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 ImAGeek wrote:

 Galas wrote:
They have said that, in the Custodes reveal, you'll be able to use FW 30k only custodes stuff soon. Maybe in that book they'll add too Adeptus Mechanicus rules for the 30k stuff to use in 40k.

Fires of Cyraxis is the book that will let AdMech stuff be used in 40k.

Maybe - maybe not - we will just have to wait and see.

The 'special' Primaries boxes are just a tiny upgrade sprue in with the existing primaris stuff. They weren't done 'instead' of anything, except maybe 2 different tiny upgrade sprues.

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Galas wrote:
They have said that, in the Custodes reveal, you'll be able to use FW 30k only custodes stuff soon. Maybe in that book they'll add too Adeptus Mechanicus rules for the 30k stuff to use in 40k.

Fires of Cyraxis is the book that will let AdMech stuff be used in 40k.

Maybe - maybe not - we will just have to wait and see.

The 'special' Primaries boxes are just a tiny upgrade sprue in with the existing primaris stuff. They weren't done 'instead' of anything, except maybe 2 different tiny upgrade sprues.

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Fires of Cyraxis is the book that will let AdMech stuff be used in 40k.

Sure. When it finally will get released sometime during the 10th edition.

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'

Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'

Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.

Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'

Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.

Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.

Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Spoiler:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'

Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.

Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.

Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?

I don't think they necessarily saw power issues coming (I've not heard about storage issues - how can they simultaneously have issues producing stuff and storing stuff?).

 ironicsilence wrote:
Seems to be a lot of, for lack of a better word, hate for the custodes. Any background on that? I'm excited, and sad, they are getting a codex. I built a counts as grey knights custodes army in 6th edition using the Scribor Romans so will be cool to field them as a real army. However will be hard to resist the urge to build the army with all new models

Can you please share? I recently made a topic for posting my Scibor Custodes, would love if you show yours.
Scibor miniatures for custodians are so rare...

And I also played them as Grey Knights. Also used his servants miniatures for wyrdvane psykers in 7ed.

In 8ed I am going to field them as fluffy as possible along with Sisters of Silence.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Spoiler:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

It's not like they were sat in the studio going 'we can either make these boxes and some small upgrade sprues for chapter Primaries, or a transport for AdMech. Which shall we do?!'

Given that they have major power and storage problems and can't produce as much as they like of anything its still another thing to do - but its Marines so must be done.

Oh come on. These things are planned and designed well in advance.

Presumably like their power supply and storage facility?

I don't think they necessarily saw power issues coming (I've not heard about storage issues - how can they simultaneously have issues producing stuff and storing stuff?).

Because they can;t produce enough to refill the lines but at the same time the warehouse is full, this was a major problem over Christmas and lead up to it

they do have the issue of an ever expanding range - not just in the primary storage areas but in th e stores - hence my point about the boxes - thats 8 new boxes of Primaris that the manager has to find space for until they can sell them or send back after an appropriate period has elapsed - which is what my local says.

either way its less display space for non marines.

Going back to Custodes - I do like the Black and Gold ones more than the gold and red

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

And how marines got to this stage? By funny that selling more. It's not like GW decided originally "let's make only marines". It's what just customers wanted.

People want other stuff, vote with wallets and don't buy marines.

We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Which required 4 new boxes made, art work, warehous space shelf space etc etc etc for each of the two Chapters. All takes time, money and effort.

Lot less than completely new vehicle for faction that doesn\t sell as much as marines.

and round we go again on the same self fulffilling argument if you only make models for one faction - which faction sells.

And how marines got to this stage? By funny that selling more. It's not like GW decided originally "let's make only marines". It's what just customers wanted.

People want other stuff, vote with wallets and don't buy marines.

Yes, because as we all know, xenos, ig and admech players buy marines.
Marine players will always buy marines. And there happens to be more marine players than most. Saying "don't buy marines" is useless.
You know what would be useful? If GW promoted non-powered armor armies more than PA armies from time to time. Which they do, to be fair. Sandwiched between several PA armor releases.

 Arbitrator wrote:
We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.

But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines

 Skimask Mohawk wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.

But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines

To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time.
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Skimask Mohawk wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.

But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines

Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.

You could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle, except Sisters of Silence don't really look anything like Sisters of Battle at all, aside from being armored women. Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors have more in common with Sisters really.

I'd hate to see the two forces rolled into a single army. It makes no sense really. They aren't associated with each other and are operated by completely different branches of the Imperium. It would make way more sense to lump all Space Marines into one army.

It would also be pretty insulting. Even more insulting than when GW turned Sister of Battle into guest stars in their own army. Sisters of Battle have been waiting for a proper release for nearly 20 years.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You say unneeded, I say welcome.

All about personal taste really.

Still time we saw some Xenos love all the same.

Well past time. Ever since the GSC release there has been nothing but a seemingly endless tide of Power Armoured dudes of one description or another. We're all well aware that Marines are the poster boys and that Chaos are the favoured enemy but there's no excuse for excluding all other factions from getting releases in that time frame and it's increasingly alienating a proportion of the fandom.

 Imateria wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You say unneeded, I say welcome.

All about personal taste really.

Still time we saw some Xenos love all the same.

Well past time. Ever since the GSC release there has been nothing but a seemingly endless tide of Power Armoured dudes of one description or another. We're all well aware that Marines are the poster boys and that Chaos are the favoured enemy but there's no excuse for excluding all other factions from getting releases in that time frame and it's increasingly alienating a proportion of the fandom.

The thing that irks me about this release is that it doesn't cover the indexes evenly.
So far we've had

Space Marines - imp 1
Grey Knights - imp 1
CSM - chaos
Blood Angels - imp 1
Ad mech - imp 2
Imperial Guard - imp 2
CWE - xeno 1
Tyranids - xeno 2
Death Guard - chaos
Demons - chaos
Custodes - imp 2
thousand sons - chaos

That's 5 imperial 1 codices, 4 chaos codices, 3 imperial 2 codices, 1 xenos 1 codice and 1 xenos 2 codice.
That means that xenos 1 and 2 are 2-4 codices behind everyone else. That's a bit of a discrepancy.

Did we get any kind of release date for this stuff?

Because don't forget we had Death Guard previewed quite far in advance of their release. Who's to say that 1k Sons and Custodes are actually happening before anything more?

We know that Necrons, Daemons, and Tau didn't get points adjustments in CA and Daemons went up for preorder today.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did we get any kind of release date for this stuff?

Because don't forget we had Death Guard previewed quite far in advance of their release. Who's to say that 1k Sons and Custodes are actually happening before anything more?

We know that Necrons, Daemons, and Tau didn't get points adjustments in CA and Daemons went up for preorder today.

The hint for feb WD is ‘whole lotta gold’ so I’d say the Custodes are probably Feb.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

That's 5 imperial 1 codices, 4 chaos codices, 3 imperial 2 codices, 1 xenos 1 codice and 1 xenos 2 codice.
That means that xenos 1 and 2 are 2-4 codices behind everyone else. That's a bit of a discrepancy.

Well, to be fair, they are filthy Xenos.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Skimask Mohawk wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.

But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines

To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time.
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.

If different T is enough to make them non-marines then custodians are T5

Well. Not that I'm disagreeing per se. I wouldn't mind seeing SoB either just to see them done right even though I have no need for them.

Ah well. Anyway Imperial codexes are running short so aliens are going to be in quick cluster then to get all codexes out as per GW saying they would. Order is not one I would make but it is what it is.

tneva82 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Skimask Mohawk wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
We could've had Sisters over yet more Not!SpaceMarines. Sad.

But they have power armour too, so theyre also just marines

To be fair, they are T3, all female (as opposed to marines being all male) and they've been waiting for a plastic release for a very long time.
Though I suppose one could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle.
Hmm I wonder if GW will combine the two into a single army. Their fields of expertise do overlap. Sisters of Silence hunt psykers, and the SoB often work with the Ordo Hereticus, who also deal in eliminating troublesome psykers. Codex Witchhunters maybe? One can dream.

If different T is enough to make them non-marines then custodians are T5

Well. Not that I'm disagreeing per se. I wouldn't mind seeing SoB either just to see them done right even though I have no need for them.

Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Edit : Oh wow, I just checked the index. The guard are T5 with 3w each. That's kind of scary.
Technically custodes aren't marines either, but same idea; superhuman soldiers in powered armor.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Technically custodes aren't marines either, but same idea; superhuman soldiers in powered armor.

Well okay I admit I'm not familiar with 8th ed rules but at least 30k they are S5 T5 WS5 BS5 W2 A2 marine munching combat monsters you do not want to let get anywhere near anything with power armour and high price.

edit: And even tankier in 8th ed it seems

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 farmersboy wrote:



I thought power armour has auto-senses. not HUDs in helmets? Have they been screwing up the fluff again?

They are one in the same, Auto-senses is just the 40k name for it.

That's not how auto-senses were described. From the description of Mk 2 armour, the first to have auto-senses -

"The helmet is fitted with automatic sensory devices developed on Mars, which allow the wearer to see and hear as though not wearing a helmet, and, since all information is transmitted to a computer in the helmet before being transmitted directly to the wearer's brain via neural link, it enhances sight and hearing while dampening blinding lights and deafening noises. The wearer is also able to see in the infra-red and ultra-violet spectrums, images can be zoomed in and magnified while noises can be enhanced"

There's also this from Fulgrim -

"Solomon turned as Marius Vairosean removed his helmet and shook his head to clear the momentary disorientation of returning to the employment of his own senses as opposed to those of his Mk IV plate"

That's the whole point of auto-senses. You couldn't fit a HUD inside the helmet, there isn't room. When a Space Marine puts his helmet on he doesn't use his eyes or ears, everything is fed to his brain via the neural link, he doesn't see the helmet, he doesn't look out of the eye lenses. Why would they have something so primitive as a HUD, they're even starting to do away with them today?

tneva82 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, custodes are T5? That's...unexpectedly tanky.
Technically custodes aren't marines either, but same idea; superhuman soldiers in powered armor.

Well okay I admit I'm not familiar with 8th ed rules but at least 30k they are S5 T5 WS5 BS5 W2 A2 marine munching combat monsters you do not want to let get anywhere near anything with power armour and high price.

edit: And even tankier in 8th ed it seems

Sadly 8th is all about the horde and custodes suck [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express that opinion - Alpharius], still like you say good for 30k which is what I have them for.

Why do I get the feeling I am going to regret building all of my Custodes as sword and board?

I am really hoping this is a good adjunct army to some of my other stuff. I don't plan on making a full army in gold.

 jake wrote:


You could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle, except Sisters of Silence don't really look anything like Sisters of Battle at all, aside from being armored women. Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors have more in common with Sisters really.

I'd hate to see the two forces rolled into a single army. It makes no sense really. They aren't associated with each other and are operated by completely different branches of the Imperium. It would make way more sense to lump all Space Marines into one army.

It would also be pretty insulting. Even more insulting than when GW turned Sister of Battle into guest stars in their own army. Sisters of Battle have been waiting for a proper release for nearly 20 years.

If "slightly weaker girl marines" is enough of a distinction to warrant a unique codex, "slightly stronger vampire marines", "slightly stronger wolf marines" and "power-creep Banana Marines" are large enough distinctions as well.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 jake wrote:


You could convert Sisters of Silence into Sisters of Battle, except Sisters of Silence don't really look anything like Sisters of Battle at all, aside from being armored women. Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors have more in common with Sisters really.

I'd hate to see the two forces rolled into a single army. It makes no sense really. They aren't associated with each other and are operated by completely different branches of the Imperium. It would make way more sense to lump all Space Marines into one army.

It would also be pretty insulting. Even more insulting than when GW turned Sister of Battle into guest stars in their own army. Sisters of Battle have been waiting for a proper release for nearly 20 years.

If "slightly weaker girl marines" is enough of a distinction to warrant a unique codex, "slightly stronger vampire marines", "slightly stronger wolf marines" and "power-creep Banana Marines" are large enough distinctions as well.

Budy. All you did was repeat what Jack was saying back to himself in a fairly condescending way.

Jack legit just said if the flavors of Space marine can justify being different books, then their is no reason to lump SOS and SOB into the same army book.