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Last straight up regular dragon I can remember was the Talisman dragon- wasn't related to any army or faction. Just a generic dragon. Or was it? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
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To a degree, yes. Someone posted that right away last time I said that too.

It’s also £300 and is the two-legged movie design, but it’s certainly a nice model.

GW are hardly a straight up no-frills company, especially now. Every recent release has been bent with plenty of frills

GW are trying their best to be non generic, so also no generic dragons. I mean sure you still have the elves and dwarves, the brave humans and they are still heavily Tolkien and DnD inspired. However, Fyreslayers, Sylvaneth, Idoneth, DoK, Kharadrons, Nighthaunts, even the Stormcast are all reasonably fresh.
I am sure they'll eventually do some dragon shaped thing, but it will almost definitely have frills


(Just to reiterate, obviously no idea GW has is completely original, but they are definitely pretty fresh up to a point)

I'm somewhat surprised to see Daughters of Khaine get so many point cost increases on their warscrolls

 Overread wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised to see Daughters of Khaine get so many point cost increases on their warscrolls

Me too, considering 50 extra points for a temple nest seems like a lot when blood stalkers didn't go down in points and most of our command abilities are general only.

Imhotepmagi wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised to see Daughters of Khaine get so many point cost increases on their warscrolls

Me too, considering 50 extra points for a temple nest seems like a lot when blood stalkers didn't go down in points and most of our command abilities are general only.

Yeah, I'm furious. I just bought an army and they haven't even arrived yet. Now the list I spent a few weeks planning is no longer valid. I swear GW is trying to force people to buy the Witch Elves box.
I'm honestly becoming paranoid that when Slaanesh is reintroduced they'll come in a starter set VS DoK and the witch elves will either be packaged as cheaper yet fewer or slightly cheaper but SoS and WE in separate kits

 DeffDred wrote:

Imhotepmagi wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised to see Daughters of Khaine get so many point cost increases on their warscrolls

Me too, considering 50 extra points for a temple nest seems like a lot when blood stalkers didn't go down in points and most of our command abilities are general only.

Yeah, I'm furious. I just bought an army and they haven't even arrived yet. Now the list I spent a few weeks planning is no longer valid. I swear GW is trying to force people to buy the Witch Elves box.
I'm honestly becoming paranoid that when Slaanesh is reintroduced they'll come in a starter set VS DoK and the witch elves will either be packaged as cheaper yet fewer or slightly cheaper but SoS and WE in separate kits

I really hope DoK get a getting started box because Witch Aelves are very overpriced for a 10 man troop choice that is a core choice not an elite group. The Blood Coven set at least gives a good deal, but I can't even get a solid answer on if that is continuing or not (stores I've spoken too seem either unsure or have at least not had any advanced warning whilst GW website and support gave the standard "if its not there its gone" answer but with no real confirmation on the item itself).

Thing is I can't see why GW would take so long considering DoK are already out and are clearly a "main" force. You can even see them suffer without even a getting started bundle for the launch of Sigmar 2

 DeffDred wrote:

Imhotepmagi wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised to see Daughters of Khaine get so many point cost increases on their warscrolls

Me too, considering 50 extra points for a temple nest seems like a lot when blood stalkers didn't go down in points and most of our command abilities are general only.

Yeah, I'm furious. I just bought an army and they haven't even arrived yet. Now the list I spent a few weeks planning is no longer valid. I swear GW is trying to force people to buy the Witch Elves box.
I'm honestly becoming paranoid that when Slaanesh is reintroduced they'll come in a starter set VS DoK and the witch elves will either be packaged as cheaper yet fewer or slightly cheaper but SoS and WE in separate kits

This is something I've actually been having a discussion over the past few months. We have not seen many honest to goodness reboxings of products outside of just the WHFB->AOS rebadging and swapping bases in quite some time.
Fyreslayers, an army that pretty much desperately needed reboxings like the Stormcast stuff did, only saw the addition of their Start Collecting set.
Blightkings could have used a reboxing to 10 ala the Liberators--nada.
Hell, SKELETONS didn't get bumped up to 20 models for Legion of Nagash! SKELETONS! A unit that for most of its history was coming 20 a pop in the big boxes containing them is somehow suddenly 10/box?


When Age of Sigmar launched, we saw a few things get changed right off the bat. We saw a few things get changed later on. I think Flesh-Eater Courts and the repackaging of Ghouls to 20 to a box was the most recent time of an actual full on repackaging.
TLDR version: I don't think we'll see Witch Elves getting packaged with SoS and WE in separate kits(the frames aren't able to support this--it would need to be new kits)--but I do think we'll at least see them getting bumped up to 20. I just can't predict when it will happen. They've not been doing repackaging of late. I wonder if it's out of concern for old stock sitting on shelves?

Also, I can't explain points changes. There's some weird ones.


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 Nova_Impero wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Has anyone seen/posted this?

https://imgur.com/a/3UUvY2c

Looking at the Stormcast section reveals at least three or more models that we haven't seen yet.

Yup. I'm excited to see a Knight-Zephyros aside from Naeve. Hoping it actually gets a model though. It's also kind of nice to see some actual named heroes but I worry it'll continue the trend of "Stormcast get all the love!".

It looks like battalions pretty much universally got a 50-60 pt increase to account for the CP they generate. Those that didn't go up by that much effectively got a points decrease.

 EnTyme wrote:
It looks like battalions pretty much universally got a 50-60 pt increase to account for the CP they generate. Those that didn't go up by that much effectively got a points decrease.

I actually get that CP is the reason, but when you are already forced to take overcosted units to fulfill the requirements, the CP should be a free benefit.

 EnTyme wrote:
It looks like battalions pretty much universally got a 50-60 pt increase to account for the CP they generate. Those that didn't go up by that much effectively got a points decrease.

I was genuinely surprised to see the Royal Council for my Idoneth go down in points. My only explanation for it is that it is to reflect that you need all 3 characters in the same area to use the Command Ability the King will get from it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Imhotepmagi wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised to see Daughters of Khaine get so many point cost increases on their warscrolls

Me too, considering 50 extra points for a temple nest seems like a lot when blood stalkers didn't go down in points and most of our command abilities are general only.

Yeah, I'm furious. I just bought an army and they haven't even arrived yet. Now the list I spent a few weeks planning is no longer valid. I swear GW is trying to force people to buy the Witch Elves box.
I'm honestly becoming paranoid that when Slaanesh is reintroduced they'll come in a starter set VS DoK and the witch elves will either be packaged as cheaper yet fewer or slightly cheaper but SoS and WE in separate kits

This is something I've actually been having a discussion over the past few months. We have not seen many honest to goodness reboxings of products outside of just the WHFB->AOS rebadging and swapping bases in quite some time.
Fyreslayers, an army that pretty much desperately needed reboxings like the Stormcast stuff did, only saw the addition of their Start Collecting set.
Blightkings could have used a reboxing to 10 ala the Liberators--nada.
Hell, SKELETONS didn't get bumped up to 20 models for Legion of Nagash! SKELETONS! A unit that for most of its history was coming 20 a pop in the big boxes containing them is somehow suddenly 10/box?


When Age of Sigmar launched, we saw a few things get changed right off the bat. We saw a few things get changed later on. I think Flesh-Eater Courts and the repackaging of Ghouls to 20 to a box was the most recent time of an actual full on repackaging.
TLDR version: I don't think we'll see Witch Elves getting packaged with SoS and WE in separate kits(the frames aren't able to support this--it would need to be new kits)--but I do think we'll at least see them getting bumped up to 20. I just can't predict when it will happen. They've not been doing repackaging of late. I wonder if it's out of concern for old stock sitting on shelves?

Also, I can't explain points changes. There's some weird ones.


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 Nova_Impero wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Has anyone seen/posted this?

https://imgur.com/a/3UUvY2c

Looking at the Stormcast section reveals at least three or more models that we haven't seen yet.

Yup. I'm excited to see a Knight-Zephyros aside from Naeve. Hoping it actually gets a model though. It's also kind of nice to see some actual named heroes but I worry it'll continue the trend of "Stormcast get all the love!".

I hope so too. Also, I wonder what a Lord Exorcist is?

 Nova_Impero wrote:

I hope so too. Also, I wonder what a Lord Exorcist is?

I'm guessing the Lord-Exorcist is the gentleman here with the helm and book:

I'm thinking that the Lord-Ordinator there is actually the Magister of Hammerhal.

Scratch that...Magister of Hammerhal wouldn't be enough there.

That makes a lot of sense.

Leaked points discussion?

I am mad that Loremaster went up by 40 points. Swordmasters went down by only 20.

Flamespyre Phoenix seems rather costly. Potentially amusing with his 4+ resurrection.

If we could avoid links to illegal copies of books etc it'd be better.

Thanks.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:

I hope so too. Also, I wonder what a Lord Exorcist is?

I'm guessing the Lord-Exorcist is the gentleman here with the helm and book:

Spoiler:

I'm thinking that the Lord-Ordinator there is actually the Magister of Hammerhal.

Scratch that...Magister of Hammerhal wouldn't be enough there.

Aventis Firestrike, Magister Of Hammerhal, is the guy on Tauralon facing the Nighthaut here (that's him, or a normal Lord-Arcanum ; seeing the points it's probably a dual kit with a normal Lord-Arcanum).

He was teased here https://malignportents.com/story/cause-celebre/ and more importantly here : https://malignportents.com/story/the-great-and-the-good/

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
It looks like battalions pretty much universally got a 50-60 pt increase to account for the CP they generate. Those that didn't go up by that much effectively got a points decrease.

I was genuinely surprised to see the Royal Council for my Idoneth go down in points. My only explanation for it is that it is to reflect that you need all 3 characters in the same area to use the Command Ability the King will get from it.

It's because you need to spend command points on that ability which you'd otherwise save to spam his bonus attack one during high tide.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
It looks like battalions pretty much universally got a 50-60 pt increase to account for the CP they generate. Those that didn't go up by that much effectively got a points decrease.

I was genuinely surprised to see the Royal Council for my Idoneth go down in points. My only explanation for it is that it is to reflect that you need all 3 characters in the same area to use the Command Ability the King will get from it.

It's because you need to spend command points on that ability which you'd otherwise save to spam his bonus attack one during high tide.

That's partly what I was thinking, but I'm wondering if it also has to do with the simple fact that out of all the characters that Idoneth get--only the Kings get unique Command Abilities. Even the Royal Council only grants its ability to the King.

I've been kinda/sorta avoiding reading too much about Command Abilities to avoid prejudicing myself too much about them: Have we seen if they're set up like spells or can I use the same one as many times as I have Command Points for them?

Barring some rule I haven't seen the same one can be spammed by the same dude. The other day I had a daughters of khaine model pile in and attack me in the hero phase, three times in a row. So Idoneth want to save up for high tide then dump +3 attacks on a big blob of eels or thralls or something. Or a leviadon, nom nom nom.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Barring some rule I haven't seen the same one can be spammed by the same dude. The other day I had a daughters of khaine model pile in and attack me in the hero phase, three times in a row. So Idoneth want to save up for high tide then dump +3 attacks on a big blob of eels or thralls or something. Or a leviadon, nom nom nom.

Or you just take Volturnos and do the same thing to 3 units every time...good lord.

I know we don't want links but after seeing said links, anyone else laughing about how Evocators are the same cost as Protectors?

Like, I use Protectors cos they look cool, and they were already sort of useless, epsecaiily when my group doesn't use monsters. I got some use out of them for their range to attack over a shield wall though. But Evocators are the same cost? And the Lord-Arcanum is cheaper than a Lord-Aquillor.

What I'm really waiting for...

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I know we don't want links but after seeing said links, anyone else laughing about how Evocators are the same cost as Protectors?

Like, I use Protectors cos they look cool, and they were already sort of useless, epsecaiily when my group doesn't use monsters. I got some use out of them for their range to attack over a shield wall though. But Evocators are the same cost? And the Lord-Arcanum is cheaper than a Lord-Aquillor.

Yeah we went through how Evocators are totally OP over in AoS discussion. They'll be doing the tournament rounds for sure.

 Ghaz wrote:
What I'm really waiting for...

Spoiler:

You'll really want to treat it as a glaze rather than a wash, from what some of the studio members have been saying.


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 Tiberius501 wrote:
I know we don't want links but after seeing said links, anyone else laughing about how Evocators are the same cost as Protectors?

Like, I use Protectors cos they look cool, and they were already sort of useless, epsecaiily when my group doesn't use monsters. I got some use out of them for their range to attack over a shield wall though. But Evocators are the same cost? And the Lord-Arcanum is cheaper than a Lord-Aquillor.

There's 4 different Lord-Arcanum entries. There's a foot version which is cheaper than the Lord-Aquilor, and then the Gryph-Charger, Dracoline version, and a Tauralon version are all more expensive than the Lord-Aquilor.

Evocators are weird. I can't understand them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
What I'm really waiting for...

Spoiler:

You'll really want to treat it as a glaze rather than a wash, from what some of the studio members have been saying.

Well, I tend to use glazes the way you would a wash on a lot of my minis, so . . .

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
What I'm really waiting for...

Spoiler:

You'll really want to treat it as a glaze rather than a wash, from what some of the studio members have been saying.

From Facebook:

REDACTED wrote:What are they exactly? How do they behave when you paint them on a model? Is it like a shade? A tint?

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:It's hard to explain really - they're quite different to anything else we produce currently! We're sure the guys will be taking a look at them in some

They also say we'll be seeing videos starting next week. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Nighthaunt Gloom can be used on my Nighthaunts and Hexwraith Flame can be used on my Necrons.

I think Nighthaunt Gloom is going to be the hardest one to get a grip on. It seems like it dries opaque from what's been shown.

They remind me of Nihlakh Oxide, which I've used for everything from oxidation to ethereal flames.