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So I just noticed that the digital versions of all the battletomes I bought on ITunes got updated. I haven't gone over them with a fine-tooth comb, but they all seem to have updated warscrolls and points. The disciples of Tzeentch book has the new summoning rules in it.
It really does seem like now is the time to go digital especially as the digital battletomes are cheaper than physical ones, unlike novels.

Chikout wrote:
So I just noticed that the digital versions of all the battletomes I bought on ITunes got updated. I haven't gone over them with a fine-tooth comb, but they all seem to have updated warscrolls and points. The disciples of Tzeentch book has the new summoning rules in it.
It really does seem like now is the time to go digital especially as the digital battletomes are cheaper than physical ones, unlike novels.

The Khorne one doesn't seem to have any warscrolls changes, just the points changes. I find it funny that Skullcrushers have gone UP 20pts in the tome when they're already terrible.

But yes I agree, digital seems better, but it still isn't quite the same as a physical book.

Going through the WD and I think I'll do my SC as dirtied up Hallowed Knights and a few Knights Excelsior allies. But ofc the WD doesn't tell us how either were painted by Paul Norton and the silver armour looks different from his Iron Ravens recipe earlier and the Warhammer TV version. Same with the Excelsiors. Crap

 Binabik15 wrote:
Going through the WD and I think I'll do my SC as dirtied up Hallowed Knights and a few Knights Excelsior allies. But ofc the WD doesn't tell us how either were painted by Paul Norton and the silver armour looks different from his Iron Ravens recipe earlier and the Warhammer TV version. Same with the Excelsiors. Crap

Ask him on twitter!

Gorbad! Oh, he was on my someday from eBay list, so I'm getting him. Hmm, I was planning on getting Kill Team and the Knights game, but one of those will have to wait until the fall now. I already have Setra and Khalida. If they ever re-release the plastic tomb kings kits, I will be broke.

You will probably be waiting a while for new Tomb Kings (if they ever even get redone). Fluff-wise, Nagash HATES the tomb kings. He is ok with their animated statues, but he HATES the Tomb Kings. And since Nagash is the one that is creating all of the Necromancy in the Mortal Realms, he will never bring them back because he HATES the Tomb Kings. As far as models go, they would need most of a whole new line. Compared to the Vampire Counts skeletons, their skeletons have giant heads. It's like having an army of Dia De Los Muertes Pinatas. The skeletal horses they are doing now for Night Haunts are far better than the old skeleton horses. Also, many of the heroes were only available in resin. Now what I could see would be making Settra a Mortarch of Bandages or something like that, because before the Chaos Gods put Settra back together, Nagash owned him. They could even make a cool flying ghostly chariot for him. And just so you know, I am not a hater, I have a beautiful painted Tomb Kings army with converted Vampire Counts skeletons. But honestly, if it wasn't so pretty, I would have sold it to some Kings of War player by now. That is probably the only place you will find Tomb Kings.

I just love all the new stuff coming out. I wish I had more time an money for it. I am still busy with my Idoneth.
I know it is weird but I hate it when GW releases new stuff this fast

From the paunch, there's one that I never got around to buying, will have to pick one up.
Worryingly I have that necromancer on zombie dragon still new in box from when he was originally released, a sad reminder of how large the pile of shame is!

I keep repeating the old mantra of "I'm not buying anything else until I've painted what I have", and yet I'm already planning to order Settra and Khalida this weekend.

CassianSol wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Going through the WD and I think I'll do my SC as dirtied up Hallowed Knights and a few Knights Excelsior allies. But ofc the WD doesn't tell us how either were painted by Paul Norton and the silver armour looks different from his Iron Ravens recipe earlier and the Warhammer TV version. Same with the Excelsiors. Crap

Ask him on twitter!

Sadly I don't have or want a Twitter account.

I managed to get Spikyjames' Sons of Guiliman scheme off it via Google last month, but no luck for the Norton stuff so far.

If anyone wants to do it for me I'll pretend to root for your fav WC team

PS: That's indeed an impressive pile!

Wrong thread oops...

Duuuuuuude...


Is that Grom the Paunch?? Yeah, that's happening...Gorbad too. Must have!

Is there any new Chainghasts coming out or is it just Crawlocke? I've not seen any other models for them

Jacob29 wrote:
Is there any new Chainghasts coming out or is it just Crawlocke? I've not seen any other models for them

It's just Crawlocke(who's meant to be a Spirit Torment) and the two Chainghasts, correct.

Oh well that sucks, have to get a Spirit Torment everytime you want to buy Chainghasts...

Jacob29 wrote:
Oh well that sucks, have to get a Spirit Torment everytime you want to buy Chainghasts...

I mean, at $40 for all 3? It isn't too bad.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Oh well that sucks, have to get a Spirit Torment everytime you want to buy Chainghasts...

I mean, at $40 for all 3? It isn't too bad.

It's pretty bad man. They're basically forcing you to grab a character model and slightly less than character prices.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
Oh well that sucks, have to get a Spirit Torment everytime you want to buy Chainghasts...

I mean, at $40 for all 3? It isn't too bad.

It's pretty bad man. They're basically forcing you to grab a character model and slightly less than character prices.

How much do you think Chainghasts were going to be with just two of them in a box?

Based on current size I'd have assumed and easy to build for $20 for 2. Considering size wise they are the same a the banshees and same point cost per unit with less models.

Granted, when I saw the entry and unit size I also expected them to be much larger and likely have a corresponding statline. In such case the box price would be reasonable.

I'm a huge fanboy of GW but that particular box is a dick move. Their on 32mm's for petes sake. They're forcing you to buy the character and what's worse it's just an alternative to the one in the starter. I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.

Just put different heads on the other crawlockes and call them chainghasts, done

Smellingsalts wrote:
Just put different heads on the other crawlockes and call them chainghasts, done

I'm not saying there aren't ways around it. I'm just saying it sucks because even if you do that you've only got a squad of 3 which is understrength. If they charged the current cost, added another model and left options to make the jailor a chainghast I'd be good with the pricing.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Based on current size I'd have assumed and easy to build for $20 for 2. Considering size wise they are the same a the banshees and same point cost per unit with less models.

Granted, when I saw the entry and unit size I also expected them to be much larger and likely have a corresponding statline. In such case the box price would be reasonable.

I'm a huge fanboy of GW but that particular box is a dick move. Their on 32mm's for petes sake. They're forcing you to buy the character and what's worse it's just an alternative to the one in the starter. I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.

Here's where I have to disagree. It's a good thing that they're releasing an alternative to the one in the starter. Remember that they're doing more starter sets all of which go up for preorder this week.


This is a viable alternative to Soul Wars for someone getting into the game(not as good as Soul Wars--not even going to try to pretend so!), but given that it includes no Soul Torment and who knows how long it will be for the sprue featuring him and the Knight of Shrouds together, it's better that he's available with a unit that he has synergy with in one go.

I'm waiting for the smaller smaller box set named "breeze of souls" though they already missed the ball on calling the full starter "hurricane of souls".

Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.

Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.

And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.

Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.

And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".

It's funny because the alternative isn't an individually boxed Torment; it's having no separate Torment at all. Last I checked there's still no individual Relictor or Bloodsecrator boxes. Besides, there will be a healthy ebay market for both Torments and Chainghasts individually. Hulk is just complaining about something because it isn't perfect when really it should be encouraged as a move in the right direction with the criticism as a caveat--to simply say it's bad is to tell GW to go back to the Relictor approach.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.

Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.

And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".

It's funny because the alternative isn't an individually boxed Torment; it's having no separate Torment at all. Last I checked there's still no individual Relictor or Bloodsecrator boxes. Besides, there will be a healthy ebay market for both Torments and Chainghasts individually. Hulk is just complaining about something because it isn't perfect when really it should be encouraged as a move in the right direction with the criticism as a caveat--to simply say it's bad is to tell GW to go back to the Relictor approach.

Nope, not complaining it's not perfect. Advising that it's a poor packaging decision for the cost isn't complaining. Pointing out that they are testing 2 different methods and that this method is the worse of the two feels like an ok position to take. Also swiping at people that you have on ignore is genearly poor form

 Hulksmash wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Kan, I know it's hard for you to generally see anything GW does as wrong. But it's flat out a bad move. Because it forces people to pay extra for multiple characters if they want more than 2 chainghasts. That awesome "deal" on 3 models looks much worse when it's only really for 2 you're using. It'd be better if they done what they did with the Dracoline Evocators or the on foot Evocators. Made the option in the box to make the character or a normal dude. They didn't. So the value is only there on a first time buy for someone who didn't get the starter.

Or for anyone who starts Nighthaunt via Path to Glory, since the Spirit Torment comes with the Chainghasts.

And really, if you're going to try to say that people are "only" going to use a single Spirit Torment--you're kidding yourself. That's a character who benefits greatly from buffs from his "minions".

It's funny because the alternative isn't an individually boxed Torment; it's having no separate Torment at all. Last I checked there's still no individual Relictor or Bloodsecrator boxes. Besides, there will be a healthy ebay market for both Torments and Chainghasts individually. Hulk is just complaining about something because it isn't perfect when really it should be encouraged as a move in the right direction with the criticism as a caveat--to simply say it's bad is to tell GW to go back to the Relictor approach.

Nope, not complaining it's not perfect. Advising that it's a poor packaging decision for the cost isn't complaining. Pointing out that they are testing 2 different methods and that this method is the worse of the two feels like an ok position to take. Also swiping at people that you have on ignore is genearly poor form

The saying goes "treat others as you want to be treated" so I figured poor form and impolite jabs were how you wanted responses

Okay guys, stop the bickering. It's not getting anyone anywhere.

I'm personally neutral on it because, as has been pointed out, my second Relictor comes with more models attached. To which I personally can't see a bad thing to have more great models I get to grow my forces with or use for kitbashes.

But I also get Hulksmash's complaint too on wanting a cheap single model. To that request your best bet is just to either waiting for a Ebay sale or hoping a battleforce appears in December that gives you much more value for the price.

I'm hoping people don't buy it because then we'll see more of this kind of thing.

Well you know that's a vain hope. Kanluwen already pointed out the competitive crowd's gonna want him in bulk anyway.

Don't give up hope though, this is just profiting on the early competitive hype. When things settle down you'll likely get your wish as GW divide up the kits more to grab those who were waiting for it.

It's already plentiful on ebay for less than $20 including shipping; I suspect anyone wanting to run multiples without chainghasts will go there. Selling it individually would probably capitalize on the short-term spam crowd more than having it boxed with the chainghasts; I think it's more that if you are running the chainghasts you will be including a torment while the reverse isn't always true. Thus if one wants just a torment they can hit up ebay or someone who bought a starter but is willing to sell/trade it off, while if they want both they can buy the mixed box. In a perfect world they would each be available separately, hopefully they will get the idea of 'having this box separate from the starter is good, but it would be better if...'