Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours-BA Dawnbreakers Pg 163

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**Racerguy180**

Imateria wrote:
Irbis wrote:
Eh, to play devil's advocate - flipped bolters aside, vast majority of issues on these SW terminators can be found on other FW Terminator kits. The salamander one, for example, is almost as bad, yet you don't see people pouring vitriol on it. This is why I was always puzzled when people praised FW offerings, by the way, and wondering if people saying that aren't suffering from some sort of strange buyer remorse. In 9/10 cases when GW offers similar product as FW, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Custodes, name it, GW product is superior in looks, design, and most importantly, ease of getting it from sprue to converted and painted model. Even generic models, like Mk IV plate and Tartaros termies look much better in plastic, IMO, and while there are some really nice FW kits (Gorgons or Phoenix, for example) most of it is really fringe stuff and I am strangely sure it would look better if GW made it as plastic kit...

Disagree on the Salamanders, the Firedrakes look considerably better than the Space Wolves termies.

I really like both the firedrakes and pyroclasts. the SW termies look weird, the fur and masks look totally out of place. I get where they were trying to go with them but.....kinda lacking in their execution.

**Commander Cain**

Irbis wrote:
Eh, to play devil's advocate - flipped bolters aside, vast majority of issues on these SW terminators can be found on other FW Terminator kits. The salamander one, for example, is almost as bad, yet you don't see people pouring vitriol on it. This is why I was always puzzled when people praised FW offerings, by the way, and wondering if people saying that aren't suffering from some sort of strange buyer remorse. In 9/10 cases when GW offers similar product as FW, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Custodes, name it, GW product is superior in looks, design, and most importantly, ease of getting it from sprue to converted and painted model. Even generic models, like Mk IV plate and Tartaros termies look much better in plastic, IMO, and while there are some really nice FW kits (Gorgons or Phoenix, for example) most of it is really fringe stuff and I am strangely sure it would look better if GW made it as plastic kit...

I have to admit you are right in a sense, I didn't bother much of the TSons stuff from FW just because the GW plastics that came just before it were so much better and easier to build.

Space wolves are just easy to make fun of because they are the victim of so many bad design choices be it in plastic or resin. Imo the last really good SW sculpt was this guy

Spoiler:

Don't forget though that without Forgeworld we would never have gotten modern sculpts for the old marks of armour or any HH stuff at all for that matter...

**zedmeister**

I dunno, Geigor Fell-Hand was an excellent sculpt I felt:

Spoiler:

**hordrak**

If it wasn't for the bolters the Grey Slayers would actualy be a nice kit. Not a fan of bare heads, but that's a matter of taste, you can just leave the MK3 helmets on most models.
The thing I don't get with Varagir Termies - Sekhmet were made as an upgrade pack, so why didn't they just do the same wit the Wolves. It would have generated much less hate.

**kronk**

Got my Dorn today!!

**H.B.M.C.**

Worth the wait I hope.

**warboss**

kronk wrote:
Got my Dorn today!!

Spoiler:

I feel like you should have lit the candle in honor of the Emperor and the Astronomicon in that pic.

Congrats though!

**Theophony**

kronk wrote:
Got my Dorn today!!

Spoiler:

Ha, the package for the base is bigger than the model. Totally expected, but once again another cost that could have been avoided

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**Tannhauser42**

I don't know, Kronk. I'm looking at the picture, and I think they sent you the wrong model. Looks like Alpharius to me.

I'm just waiting for the new Custodes stuff to come out, and then I can spend my tax refund.

**kronk**

The shoulder pads on this SOB are huge.

It's next in the que after my Custodes transport that I need for AdeptiCon.

**gorgon**

kronk wrote:
Got my Dorn today!!

Happy for you, man.

**H.B.M.C.**

Taps fingers impatiently.

C'mon. I want to put my order through...

**Crazyterran**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Taps fingers impatiently.

C'mon. I want to put my order through...

Ive never seen a custodes list with any of those included. Im kind of curious, now...

**H.B.M.C.**

They're on sale!!! Yay!!!

And so is Lord Headington, or the Legio Largecranii!

**CragHack**

Pre ordered all them spears and Headington

I failed to keep track though: are there any news regarding red book with Custodes rules inside? Battlescribe isjust so fething lame and 80 quid for big book seems to be too much.

**Clockpunk**

Damnation, another week without any Bloodbowl - here's hoping now all these HH Weekender things are 'out' we can get back to supporting other lines...

**H.B.M.C.**

Still desperately waiting on the Necromunda weapon sets as well. I've got a box of each gang just waiting for these things.

**tneva82**

Crazyterran wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Taps fingers impatiently.

C'mon. I want to put my order through...

Ive never seen a custodes list with any of those included. Im kind of curious, now...

Maybe because they haven't been available before and people were waiting for officials previewed rather than convert their own?

Seeing there's not much basic squads can do against tanks than these can see them being popular. Well the sword squads at least have uber powerfist. Which is next kit to wait for! Otherwise simple contemptator dreadnought will munch through without much opposition.

**zedmeister**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still desperately waiting on the Necromunda weapon sets as well. I've got a box of each gang just waiting for these things.

Just to bugger you up, expect the weapon upgrades to come with mandatory plastic gang box!

**H.B.M.C.**

Ha! That'd be a laugh.

Honestly though I think each set has more weapons that you can realistically put on 10 guys, so I'll end up getting a third box of each anyway.

**Peregrine**

Just out of curiosity, anyone know if the spears are compatible with other space marine chapters? Counts-as power spears? Or are they limited to gold marines?

**Apower101**

Peregrine wrote:
Just out of curiosity, anyone know if the spears are compatible with other space marine chapters? Counts-as power spears? Or are they limited to gold marines?

I wouldn't think that anyone would mind, although they are technically supposed to be unique to the Custodes. You might want to do something about the bolter/weapon attached, or just give the guy a normal bolter/combi weapon of the type that is shown in case of wysiwyg shenanigans.

**Crazyterran**

If you only used a few you could say they were awarded to the parent legion as gifts for a great deed done for the Custodes and then handed down to the chapter. Dont watch captains for Deathwatch use them?

**tneva82**

Rulewise they are power weapons. Wether they fit marine models without reposing arms is another thing. Custodians are bigger than marines so maybe arms don't line up

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Peregrine wrote:
Just out of curiosity, anyone know if the spears are compatible with other space marine chapters? Counts-as power spears? Or are they limited to gold marines?

For ‘counts as’, can’t really see a problem. Though the positioning of the hands on the hafts may well present a problem, as Custards are a fair bit bulkier than Maureens.

**Crimson**

tneva82 wrote:
Rulewise they are power weapons. Wether they fit marine models without reposing arms is another thing. Custodians are bigger than marines so maybe arms don't line up

They're same size as Primaris though.

**tneva82**

Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Rulewise they are power weapons. Wether they fit marine models without reposing arms is another thing. Custodians are bigger than marines so maybe arms don't line up

They're same size as Primaris though.

Whic/ incidentally means either primaris aren't true scale marines or custodes are now seriously undersized.

**em_en_oh_pee**

tneva82 wrote:
Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Rulewise they are power weapons. Wether they fit marine models without reposing arms is another thing. Custodians are bigger than marines so maybe arms don't line up

They're same size as Primaris though.

Whic/ incidentally means either primaris aren't true scale marines or custodes are now seriously undersized.

Size isn't everything.

**Crimson**

tneva82 wrote:

Whic/ incidentally means either primaris aren't true scale marines or custodes are now seriously undersized.

Nope. It just means Custodes are not bigger than the Primaris. Why is this a problem?

**tneva82**

Crimson wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

Whic/ incidentally means either primaris aren't true scale marines or custodes are now seriously undersized.

Nope. It just means Custodes are not bigger than the Primaris. Why is this a problem?

I didn't say true scale primaris did i? I said true scale marines which people use them also which is markedly wrong