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Plastic Varghulf where art thou?

Anyone know if some of my old figures can be used with the FEC army list (at least the one we have now)?

I don't know exactly how the 'Death' faction broke down where everything goes, but I thought I'd ask. Sorry if this isn't the place, but I am looking forward to getting Carrion empire, and want to know which models can join them.

These guys in particular.


And can any death faction use necromancers, or are they tied to one group in particular?

Thanks in advance.

I always felt like the verminus should have an option to 'mark' with a certain clan so they could be taken with any. But wrapping it all together works great too. The Beasts and Gloomspite are both really good and relatively well balanced to boot. The insistance that everyone gets a terrain piece is getting bland and watering down the impact, but that is a small thing.

Skullking - check the GW webstore - bone dragons are certainly featuring in the army. That said its not yet changed to reflect any shift around of models from the Battletome - that we might not know until next week or the week after when it formally drops.


Ninth - I think the terrain idea is based on the fact that GW has had a hard time making gamers actually buy terrain from them for their games. However giving armies terrain features has shown to produce a big increase in sales. For years Wood Elves have done this with forests, but it seems that other factions are doing really well with general sales of their terrain items.
I think that's why GW is doing it - they want to produce unique terrain features and they've tried giving them universal rules and gamers didn't really flock to them. However making them attached to a specific faction does produce sales for that factions players - good sales.

Plus they've thrown out games like Necromunda and Killteam - both of which heavily promote the use of GW terrain. It's a big push by GW to get more people buying and using their terrain and, honestly, GW are putting out a lot of really solid terrain. Some can appear rather overpriced though so I think its always an uphill struggle for them; but I think that tables today likely look a lot more 40K than many in the past.

The entire royal zombie dragons as battleline thing makes me question why we bother with the battleline rule in the first place.

auticus wrote:
The entire royal zombie dragons as battleline thing makes me question why we bother with the battleline rule in the first place.

I'm guessing it's the undridden ones, which is a far cry from the king on dragon. Also, it's so certain builds can get special privliges for a certain cost. Not all FEC armies get a weird battleline like that and in all likelyhood they'll be stuck with a sub-par command trait & artifact to get it. The whole ethos about AoS has been letting players really customize what they can bring. Even with battleline they have offered ways around it, for a cost. I like this about AoS a TON, it lets me customize and make my army uniquely mine in a way that WHFB rarely did (6th army books were an exception but that's like the age of myth). Want to run gloomspite with mixed moonclan? Cool. Want to specialize in squigs? You can do that too. Want to run all trolls? You can even do that!

Now if it were ridden dragons it would be one thing but afaik they have never made a hero choice battleline and I don't expect them to start now. Unridden zombie dragons are cool, but they really aren't close to the powerhouse of a vampire on one.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

auticus wrote:
The entire royal zombie dragons as battleline thing makes me question why we bother with the battleline rule in the first place.

I'm guessing it's the undridden ones, which is a far cry from the king on dragon. Also, it's so certain builds can get special privliges for a certain cost. Not all FEC armies get a weird battleline like that and in all likelyhood they'll be stuck with a sub-par command trait & artifact to get it. The whole ethos about AoS has been letting players really customize what they can bring. Even with battleline they have offered ways around it, for a cost. I like this about AoS a TON, it lets me customize and make my army uniquely mine in a way that WHFB rarely did (6th army books were an exception but that's like the age of myth). Want to run gloomspite with mixed moonclan? Cool. Want to specialize in squigs? You can do that too. Want to run all trolls? You can even do that!

Now if it were ridden dragons it would be one thing but afaik they have never made a hero choice battleline and I don't expect them to start now. Unridden zombie dragons are cool, but they really aren't close to the powerhouse of a vampire on one.

I agree here with Ninth. Some tomes execute it better than others though. Gloomspite is a perfect example of how to execute it, in my opinion.

Just noticed the Skaven symbol is made up of six pips. Kind of a nice touch since I'm constantly getting the symbols and icons mixed up as to what number they represent.

Should've been thirteen, but I guess when you actually have to play by the rules...

 skullking wrote:
Anyone know if some of my old figures can be used with the FEC army list (at least the one we have now)?

I don't know exactly how the 'Death' faction broke down where everything goes, but I thought I'd ask. Sorry if this isn't the place, but I am looking forward to getting Carrion empire, and want to know which models can join them.

These guys in particular.

Spoiler:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

And can any death faction use necromancers, or are they tied to one group in particular?

Thanks in advance.

2 is not showing up for me.

3 and 5 could pass as Varghuls, if you take the riders off. Or keep them on, up to you how insane you want your FEC to be.

1. Zacharias the Everliving proxy as a Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon. Or take the rider off and just use the dragon itself.

4 Mannfred, I guess proxy as Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon. Maybe be able to be taken as an Ally, if a new matrix is made(I don’t have LoN handy, I forget if they can ally already). He definitely made some use of FEC in the lore.

6 Dieter Helsnicht, not sure where you could use him offhand. Nothing springs to mind. Necromancers have much more limited mount options now.

They can ally Manny in.

How versatile is the zombie dragon kit? Because I'm wondering if "Royal Zombie Dragon" might be a new warscroll like how they created the "bloodseeker palanquin" from the mortis engine / coven throne.

I'm thinking it's just a rename if the "FEC Zombie Dragon" warscroll to differentiate it from the LoN one.


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I'm thinking it's just a rename if the "FEC Zombie Dragon" warscroll to differentiate it from the LoN one.

Warlock Bombardier

Warlock Bombardiers are skaven who have dedicated their awful lives to blowing things up. They have forgotten more about blowing stuff up than you will ever know. If the Clans Skryre ever need anything blown up (which is always), these are the are the guys they get to do it.

On the tabletop, Warlock Bombardiers are masters of ranged warfare, providing magical and missile support to the Clans Skyre. Like other Warlock Engineers, they’re able to smite enemies with deadly warp lightning.
Where the Warlock Bombardier really shines is, predictably, in the shooting phase when he blows enemies apart with the doomrocket.
If you’re willing to take the risk, you’ll be able to overload the doomrocket, allowing you to obliterate enemies – provided you don’t obliterate yourself first!Essentially, he’s a little war machine in his own right and the perfect supporting unit for a firing line of Warp Lightning Cannons.

Abhorrant Archregent:

The Abhorrant Archregent is the supreme leader of any given Flesh-eater Court. Ghoul Kings, are, as the name suggests, monarchs – this guy is akin to an emperor and lord over a vast domain. Centuries old, Abhorrant Archregents are horrifically strong and cunning, and their utter dedication to their delusions is resilient enough to bind together the fractious kingdoms of their kin.

Abhorrant Archregents are the ultimate support unit in a Flesh-eater Courts army. While they’re deadly combatants in their own right, where they really shine is in the hero phase, thanks to a superb spell and command ability.

Ferocious Hunter lets you increase the attacks of a nearby unit by up to 3. Cast it on a sufficiently massive horde of Crypt Ghouls, and you’ll be able to turn your foes into a fine, red mist.

Summon Imperial Guard, meanwhile, is unique among Flesh-eater Courts spells in the choice it offers – you’ll be able to pick a supporting Courtier, a heavy-hitting unit of Knights (that’s Crypt Flayers and Crypt Horrors) or a horde of Serfs (that’s Crypt Ghouls) to suit your purposes!

Article

Tomorrow they're doing a showcase on the Skaven armybook.

Boosted warp lightning will fry you if its unbound as well as just if you fluff the roll? Boo I say, Boo

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Boosted warp lightning will fry you if its unbound as well as just if you fluff the roll? Boo I say, Boo

I agree, now its to big a risk to try

I now wish I played flesheater courts so I could cast Summon Imperial Guard and put down a Leman Russ.

terry wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Boosted warp lightning will fry you if its unbound as well as just if you fluff the roll? Boo I say, Boo

I agree, now its to big a risk to try

It's almost like slipshod construction and pushing things past safety limitations might have a downside!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Boosted warp lightning will fry you if its unbound as well as just if you fluff the roll? Boo I say, Boo

Which is perfect for the rats!

I like that they put in actual risks now instead of getting all the cake and eating it to.

The big big question will be what the point cost of said model is.

Because if its cheaper than 130 points a model, they have created an obvious OP spam build of 4-6 engineers spamming missile launchers doing gross damage and making sure you spread them out with the tunnel system so that they can't be dealt with easily.

It also makes it tactical and not just chance. You've still got the casting chance; but now if you take it along with other mages you can cast other spells and really mess up your opponent. Do they unbind those earlier spells or risk that you're holding all that warp lightning back for the end. Now they've got to make a choice and when your little bombardier comes you know yours - if they've got any unbinds left you cast as normal and if they don't - full power!

The rocket is equally risky (if not more so) but at the same time overloaded just looks like fun.

Both very apt themes for risky skaven technology.

I really hope in the book review they go through the model list - I'd really ike to know if some things are going or staying.

auticus wrote:
I like that they put in actual risks now instead of getting all the cake and eating it to.

The big big question will be what the point cost of said model is.

Because if its cheaper than 130 points a model, they have created an obvious OP spam build of 4-6 engineers spamming missile launchers doing gross damage and making sure you spread them out with the tunnel system so that they can't be dealt with easily.

Fingers crossed that its not under priced. The pricing of units is a real issue in the game.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

auticus wrote:
I like that they put in actual risks now instead of getting all the cake and eating it to.

The big big question will be what the point cost of said model is.

Because if its cheaper than 130 points a model, they have created an obvious OP spam build of 4-6 engineers spamming missile launchers doing gross damage and making sure you spread them out with the tunnel system so that they can't be dealt with easily.

Fingers crossed that its not under priced. The pricing of units is a real issue in the game.

As much as I strongly dislike wombo combo ccg design, and AOS definitely embraced that full on, I agree with you that the unit pricing disparity is a big part of what breaks the game and has always been an issue with GW games since forever.

 nels1031 wrote:

 skullking wrote:
Anyone know if some of my old figures can be used with the FEC army list (at least the one we have now)?

I don't know exactly how the 'Death' faction broke down where everything goes, but I thought I'd ask. Sorry if this isn't the place, but I am looking forward to getting Carrion empire, and want to know which models can join them.

These guys in particular.

Spoiler:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

And can any death faction use necromancers, or are they tied to one group in particular?

Thanks in advance.

2 is not showing up for me.

3 and 5 could pass as Varghuls, if you take the riders off. Or keep them on, up to you how insane you want your FEC to be.

1. Zacharias the Everliving proxy as a Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon. Or take the rider off and just use the dragon itself.

4 Mannfred, I guess proxy as Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon. Maybe be able to be taken as an Ally, if a new matrix is made(I don’t have LoN handy, I forget if they can ally already). He definitely made some use of FEC in the lore.

6 Dieter Helsnicht, not sure where you could use him offhand. Nothing springs to mind. Necromancers have much more limited mount options now.

Thanks for the breakdown nels!

I guess I'll just have to wait for the new book to get the deets on what all will be usablie. It would be fun to use most of my undead stuff if possible.

FYI, not sure why #2 didn't work, but it was this guy, the old Wight lord on zombie dragon.

I have that model. He's tiny though. You can get guys irrate that you are using a dragon thats only a little bigger than today's ogres when the new dragon will likely be huge.

Mount that bad boy on a proper scenic base and as long as the whole things is roughly the size of the current model, no one should care.

Loving the new Bombadier rules, and the change to warp lightning. As it stands there is little choice; you almost always use the energy condenser because the risk-reward is weighed heavily towards reward. Now it's still fun because the risk is still there and it has that 'gambling' element but now the choice is far more tactical as well. Cast other spells first knowing the enemy will either burn their unbind attempts on other spells, while if they save an unbind for warp lightning turn it on them by not using the energy condenser. That is exactly the sort of gameplay one would want out of Skaven and it's really well designed.

Also doing d6 mortals on a 5+ is kind of OP even if you do take the damage on a fail (and don't use a warp spark to re-roll the cast). This is coming from someone who has vaporized many-many foe-things with warp lightning.

New FEC is cool, will wait to see the whole profile. His melee and healing capacity matters a lot, as does if/what they changed how summoning works for them.

You can see his whole card in yesterday's article.

I'm beginning to wonder if GW goes out of their way to research which factions I like best so they can not give them special dice when their update comes around. I would have thought Flesh Eater Courts could do with a couple of extra models like Daughters of Khaine got, but ok. What we have is at least workable. But a versus box and a mirrored release in which the stupid rats get dice and my poor ghouls don't? Thanks, GW...

 TheWaspinator wrote:
How versatile is the zombie dragon kit? Because I'm wondering if "Royal Zombie Dragon" might be a new warscroll like how they created the "bloodseeker palanquin" from the mortis engine / coven throne.

I't been a couple of years since I converted mine, but unless I misremember the kit is not versatile at all. You either build a Terrorgheist or a Zombie Dragon and use the exact parts listed. No options that I recall.

I had to do a good bit of cutting and sculpting to get a decent dragon without throne.

Royal Zombie Dragon is probably a renaming so they can give it different rules than the one in Legions of Nagash.

Honestly, I feel like the only thing that Flesh Eaters were missing was a cheap plastic hero that doesn't offset the building of a boxed set...

And while he isn't available outside of Carrion Empire yet this is a good thing!