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Stormvault looks expensive but probably fits the current price per sprue,

Forbidden power does seem more expensive than it should be, but it looks to have 5 full sized sprues compared to 4.5 in malign sorcery and an 'extra' book (though are they as thick) ?

Both books (FB and MS) are 88 pages the extra book is just the core rules again so is there much value in it? On a per sprue basis Forbidden Power has more sprues - 6 FB (2 of Soulscream bridge sprues) versus 4.5 in MS - not counting bases so yeah I can see why it would cost more now.

I think I'll skip the Timeworn Ruins and use the base in the Enduring Stormvault with the pillars from the Dias to make a Timeworn Ruins without having to buy it separately. I'll replace the Dias pillars with wedding cake pillars as the circular pillars will work with the Dias. I've had the cake pillars sitting in a box for years - everything eventually finds it's use.

Wow, €70 for the new xpac is far too much. The big terrain piece (the globe thing) in the set is nice but the rest of the spells are pretty lacklustre. The nagash head is the worst and the pyramid smoke things are ok, but they seem to be the same as the bits of terrain that was in the small terrain set for shadespire.
The bridge is nice, but could probably knock something up out of foam and a €20 skulls set (with tons of left overs).

The book would have been nice to add to my collection, but as I only play skirmish, it's a bit too pricey for something I won't use most of the rules it contains.

The new 'modular' terrain still doens't seem very modular to me. Seems that you can build them all in one way, but vary the size of the room and position of the statues/columns. Not at all modular like the necromunda terrain is.
I was really expecting something more like a cross between the necromunda terrain mixed with fantasy/mordheim style gang ways and buildings. Even in this style, that would look good.

Oh well, not an issue. More money saved here means more money to buy more miniatures later on!

 RexHavoc wrote:

The new 'modular' terrain still doens't seem very modular to me. Seems that you can build them all in one way, but vary the size of the room and position of the statues/columns. Not at all modular like the necromunda terrain is.
I was really expecting something more like a cross between the necromunda terrain mixed with fantasy/mordheim style gang ways and buildings. Even in this style, that would look good.

Oh well, not an issue. More money saved here means more money to buy more miniatures later on!

The original Warcry teaser showed a load of terrain that looks to be an expansion of the basic Azyrite ruins with exactly that- gangways and extra building components like bell towers. So I think that is coming separately. This terrain is basically the modern version of the plastic hills GW used to sell, but with more texture and less nature...

It is a bit hard to tell without sprue pics, but some of the images from Warhammer Fest suggest it is a bit more modular than it looks.

The Dias is made up of two halves so at a guess you can put it next to any of the platforms. It seems nice but ultimately a lot of money for what it does. I can see potential for a Warhammer quest use but an entire dungeon would be a lot.

It’s odd that fir most people the smallest rubble pack is probably the most useful .

Forbidden power is a must - it’s a £25 scenerynpiece , £20 of endless spells plus a £15 - £20 book , on preorder it’ll be 20-25% off at independents .

Bit expensive for my taste, but while cool I don't have an actual need for the terrain, so missing out is not a big deal.

Forbidden Power is a bit harder to resist because the bone bridge is plain cool and want to have a mixed Order/Death army for as long as AoS exists (and technically even back in Fantasy). Maybe the General's Handbook will be the better choice for that, though. Still unclear how those two merc rule sets are related.

 Geifer wrote:
Bit expensive for my taste, but while cool I don't have an actual need for the terrain, so missing out is not a big deal.

Forbidden Power is a bit harder to resist because the bone bridge is plain cool and want to have a mixed Order/Death army for as long as AoS exists (and technically even back in Fantasy). Maybe the General's Handbook will be the better choice for that, though. Still unclear how those two merc rule sets are related.

You're probably better off buying the bridge form eBay then.

I really wanted to buy Forbidden Power but that price... I really don't think I can justify it. Think I'll have to give it a miss. Crying shame.

The book from Malign sorcery is available to buy through the app for £20. I am sure they will do the same for forbidden power.

Chikout wrote:
The book from Malign sorcery is available to buy through the app for £20. I am sure they will do the same for forbidden power.

This would be ideal. Cheers for the pointer.

Foridden Power: The Lore on Warhammer Community.

 Ghaz wrote:
Foridden Power: The Lore on Warhammer Community.

Kraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaken!

I find this whole thing interesting.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Foridden Power: The Lore on Warhammer Community.

Spoiler:

Kraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaken!

I find this whole thing interesting.

Return of Dreadfleet confirmed

If you like Krakens go read "Heart of Ice" Novella - the Scourge Privateers are running around with city-ships nestled atop the backs of Krakens. So that one in the art above, that's a baby kracken!

 Overread wrote:
If you like Krakens go read "Heart of Ice" Novella - the Scourge Privateers are running around with city-ships nestled atop the backs of Krakens. So that one in the art above, that's a baby kracken!

Oh I'm aware.

And the Krakens are nothing compared to what the Nautilar Enclave of Idoneth are settled on; the back of a continent sized sea slug.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Foridden Power: The Lore on Warhammer Community.

Spoiler:

Kraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaken!

I find this whole thing interesting.

Anyone else think those two look incredibly similar to a certain couple of Dreadfleet ships?

That was my immediate thought, yes. I actually assumed it was reused art.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Stormvault looks expensive but probably fits the current price per sprue,

Forbidden power does seem more expensive than it should be, but it looks to have 5 full sized sprues compared to 4.5 in malign sorcery and an 'extra' book (though are they as thick) ?

The sprues on Forbidden Power do not look like full size to me.

I'm interested to learn what Teclis has to do with the story and why exactly it was easy to reverse his Teclispedias, unfortunately, the price is too high for me.

The spells seem to have movement shenanigans which are something I generally want, however, I'll need to invest into Skaven expansion and saving. Don't want to be caught off guard when Hysh elves are dropped out of the blue.

So.. The artwork was only slaanesh?

No, Slaanesh's bonds being weakened by the Necroquake is established in the Hedonites battletome. She's not in a Stormvault.

That kraken looks like like the chaos dwarf ship from Dreadfleet (though its in the stereotypical kraken pose and thats the only real similarity)

Aaaaaaaaaand I’m already hearing that Forbidden Power (and Kill Team) is being allocated. Hopefully it’s better than the one per store we got out of Looncurse.

Forbidden Power doesn't seem to grab me story wise as much as Malign Sorcery. With death themed endless spells and the story largely being about storm vaults and specifically those in one realm (Shyish), it's nothing like the variety of endless spells and realm artefacts and all sorts of realm stuff from Malign Sorcery.

 Ahtman wrote:
So do we think Looncurse is just going to be this one run or?

One and done, same as Carrion Empire. GW likes to try to blame a lost ship or shipment like an episode of lost... but it sounds like any other excuse they have come up with.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
So do we think Looncurse is just going to be this one run or?

One and done, same as Carrion Empire. GW likes to try to blame a lost ship or shipment like an episode of lost... but it sounds like any other excuse they have come up with.

They never blamed a lost shipment. The Sylvaneth battletome is delayed because of shipping, but Looncurse they underestimated demand.

TBH I've not seen GW officially try to blame anything for Looncurse selling out, closest I've seen was a question on Warhammer TV where the response was they'd tried to forecast demand. I dunno about the US but here there were multiple retailers still taking preorders day after they went up and various GW store pages showed stock for purchase on release day.

Maybe people need to look further than Element Games (who somehow sold out with a few minutes) ?

I see a few comments above someone mentioned allocations . Again, outside the UK I'm guessing you get stiffed on stuff like this? I was easily able to get several from a small store and that wasn't his whole order.

It’s absolutely an issue outside the UK.

Perhaps there isn't any "blame" for Looncurse and Carrion Empire selling out.

Consider that early runs of the duel boxes were released and then had months (genetealers had half a year) before both armies within them had battletomes. This means that the launch sales of those boxes likely had slightly lower sales rates because people starting new armies or rebooting armies they weren't currently playing with, were not as hyped up.

This left GW with more stock sitting over which they've either had to pay to store or they've had more than one production run of the boxes as well as. Now both of this can lead to GW having situations ilke with Wrath and Rapture where all the individual models within the duel box are on retail sale, but the duel boxes with their discount are still on sale too. Stunting the sale of the new releases.

So GW counters this by two aspects. First they produce less in a box run and/or only produce one run of the box. Second they release the box alongside or within a week or two of Battletomes for the armies within the duel box.

The result is a fever pitch of sales which fast burns through all the stock. If GW is also producing less stock then its burning through their estimations (which might well have been based on sales of the previous duel boxes).



From GW's point of view boxed sets that sell out are good things because it means that they have not over-estimated demand. They are not left sitting on stock and their product has recouped its investment within a very fast period of time. That's all good for GW, the only downside is potential lost sales due to lack of supply.

Now this latter point they might well counter by now starting to produce more in the duel boxes in the future or they might accelerate the delivery of individual new models within the duel boxes to market.

Because of the way production is setup it's likely that we will see a lag-time on GW making policy changes, esp as these are not emergencies, so they are free to take their time. Loon and Carrion have shown them new patterns so they might well now adapt the next boxed set delivery as a result.



It's all a balancing act for GW, baring in mind that they are only just keeping on top of production demand.

If GW estimated to sell less than 1 Looncurse per store, they have no faith in the product and it begs the question why are they even allocating manufacturing resources to something they think won't sell.