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 Rydria wrote:
Is the great unclean one 15 pound more than the other two currently released greater daemons because it has more mass, or because it is newer ?

GUO had an extra normal size sprue compare to the other Greater Demon.

Also newer kit are more expensive yes, because you'll buy it anyway loooooool, well that's what GW think.

Hi guys,

Just in case anyone didn't see we've got a dedicated thread for Warcry now:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/773413.page

(Obviously there will be some overlap, but let's try to discuss it over there )

Voss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:



As a Gloomspite player this is what I'm looking forward to. I'm hoping we see a new plastic Madcap Shaman and a plastic Loonboss on a Giant Cave Squig with this release.

That'd be quite nice, as the old boss on squig is fairly...poor

That would be awesome! Was there any info on timing for this? The whole line is pretty great now with the Notable except of a few heroes like you mentioned . Since those are the easiest to update, hopefully we'll get some

The new KoS is utterly delicious, and that proposed kitbash with Morathi looks fantastic.

I would also just like to register my delight at the way that the reveal trailer's music briefly, sneakily segues into a cover of "Tainted Love", around 23 seconds in...

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the Slaanesh terrain piece, it's not officially announced by features heavily in the video.

 Pumpkin wrote:
The new KoS is utterly delicious, and that proposed kitbash with Morathi looks fantastic.

I would also just like to register my delight at the way that the reveal trailer's music briefly, sneakily segues into a cover of "Tainted Love", around 23 seconds in...

Well spotted, especially since it’s just like the one riff (or maybe I should say “lick” instead, given the subject…).

I hope there is an option without the goat head- it'd be fun to get another stargate option aside from the 40K chaos marines one

Pretty cool terrain piece, do you think if you go through the Slaanesh double-dip gate you come out the chaos stargate and vice-versa, I mean we have two now.

But on a more serious note the new KoS is pretty amazing, don't have any interest in doing Slaanesh but might pick one up for a GUO conversion, I'm thinking
something along the lines of Tsumugi from Knights of Sidonia

Shes pretty cool, and I like the idea of doing a "pretty" Nurgle army.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned the Slaanesh terrain piece, it's not officially announced by features heavily in the video.

More angles:



Looks like a very solid release. I'm going to predict that its demon only, as disappointing as that would be.

 Rydria wrote:
Is the great unclean one 15 pound more than the other two currently released greater daemons because it has more mass, or because it is newer ?

Yes

Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

To be fair you can say that about Tyrion. There's a lot of people in AoS who should be dead but aren't because magic.

pm713 wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

To be fair you can say that about Tyrion. There's a lot of people in AoS who should be dead but aren't because magic.

Well my argument here is that Sigvald should make a return because of this utter humiliating death. No damn troll (propably the smartest troll, granted) should kill the champion of Slaanesh and empty its bowels on his corpse!


If there is ever going to be a new Sigvald model they better model some chopped off trolls heads on it!

Although its been covered, it's worth noting the unannounced slaanesh terrain portal thing solves the treasure rumor engine. Its all around the base

Smellingsalts wrote:
Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

If Slaanesh wanted him back - he will come back, after all his soul is part of the god. I recently read the novel about him which was quite fun

Don't forget Dechala as well - the six armed serpent! Though I think Morathi has stolen that thunder somewhat!

I was never the target demographic, but I would have preferred a Slaanesh aesthetic that was appealing to a larger demographic. Make them all pretty boys or pretty girls ala Juan Diaz sculpts, but make them sensual and appealing.

As it is the KOS would only appeal to bisexual minotaurs.

The current line will have a hard time tempting anybody to give in to a life of excess and sensual pleasure.

Think how great a line of beautiful male or female warriors with feathers and fabulous hair, fancy boots, etc. would look next to the chunky Khorne Meatheads.

 Gallahad wrote:

Think how great a line of beautiful male or female warriors with feathers and fabulous hair, fancy boots, etc. would look next to the chunky Khorne Meatheads.

What if I told you that it already existed:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer?N=2070689437+2863101202&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1553958360000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1553958360000%5D&view=all

The fancy boots aren’t featured extensively, but there are plenty of feathers, and fabulous hair.

 Gallahad wrote:
I was never the target demographic, but I would have preferred a Slaanesh aesthetic that was appealing to a larger demographic. Make them all pretty boys or pretty girls ala Juan Diaz sculpts, but make them sensual and appealing.

As it is the KOS would only appeal to bisexual minotaurs.

The current line will have a hard time tempting anybody to give in to a life of excess and sensual pleasure.

Think how great a line of beautiful male or female warriors with feathers and fabulous hair, fancy boots, etc. would look next to the chunky Khorne Meatheads.

Juan Diaz was the only one who ever made Slaanesh the God of Exotic Pole Dancers. It's a shame that third parties like Creature Caster have latched onto this one interpretation, making mostly sexy super models with claws and horns. Before Juan Diaz, and indeed since, Slaanesh and his/her demons have been portrayed as disturbing and grotesque, yet strangely alluring. Maybe they move a certain way, sound a certain way, and that captures the minds of mortals. Some, like Fiends, emit an irresistable smell. You're not supposed to look at them like you look at a sexy lady and think "That's hot!". That would be... boring as heck. In Slaves to Darkness (the one from -88), the "beauty" of Daemonettes is described as "perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration".

pm713 wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

To be fair you can say that about Tyrion. There's a lot of people in AoS who should be dead but aren't because magic.

Tyrion got better before the end. Being pulled into the Realm of Chaos doesn't necessarily mean death.

I can't explain Teclis though. HE exploded.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I was never the target demographic, but I would have preferred a Slaanesh aesthetic that was appealing to a larger demographic. Make them all pretty boys or pretty girls ala Juan Diaz sculpts, but make them sensual and appealing.

As it is the KOS would only appeal to bisexual minotaurs.

The current line will have a hard time tempting anybody to give in to a life of excess and sensual pleasure.

Think how great a line of beautiful male or female warriors with feathers and fabulous hair, fancy boots, etc. would look next to the chunky Khorne Meatheads.

Juan Diaz was the only one who ever made Slaanesh the God of Exotic Pole Dancers. It's a shame that third parties like Creature Caster have latched onto this one interpretation, making mostly sexy super models with claws and horns. Before Juan Diaz, and indeed since, Slaanesh and his/her demons have been portrayed as disturbing and grotesque, yet strangely alluring. Maybe they move a certain way, sound a certain way, and that captures the minds of mortals. Some, like Fiends, emit an irresistable smell. You're not supposed to look at them like you look at a sexy lady and think "That's hot!". That would be... boring as heck. In Slaves to Darkness (the one from -88), the "beauty" of Daemonettes is described as "perverse and unnatural, and causes loathing rather than admiration".

Slaves to Darkness, you say? The book that also says "Their figures and faces are something like human women, but they have only one breast"? With a good number of drawings of that breast hanging out in the open? That book?

Yyou know what? Maybe we should go back to the good old days and have ourselves models that are faithful to the original background.

Well the current daemonettes' figures & faces are something like human women, and they do only have one breast, so they match fine. Was that the point? I'm not sure I understand.

At any rate, what I like about the diaz sculpts is the posing and sense of lithe, agile creatures. The current daemonettes posed like that would be awesome. Diazmonettes posed like the current ones, on the other hand, would IMO be much worse than either.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well the current daemonettes' figures & faces are something like human women, and they do only have one breast, so they match fine. Was that the point? I'm not sure I understand.

At any rate, what I like about the diaz sculpts is the posing and sense of lithe, agile creatures. The current daemonettes posed like that would be awesome. Diazmonettes posed like the current ones, on the other hand, would IMO be much worse than either.

The point is to try and avoid the kind of selective reading that justifies the current models as they are without mentioning how they deviate from the original portrayal. If eight out of ten plastic Daemonettes did not have their boobs safely tucked inside their corsets, we'd have models closer to the originals. But you don't hear that kind of thing suggested.

Slaves to Darkness has a number of Daemonette illustrations whose faces are pretty much "sexy super model" material, just with saucer eyes that in my opinion don't detract from that. There are also illustrations with (way) more grotesque faces.

I'm not a fan of the Diaz era lesser daemons, with the possible exception of Horrors that to me as someone with little interest in Tzeentch are "close enough", but the idea that Diaz did something unprecedented with his Daemonettes is ridiculous. The material was there a long time before that. Sexy girls with their boobs out and some inhuman elements thrown in is the benchmark, not an aberration.

As for pose, I often lament what has happened to plastic Daemonettes, although Seekers are way worse in that regard. It got really irksome when plastic Witch Elves came out and had super dynamic prancing poses while fitting into regimental formation (and I believe on 20mm bases to boot when Daemonettes had 25mm bases to work with). It's my biggest issue with the current models and the sole reason I'd like to see an update of the models (not that that's going to happen).

The Diaz sculpts are like Daughters of Khaine Witches- acrobatic and they LOOK deadly for a lightly armoured unit. They aren't posing they are dancing/charging at you!




Also interesting observation from someone on TGA forums

Daughters of Khaine have the medusa and masked thing going on, idoneth have Greek hoplite style warriors. Slaanesh has Xerxes and the cow person KoS.

Elves are Greeks and their enemy Slaanesh are the Persians.

The Diaz daemonettes also had the good luck of following these...



... anything looked better than those huge lobster claws

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well the current daemonettes' figures & faces are something like human women, and they do only have one breast, so they match fine. Was that the point? I'm not sure I understand.

At any rate, what I like about the diaz sculpts is the posing and sense of lithe, agile creatures. The current daemonettes posed like that would be awesome. Diazmonettes posed like the current ones, on the other hand, would IMO be much worse than either.

The point is to try and avoid the kind of selective reading that justifies the current models as they are without mentioning how they deviate from the original portrayal. If eight out of ten plastic Daemonettes did not have their boobs safely tucked inside their corsets, we'd have models closer to the originals. But you don't hear that kind of thing suggested.

Slaves to Darkness has a number of Daemonette illustrations whose faces are pretty much "sexy super model" material, just with saucer eyes that in my opinion don't detract from that. There are also illustrations with (way) more grotesque faces.

I'm not a fan of the Diaz era lesser daemons, with the possible exception of Horrors that to me as someone with little interest in Tzeentch are "close enough", but the idea that Diaz did something unprecedented with his Daemonettes is ridiculous. The material was there a long time before that. Sexy girls with their boobs out and some inhuman elements thrown in is the benchmark, not an aberration.

As for pose, I often lament what has happened to plastic Daemonettes, although Seekers are way worse in that regard. It got really irksome when plastic Witch Elves came out and had super dynamic prancing poses while fitting into regimental formation (and I believe on 20mm bases to boot when Daemonettes had 25mm bases to work with). It's my biggest issue with the current models and the sole reason I'd like to see an update of the models (not that that's going to happen).

Ah, I see what you mean. Good points.


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 Ghaz wrote:
The Diaz daemonettes also had the good luck of following these...



... anything looked better than those huge lobster claws

It is indeed hard not to look better than that.

I for one like the direction GW went with the KoS. I do love the CC "not-slaanesh" demons and even the FW KoS but the GW one harkens back to the bovine look of the original metal one.

Also from what I've read in GW novels about Slaanesh is that all Slaanesh demons (not just Fiends who have a rule about it) exude some sort of strong pheromone that dulls one's senses and makes their libidos kick into overdrive.

Like going home with a fat, ugly woman (or guy) after too much drinking. Your friends might see a 1, you see a 9 or even a 10 until the next morning when you see what your friends saw. Of course by then it's too late.

Slaanesh was never about pole dancers. It was excess in all forms. Noise Marines are a perfect example of excess that is non-sexual (although I'm sure there exist people that think sexually of guitars and loud music).

My favorite GD up until now was the LoC/Fateweaver. Now, IMO the KoS edges that kit out.

I'm getting back into 40k and as a long time Chaos player since 2nd edition (demons and marines) I'm excited for what I see. Give me new, updated Berserkers and I'll be a happy clam.

Sotahullu wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
Someone mentioned that they hoped Sigvaald would make it into the new Slaanesh book. Unlikely because he died in the end times, the Troll King (can't remember his name) got sick of him at the siege of Middenheim and smashed his head in. That was in the end times "Archaon" book.

To be fair you can say that about Tyrion. There's a lot of people in AoS who should be dead but aren't because magic.

Well my argument here is that Sigvald should make a return because of this utter humiliating death. No damn troll (propably the smartest troll, granted) should kill the champion of Slaanesh and empty its bowels on his corpse!


If there is ever going to be a new Sigvald model they better model some chopped off trolls heads on it!

There's also the fact that it seems like a vain servants soul who worships Slaanesh is stuck in a mirror in the Nightvault. Which given the description before tended to be very familiar to Sigvald.

I wouldn't want sigvald to return. Its time for new lorr and new champions.

 Ghaz wrote:
The Diaz daemonettes also had the good luck of following these...



... anything looked better than those huge lobster claws

I like the massive lobster claws

Not on everyone and I also like the Diaznettes, so a MIX of beautiful and ugly, grace and grotesque, slicing claws and lobster crabs. It's not like having a fat demonette, a super tall, a very buff one, a pole dancer and a beast(wo)man 'nette and other body type variations would be excessive for, well, the god of excess.

I like the 2nd ed Daemonettes for their stylish hair and because they are the first Daemonette models I ever saw I'm not going to be harsh on them, but I was delighted to see the execution on the plastic kit's claws when it came out. In my mind I immediately drew a comparison with these Daemonettes, not the recent Diaz Daemonettes.

I think the 2nd ed models had poses and claws of that size to evoke the image of cheerleaders with pompoms.