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I don't care is that's it; the models we have are good and the battletomes will give loads of content for using them.

Street this is a massive release for both armies. Skaven being brought into a single tome is a huge game changer for them; plus Carrion Courts can get a nice boost from this. Sure they don't have many models but heck Daughters of Khaine are simialrly very small in range (only around 5 models with 3 of them being duel kits) and don't have any endless spells nor terrain feature.

Carrion might also get more things; we don't know as yet. This is just pre-release for next week - there could be more or there might not be .


That said I'd have thought Carrion was after Genestealers not at the same time and not with Battletomes for both at lauch! That's a big release for GW and is that a GW core rule book in paperback I see in the box?!

Wouldn't have minded for Flesh Eater Courts to get more small troops, but otherwise I think it is awesome that they are getting some support.


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GW core rule book in paperback I see in the box?!

I think it's just the standard one you can print out. They now print standard rules pamphlets in all box sets these days. F.ex I got this and the 40k pamphlet in the Wrath and Rapture box set.


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I am wondering, with the Skaven force of the box being so big stuff, isn't this a really good box for Skaven or do you not want multiple copies of those items?

this sudden change of events sure shifted my calendar ... leaves only ambots & ambull left prior to vigilus 2

Between the fluer de lys on the fence, the horses and the bloody grail they really are taking the mickey out of poor Brett players.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is that the only releases these armies will get? Dissapointing to say the least if that's the case

Doesn't rule out week 2 release next week. This was quite a lot for one week anyway. GW usually spreads out releases a bit. If there's more to come week after this GW doesn't put official word about it yet. That's week later.

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I am wondering, with the Skaven force of the box being so big stuff, isn't this a really good box for Skaven or do you not want multiple copies of those items?

The Lightning gun is a duel kit that also makes the plague catapult so that's worth having several of - however you also get it in their start collecting set. The Doom Wheel is a very powerful fast hitting unit whilst the stormvermin are huge walking weapon platforms and essential for clan skyre (at present). I would say, for Skaven having two boxes worth of the models is ideal; and I'd wager the same, if not more so, is true for Flesh Eater courts (considering its got everythign they have save their plague dragon in it).

 JonWebb wrote:
Between the fluer de lys on the fence, the horses and the bloody grail they really are taking the mickey out of poor Brett players.

gw sure likes to leave their corpse horses meatless from the nape onward ... maybe bad memories with dire wolves

 JonWebb wrote:
Between the fluer de lys on the fence, the horses and the bloody grail they really are taking the mickey out of poor Brett players.

Flesh eater courts are essentially bretonnians. Just with a dark bent.

 aracersss wrote:
let me get this straight ... 1 model and a spell kit for FECs justify an entire new book? ... feelsbadman

They don't really havea book. They have a binder of outdated warscrolls. Their allegiance, and items are in the GHB.

This brings them up to Beasts of Chaos speed at least. The book gets them "chapter tactics", better items, a spell lore, etc. It's more than I ever hoped for. Tho I wouldn't mind a plastic Varghulf.

they feel worse than winter ogres,. and FEC has more plastic kits (3) ... maybe it's the over-use of multi kits, or just plain three kit army (four with new blister) ... wish they had more :/

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
let me get this straight ... 1 model and a spell kit for FECs justify an entire new book? ... feelsbadman

They don't really havea book. They have a binder of outdated warscrolls. Their allegiance, and items are in the GHB.

This brings them up to Beasts of Chaos speed at least. The book gets them "chapter tactics", better items, a spell lore, etc. It's more than I ever hoped for. Tho I wouldn't mind a plastic Varghulf.

Yeah. Needing a new battletome justifies getting one. They need to be rounded out and made a bit less gimmicky/limited in what's viable.

Also don't forget a Battletome confirms a faction is sticking around - it wasn't that long ago that we lost Greenskins as an army. So people are still cautious of investing in any forces that don't have a Battletome and we've no idea what GW is going to do with the glut of Aelven forces in Order.

So right now getting a Battletome is more than just models, its security of a future with AoS and a chance at more stuff in the future. Plus a good reason to start collecting them now - right now!

 Overread wrote:
Street this is a massive release for both armies. Skaven being brought into a single tome is a huge game changer for them; plus Carrion Courts can get a nice boost from this. Sure they don't have many models but heck Daughters of Khaine are simialrly very small in range (only around 5 models with 3 of them being duel kits) and don't have any endless spells nor terrain feature.

Carrion might also get more things; we don't know as yet. This is just pre-release for next week - there could be more or there might not be .


That said I'd have thought Carrion was after Genestealers not at the same time and not with Battletomes for both at lauch! That's a big release for GW and is that a GW core rule book in paperback I see in the box?!

Skaven range is pretty big, so them not getting new models is no big deal imo, But FEC range is ridiculously small. I thought this would be an occasion for them to expand a bit.

As you said, there might be some 2nd week release. I sincerly hope it's the case, cause I was interested in maybe starting a small FEC army, but I won't do so if there's nothing new


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 Overread wrote:
Also don't forget a Battletome confirms a faction is sticking around - it wasn't that long ago that we lost Greenskins as an army. So people are still cautious of investing in any forces that don't have a Battletome and we've no idea what GW is going to do with the glut of Aelven forces in Order.

So right now getting a Battletome is more than just models, its security of a future with AoS and a chance at more stuff in the future. Plus a good reason to start collecting them now - right now!

I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't really mind if GW cut down on some of these AOS armies that were too related to the OW. Made the setting look like a deformed bastard child

I think they would have said something in the article if either army was getting a second wave of models.

I hope that either army does, but I am not counting on it.

Well should come soon enough news if new rules are in book. Doubtful they do week 2 new units that wouldn't be in the book

I feel they kind of phoned it in for these two armies, a plastic Varghulf would have changed my mind...that old finecast kit needs to go. But whatever, all this did was seal my plans of not starting either of these armies.

They could easily do a week two of new models if they wanted. That said nothing stops them adding to the books content; GW might be stepping upa gear getting the Battletomes out to get models selling once more.
Plus its a LOT easier to get people into a game when they can go with whatever they want rather than being told "Oh wait don't try those armies because they "might" not survive or might change a lot if they get a Battletome."

 Thargrim wrote:
I feel they kind of phoned it in for these two armies, a plastic Varghulf would have changed my mind...that old finecast kit needs to go. But whatever, all this did was seal my plans of not starting either of these armies.

I wouldn't go that far. The Skaven book is going to be pretty big, and they already have an expansive model range. This is a pretty huge upgrade for them.

I do feel the FEC does feel a a bit more minimum-effort, but at the same time they at least updated it for the new edition, and the army is somewhat popular already. I wish they had included some new kits, but with the way Warscrolls work they can release the models at anytime.

I just feel AoS benefits more from new battletomes than from new models at the moment. And the Gloomspite release was huge... They've earned a break! A new hero for each is pretty cool. Plus obligatory spells & terrain is nice.

 Overread wrote:
They could easily do a week two of new models if they wanted. That said nothing stops them adding to the books content; GW might be stepping upa gear getting the Battletomes out to get models selling once more.
Plus its a LOT easier to get people into a game when they can go with whatever they want rather than being told "Oh wait don't try those armies because they "might" not survive or might change a lot if they get a Battletome."

Imagine outrage if the book would be out of date next week ;-) If there are any units coming next week they were well and done and known release date by the time book was finished so no reason to not to add it to the book. One thing about adding new units not in book like half a year later. But literally week later? That would be cruel

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I just feel AoS benefits more from new battletomes than from new models at the moment. And the Gloomspite release was huge... They've earned a break! A new hero for each is pretty cool. Plus obligatory spells & terrain is nice.

Yeah, it's easier to release books at this state to consolidate current edition of AoS.

Gotta say, I too like the fact both factions have their battletomes with the launch of Carrion Empire. It's better than forcing players to use old books with heavy FAQ.

Though I still hope we will have something to replace the old Pestilens/Skryre finecast miniatures - but looking at Beasts of Chaos, I do not think it's that likely.


The new terrains are good news for giving life to your AoS table - the gnawholes in particular, I can find them a new purpose for my Ghyran table. I think the obvious new endless spell version of Rat Swarm doesn't have enough rats on it, but I'm nitpicking here.

A little it disappointed that Skryre is in the Skaven battletome. Of all of the clans Skryre was the one I felt could best carry a new battletome alone. Hopefully there will be enough to make a pure Skryre list feasible but if not at least it won't tempt me away from my planned Squigalanche...

 Ghaz wrote:
A little it disappointed that Skryre is in the Skaven battletome. Of all of the clans Skryre was the one I felt could best carry a new battletome alone. Hopefully there will be enough to make a pure Skryre list feasible but if not at least it won't tempt me away from my planned Squigalanche...

I have a gut feeling that the book will contain all of the Skryre abilities from the GHB (and then some), except now you can have some Eshin commandos and a Moulder beastie backing you up without worrying about breaking said allegiance. Think of the gloomspite gitz and how they managed to merge Moonclan, Spiderfang, Troggoths and Gargants together.

 Ghaz wrote:
A little it disappointed that Skryre is in the Skaven battletome. Of all of the clans Skryre was the one I felt could best carry a new battletome alone. Hopefully there will be enough to make a pure Skryre list feasible but if not at least it won't tempt me away from my planned Squigalanche...

I think this is the best move for GW at this point. Consolidating the Skaven into one book really helps cut down on the faction bloat we are seeing in AoS right now. I do agree Skryre would be the best to support themselves, but GW has to find a balance between supporting old and new armies.

 Sasori wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
A little it disappointed that Skryre is in the Skaven battletome. Of all of the clans Skryre was the one I felt could best carry a new battletome alone. Hopefully there will be enough to make a pure Skryre list feasible but if not at least it won't tempt me away from my planned Squigalanche...

I think this is the best move for GW at this point. Consolidating the Skaven into one book really helps cut down on the faction bloat we are seeing in AoS right now. I do agree Skryre would be the best to support themselves, but GW has to find a balance between supporting old and new armies.

Really does help us expand into other clans more than the allies bracket permits. Going to be great for my ~4k of Skryre with the other guys thrown in, although I wouldn't be surprised if the over-arching Skaven allegience abilities are best suited to the more traditional armies.

Essentially, I much rather they chuck all the rattybois into one book. Never though Pestilens should've been serparated anyway.

They could have made all Skaven allies with each other and not worried about the army's allegiance. With their own battletome, Skryre would have been more likely to see some new plastics for existing kits (e.g. Skryre Acolytes, Weapon Teams and Warplock Jezzails) and some new kits as well themed for Skryre in particular.

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 JonWebb wrote:
Between the fluer de lys on the fence, the horses and the bloody grail they really are taking the mickey out of poor Brett players.

Flesh eater courts are essentially bretonnians. Just with a dark bent.

I know, and I think it’s a cool enough version of the undead. Makes ghouls way more interesting g than just mad flesh eaters.

Just a bit of a shame if you were a Brett fan (not my army particularly, I dabbled back in 5th).

Still if Squats are coming back, then who knows what the future may bring. I’m sure GW felt the Arthurian myth plus France was a little tapped out and I’m enjoying what they are doing with the second Ed of AoS so maybe one day we will get some more house riding heroic knights.

I’m sure GW don’t mean harm, but I can see why some might feel a little sore over these little nods.

As long as I can still use my reliable* warp sparks to blast-burn my enemy-foes with no downsides* I'll be happy.

*Nope.

 Ghaz wrote:
They could have made all Skaven allies with each other and not worried about the army's allegiance. With their own battletome, Skryre would have been more likely to see some new plastics for existing kits (e.g. Skryre Acolytes, Weapon Teams and Warplock Jezzails) and some new kits as well themed for Skryre in particular.

Aye but the way AoS is setup going Battletome Alliances is generally preferable over Grand Alliance armies - so there'd be a distinct advantage to keep to one Clan Battletome. Plus if you got all those new plastics all the other skaven armies would get nothing in effect. Putting them in one book means even a single model update updates all skaven players. It's a very sensible move to support 1 army than 5. Esp since some, like Skyre, can look a bit odd with no clan rats and using what are basically elite heavy hitters (stormfiends) as battle-line warriors.

I do agree that there's room to update both armies with big model releases - for Skaven giving plastics for whatis currently metal and finecast; and for Flesh Eaters bulking them out; however I'd rather have battletomes now than wait another year for both models and tome at once. Tomes out earlier means more fun collecting, building and playing time.