in the new armour, I think that makes him just look too busy..)

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why does everyone get a rage on about primarch helmets? They're supposed to be centre piece models.

Rule of cool?

the rule of cool clearly states that wearing helmets is not cool. if you want an example then EVERY holly wood action move.

Judge Dredd is cooler than most action movie heroes.

 Moopy wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:


Wow, Sanguinius' pose looks even more awkward and silly from head on. He goes from surfer dude to lord of the dance.

Is that because it's missing the other half to give context?

If the model's pose requires a non-functional display base to not look dumb, then maybe it should have a different pose. If I wanted a statue diorama, I'd buy one I didn't need to paint myself.

Yep, that's a damn tragedy with regard to that model. Completely sacrificed the gaming miniature to make half of an art piece...really ignorant in my opinion.

Hmm is it true that you wont be able to get sanguinius scenic base on the webstore?

edit: Never mind, you can for a limited time its said on Warhammer community.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Moopy wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:


Wow, Sanguinius' pose looks even more awkward and silly from head on. He goes from surfer dude to lord of the dance.

Is that because it's missing the other half to give context?

If the model's pose requires a non-functional display base to not look dumb, then maybe it should have a different pose. If I wanted a statue diorama, I'd buy one I didn't need to paint myself.

Its definitely more of an art piece. which is great for me, as I like to paint pieces of art for my home. I could see how that could be annoying for gamers, but surely its not that big a deal? I mean, with his elevated position, once he gets into melee combat it will look like he's coming down on his opponent?


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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Why does everyone get a rage on about primarch helmets? They're supposed to be centre piece models.

Rule of cool?

the rule of cool clearly states that wearing helmets is not cool. if you want an example then EVERY holly wood action move.

Judge Dredd is cooler than most action movie heroes.

true, but his lid is more for creating the sense of cold detachment than protection. The faceless embodiment of justice..his face isnt the character, unlike the primarchs.

think he looks epic. They all do aaprt form world bearers primarch who looks like a chum and horus is a bit less tocky than ive come to expect from old artwork. Still. Id happily buy them all if I had the money to paint over the years.

Agreed, but I like Lorgar. the only ones I don't really like are Corax and Fulgrim. Guilliman is cool but I dont like ultras so I wont ever paint him.