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Kijamon wrote:
The terminators DO have fixed grips. They lack all detail but there are grips now. I believe the praetor is fixed too.

I cannot see how they fixed the preator in the time they had.

He needed a new pose, no tentacle fur as well as other smaller fixes.

Such a disappointing release. I’ve had am Space Wolves Legion Force for many years, started before there were even HH resin kits. I retooled then before Inferno and was excited the Rout would be getting rules. Then they took their sweet time releasing the units and we get this?

The Terminators are horrible. The fur is a joke, and it looks like they’re disembodied heads attached to the armor with all those weird tubes around them.

And the upside down bolters for the Grey Slayer kits is just lazy and continuing to defend it as intended is a joke.

And there’s still no hints of the Deathsworn. Now I’m glad I converted my own with good third party bits. Looks like I’ll be doing the same with the Wolf Guard. If I ever field them, their rules are even sub par.

And what is the deal with all the hoses going into the Custodes’ faces? It makes no sense and doesn’t fit with their aesthetic.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Take a quick look at the front of these bolt pistols (and yes they are pistols, not guns, despite their length).

Spoiler:

EDIT: image was a bit larger than I expected

What annoys me most is the FB team apparently is defending this instead of FW and co owning up to the mess up and re-doing it. No one likes to take a loss, but this is the worst kind of policy. To be real, what would it even take to fix? It is just one mold that needs redesign (for this, not the rest of the bad sculpting), why not just do it?

I am just perplexed at this.

I’m continually baffled as to how they cocked up those bolters. Surely anyone working for GW, especially FW (all marines all the time) knows what a bolter looks like?

Do you really think that was accidental? I'd put decent money on it being a deliberate design decision. You may not like it, but I don't think it was a mistake.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Do you really think that was accidental? I'd put decent money on it being a deliberate design decision. You may not like it, but I don't think it was a mistake.

Absolutely a mistake. Either in doing the sculpt the re-used bolter was flipped or in CAD it was the same issue (flipped) and no one noticed until post-production of more runs than they are willing to re-do for the sake of fluff (vs profit). I say this because it is the first time, to my knowledge, that GW has ever had a bolter look like this in the very long lineage of bolters. And it isn't addressed as a "new" or "variant" bolter that I have heard. Plus, given what the parts are, it doesn't make any sense at all (sights on bottom?!).

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Do you really think that was accidental? I'd put decent money on it being a deliberate design decision. You may not like it, but I don't think it was a mistake.

Yes, it is absolutely a mistake.

Unless you're being sarcastic?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Do you really think that was accidental? I'd put decent money on it being a deliberate design decision. You may not like it, but I don't think it was a mistake.

Plus, given what the parts are, it doesn't make any sense at all (sights on bottom?!).

To be fair, if we're looking at it from a sense angle, why are super humans with all sorts of tracking and ocular augmentation technologies at their disposal, using iron sights?

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Do you really think that was accidental? I'd put decent money on it being a deliberate design decision. You may not like it, but I don't think it was a mistake.

Plus, given what the parts are, it doesn't make any sense at all (sights on bottom?!).

To be fair, if we're looking at it from a sense angle, why are super humans with all sorts of tracking and ocular augmentation technologies at their disposal, using iron sights?

Because batteries die and iron sights are always there.

I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the barrels are flipped on those bolsters too. The connection for the bayonet is on the top.

Its been pointed out pages ago.

Upside down bolters is the reason why SpaceMutts are so close combat oriented

 Theophony wrote:
Upside down bolters is the reason why SpaceMutts are so close combat oriented

They skip marksmanship training in favor of animal husbandry classes for when they inevitable have to babysit the Thunderwolves.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Upside down bolters is the reason why SpaceMutts are so close combat oriented

They skip marksmanship training in favor of animal husbandry classes for when they inevitable have to babysit the Thunderwolves.

Doesn't surprise me. One minute, they're using sretlob pattern bolters and the next they've got a santa sleigh.

There’s a few things that indicate to me the thing at the end of the Bolter is NOT a front sight post.

No rear sight aperture
Power armorwould make it difficult/impossible to use iron sites
The thing is present on like every Bolter, including Vehicle mounted Bolters where iron sights couldn’t be used.

I’ve never seen any indicator other than a superficial aesthetic similarity, that Bolters even had iron sights. That said I agree I don’t really like the look of the new SW Bolters but I don’t quite understand the rage.

Wow that’s a lot of iron sites. I should queue up some more builders to mine them properly.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Wow that’s a lot of iron sites. I should queue up some more builders to mine them properly.

Noted. It was very lazy of me.

For me what makes it most jarring (jarring is perhaps much stronger of a term than I am looking for) is not that the "Laser Targeter" is on the bottom of the weapon, but the fact that the bayonet mount is on top of the weapon. When paired together it just makes it look like a rather large mistake on the designer's part rather than something that was planned.

Queue the "How many Space Wolves does it take to screw in a bayonet?" jokes. It's open season folks, pile on.

Let's not and say you did (over in the off topic forum instead)...

Indeed, maybe we should drop the questionably designed Phobos pattern bolt pistol issue for now and revisit it once there is either a fix for it or a more proper reply on the matter.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
When paired together it just makes it look like a rather large mistake on the designer's part rather than something that was planned.

Probably because it is.

I think since they've show them painted they're not going to bother fixing them

perhaps it's going to become an example of what happens if the Mechanicum is allowed to pursue new technology instead of just repeating the old

 Fenris-77 wrote:
Queue the "How many Space Wolves does it take to screw in a bayonet?" jokes. It's open season folks, pile on.

None we have axes!

 BrookM wrote:
Indeed, maybe we should drop the questionably designed Phobos pattern bolt pistol issue for now and revisit it once there is either a fix for it or a more proper reply on the matter.

Sounds like a great idea - let's all do that.

Hey, those fancy Custodes melta/laser spears go on sale this Friday.

Been waiting for those for a while!

 Alpharius wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Indeed, maybe we should drop the questionably designed Phobos pattern bolt pistol issue for now and revisit it once there is either a fix for it or a more proper reply on the matter.

Sounds like a great idea - let's all do that.

OK, then.

Eh, to play devil's advocate - flipped bolters aside, vast majority of issues on these SW terminators can be found on other FW Terminator kits. The salamander one, for example, is almost as bad, yet you don't see people pouring vitriol on it. This is why I was always puzzled when people praised FW offerings, by the way, and wondering if people saying that aren't suffering from some sort of strange buyer remorse. In 9/10 cases when GW offers similar product as FW, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Custodes, name it, GW product is superior in looks, design, and most importantly, ease of getting it from sprue to converted and painted model. Even generic models, like Mk IV plate and Tartaros termies look much better in plastic, IMO, and while there are some really nice FW kits (Gorgons or Phoenix, for example) most of it is really fringe stuff and I am strangely sure it would look better if GW made it as plastic kit...

 Irbis wrote:
Eh, to play devil's advocate - flipped bolters aside, vast majority of issues on these SW terminators can be found on other FW Terminator kits. The salamander one, for example, is almost as bad, yet you don't see people pouring vitriol on it. This is why I was always puzzled when people praised FW offerings, by the way, and wondering if people saying that aren't suffering from some sort of strange buyer remorse. In 9/10 cases when GW offers similar product as FW, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Custodes, name it, GW product is superior in looks, design, and most importantly, ease of getting it from sprue to converted and painted model. Even generic models, like Mk IV plate and Tartaros termies look much better in plastic, IMO, and while there are some really nice FW kits (Gorgons or Phoenix, for example) most of it is really fringe stuff and I am strangely sure it would look better if GW made it as plastic kit...

Disagree on the Salamanders, the Firedrakes look considerably better than the Space Wolves termies.

Other than the mistakes on the bolters it's the awful fur that puts these spacewolves into the 'don't even think of buying' category

the other stuff you mentioned is more a matter of taste, you make not like or be excited by them but they're not actually poor quality work