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 Kanluwen wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.

He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.

...I never implied he was. Just gave an opinion on aesthetics. Ok, I'll phrase it differently; "wings trailing a shadowy mist behind them". Is that less earth-shatteringly lore breaking?

Morathi

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/20/daughters-khaine-part-2-morathi-shadow-queen/

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.

He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.

...I never implied he was. Just gave an opinion on aesthetics. Ok, I'll phrase it differently; "wings trailing a shadowy mist behind them". Is that less earth-shatteringly lore breaking?

Not saying your idea was "lorebreaking" or anything.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you wanted them to play upon a thing that he isn't really?
If I misunderstood you--apologies. I'm, personally, a fan of the design as it makes for an interesting twist on an Incarnate from the World That Was.


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zamerion wrote:
Morathi

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/20/daughters-khaine-part-2-morathi-shadow-queen/

Worth noting for those who can't read the article at the moment, that is for her "Shadow Form"--aka the massive snake.

They didn't give stats for her Oracle form.
She has this though:

and this is her Command Ability:


It suggests that her Command Ability changes with her form.

 Nova_Impero wrote:

I wonder if Tyrion and Teclis will get new models?

Oh definitely, we can probably even infer their gameplay gimmick will have something to do with their duality.

Thats all in the abstract though so far, I think they're doing these godly releases once a year?

 Kanluwen wrote:


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zamerion wrote:
Morathi

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/20/daughters-khaine-part-2-morathi-shadow-queen/

Worth noting for those who can't read the article at the moment, that is for her "Shadow Form"--aka the massive snake.

They didn't give stats for her Oracle form.
She has this though:

and this is her Command Ability:


It suggests that her Command Ability changes with her form.

I like that it'll take at least 4 turns to kill her off (depending on the stats of her Oracle form and how her transformation works). I don't think we've seen any defensive abilities like that so far. I wonder what her wounded table looks like. So far, that's a pretty solid stat line.

 Aesthete wrote:
I like how Tyrion and Teclis "tried" to create Aelven races of their own. That implies the possibility of all kinds of things going wrong...

It wasn't just them.

Morathi, having escaped the god’s clutches through magical means, helped weave the enchantment that caught Slaanesh, with Malerion, Teclis and Tyrion – ancient aelven warriors reborn as Gods of this new age – also providing aid. Together, they were able to free the aelven souls within Slaanesh, and each was rewarded with a portion to shape as they wished. Combining powerful magic with the sacrifice of her own blood, Morathi forged a new aelven race, and the Melusai and the Khinerai are the first among them.

Nova_Impero wrote:Ur-Phoenix is not a God Beast. I don't think we have a lot of information what that is.

Firestorm claims it's a godbeast venerated by the aelves as the avatar of the righteous vengeance.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.

He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.

...I never implied he was. Just gave an opinion on aesthetics. Ok, I'll phrase it differently; "wings trailing a shadowy mist behind them". Is that less earth-shatteringly lore breaking?

Not saying your idea was "lorebreaking" or anything.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you wanted them to play upon a thing that he isn't really?
If I misunderstood you--apologies. I'm, personally, a fan of the design as it makes for an interesting twist on an Incarnate from the World That Was.

So how corporeal he is depends on his emotional state (albeit via his own will)? So, by definition, he is also incorporeal at times? Not being a pedantic dick (much), just very aware that there are gaps in my knowledge of the newer setting. Plus; are you saying that the God of Shadow isn't very...'shadowy'? I'd have though that's the one theme they absolutely have to play on. I love the idea of his body forming itself out of a dark mist; which, kinda goes with your comment about his 'solidifying'. Sorry, I'm just confused about how what you said actually contradicted what I described (as it basically reinforced it if anything)?

Aesthetics are all subjective (and the joy of internet means those opinions will polarise) so I'm glad you like the prospective design. Wish I did (though I could say that for just about every AOS design up until the Daughters of Khaine).

I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...

Thats busted. To have such a monster taking max 4 turns to put down (Or two killing her in meele)... wow. I hope her degrading table is very punishing to balance that out.

 Nova_Impero wrote:

 Knight wrote:
Considering how GW is producing big center piece models, I'd think it's almost a certainty to see new models for Teclis, Tyrion and Malerion.

Anyone knows why Ur-Phoenix isn't counted among the pantheon? Isn't it supposed to be a god beast?

Ur-Phoenix is not a God Beast. I don't think we have a lot of information what that is.

Yeah, I think the aelven pantheon as presented here is just the ex-elves characters amongst the new Order's pantheon of Sigmar.

Indeed, only Dracothion has been mentioned as a direct part of Sigmar's team, the other known godbeasts are more wild, unaligned forces of nature, or corrupted monsters (like Argentine).

And yes the Ur-phoenix is a godbeast, see Grand Alliance : Order, page 198.

independent rules for the statue of khaine (without cauldron)???

Also, new models in the background, yes?

zamerion wrote:


independent rules for the statue of khaine (without cauldron)???

Yeah, that was already confirmed in yesterdays article. I was always amazed it never had rules in the Dark Elf book. It always seemed odd to just be a sort of nothing piece if you built the Bloodwrack Shrine rather than the Cauldron.

Captain Joystick wrote:I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...

It looks like she benefits from the heart in both forms, so she can only lose 3 wounds per turn regardless.

Galas wrote:Thats busted. To have such a monster taking max 4 turns to put down (Or two killing her in meele)... wow. I hope her degrading table is very punishing to balance that out.

I don't see how that's any more broken than any other defensive ability, especially since, if I'm reading the ability correctly, she can't be healed by any means. How "broken" she is will depend on her cost, and I'd assume here to be somewhere in the neighborhood of Allarielle's cost, so over 300 points. Also, how is she more vulnerable in melee? I don't see anything to suggest that.



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independent rules for the statue of khaine (without cauldron)???

Is that new terrain in the background?

@Entyme

Unless I'm missing something turn is normally player turn. So you could in theory do 6 wounds to her a turn if you did 3 in her combat phase and 3 in yours.

I think it's a fine defensive ability. And it means that most people are going to put 3 wounds on her turn 1 if they can to force her to change up for turn 2. I'm assuming if she dies in form 1 without shifting to form 2 then she dead. Not just auto shifted to form 2 with 6 wounds left.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.

Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !

As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.

Yeah, but after watching the Phil Kelly video the whole thing bothers me. Why? What's the point? Why she simply doesn't build her own religion, like the other 5 elven gods, but lies and pretends Khaine still exists? It makes no sense considering A) how vain she is, which should make her demand worship directly, not by proxy, B ) the fact that in AoS gods walk the land and talk freely to worshipers, which really should make someone question why Khaine doesn't do the same, C) the fact order pantheon is under siege and needs all the allies they can get, which should lead Sigmar, Tyrion, and the rest of the band wonder where this supposed god is and ask how they might contact him to inquire if he won't help.

The whole affair sounds like OotS Nale's 'needlessly complicated' shtick, as it gives Morathi nothing, except maybe deniability (from who/what, though?), but risks exploding in her face all the time if the zealots and fanatics of fake god under her ever learn the whole thing was a scam and decided to do something about it...

Because Morathi is and was Warhammers biggest dick. Her whole thing has always been manipulation for her own amusement. Think Neferata but dialled up to a 100. And I imagine she can get a lot more soul boost from the idea of a dead god then telling everyone to directly worship her. Also it can give her a get out clause by blaming an absent god if anything goes wrong than having it all rest on her.

 EnTyme wrote:

Captain Joystick wrote:I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...

It looks like she benefits from the heart in both forms, so she can only lose 3 wounds per turn regardless.

Right, but they only guarantee that the heart will keep her from losing all her wounds in one turn, which can mean she could have anywhere between four and six in her baby form.

@Hulksmash I always interpret "turn" to be "game turn" unless it specifically states "player turn." Could definitely use an FAQ on that one. I may send it to the FAQ email. I'm also interested in seeing if the "reactive" change occurs immediately after taking damage (so potentially in your opponent's turn) or in your next hero phase following the damage.

@Captain Joystick The article states she has 6 wounds in Oracle form.

 Irbis wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.

Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !

As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.

Yeah, but after watching the Phil Kelly video the whole thing bothers me. Why? What's the point? Why she simply doesn't build her own religion, like the other 5 elven gods, but lies and pretends Khaine still exists? It makes no sense considering A) how vain she is, which should make her demand worship directly, not by proxy, B ) the fact that in AoS gods walk the land and talk freely to worshipers, which really should make someone question why Khaine doesn't do the same, C) the fact order pantheon is under siege and needs all the allies they can get, which should lead Sigmar, Tyrion, and the rest of the band wonder where this supposed god is and ask how they might contact him to inquire if he won't help.

The whole affair sounds like OotS Nale's 'needlessly complicated' shtick, as it gives Morathi nothing, except maybe deniability (from who/what, though?), but risks exploding in her face all the time if the zealots and fanatics of fake god under her ever learn the whole thing was a scam and decided to do something about it...

Because Morathi is NOT a God. She wants to become one, I don't know exactly whats makes you a God instead of a very powerfull and magical individual but she is not one. And about the B) point, Khaine is a dead God, thats why his worshippers want to revive him, and nobody expect him to manifest himself. And by the lore we have now, it could actually happen, for Khaine to resurrect, but as long as Morathi has his heart and uses his to empowerll herself, thats isn't gonna happen.

Now, we can ask, how exactly do the people of Age of Sigmar even know who Khaine is? I don't know. Why didn't Morathi started a cult around his own figure? Maybe because as she isn't a God people wouldn't follow her.

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 Galas wrote:
Because Morathi is NOT a God. She wants to become one, I don't know exactly whats makes you a God instead of a very powerfull and magical individual but she is not one. And about the B) point, Khaine is a dead God, thats why his worshippers want to revive him, and nobody expect him to manifest himself. And by the lore we have now, it could actually happen, for Khaine to resurrect, but as long as Morathi has his heart and uses his to empowerll herself, thats isn't gonna happen.

Vetock even hinted , if I heard correctly, that this could actually happen (Khaine being revived) depending on how the campaign goes.

Yeah and given that the main aelven gods now are Tyrion-Teclis (too light-y) and Maelrion (no more friends they are), Morathi probably needed something of her own, a puppet, to act as a religious cult. Why not resurrect the good old Khaine worship to 1. have an older god than her son to worship, thus giving her a greater legitimacy as Khaine was Malekith's god once, and 2. have in fact a way to secretly steel the worship for her (because she can ensure, with the Iron Heart, that Khaine won't ever really come back).

Cunning Morathi !

 EnTyme wrote:
@Hulksmash I always interpret "turn" to be "game turn" unless it specifically states "player turn." Could definitely use an FAQ on that one. I may send it to the FAQ email. I'm also interested in seeing if the "reactive" change occurs immediately after taking damage (so potentially in your opponent's turn) or in your next hero phase following the damage.

Doesn't need a FAQ.

Warhammer: Age of Sigmar is played in a
series of battle rounds, each of which is split
into two turns – one for each player.

It's right in the core rules.

 EnTyme wrote:


Is that new terrain in the background?

Looks like one of the old WHFB kits. The Eternity stair IIRC. I think one or both of the old tower kits were in the background to the Malign portents promos as well. So fingers crossed for some more rereleases in the future.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:


Is that new terrain in the background?

Looks like one of the old WHFB kits. The Eternity stair IIRC. I think one or both of the old tower kits were in the background to the Malign portents promos as well. So fingers crossed for some more rereleases in the future.

Agreed.

 EnTyme wrote:

Captain Joystick wrote:I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...

It looks like she benefits from the heart in both forms, so she can only lose 3 wounds per turn regardless.

Galas wrote:Thats busted. To have such a monster taking max 4 turns to put down (Or two killing her in meele)... wow. I hope her degrading table is very punishing to balance that out.

I don't see how that's any more broken than any other defensive ability, especially since, if I'm reading the ability correctly, she can't be healed by any means. How "broken" she is will depend on her cost, and I'd assume here to be somewhere in the neighborhood of Allarielle's cost, so over 300 points. Also, how is she more vulnerable in melee? I don't see anything to suggest that.

She’s gonna be fearing Skarbrand. His total carnage ability ignores ALL abilities that lower amounts of wounds or prevent them. If he’s on the table, she’d better stay away. Or she’ll be an expensive snakeskin boot.

Are the half-snake half elf archers in the background new though?

 BrookM wrote:
Are the half-snake half elf archers in the background new though?

Yep! They got previewed at the Las Vegas Open with the initial teaser, but we haven't seen anything more about them.

 BrookM wrote:
Are the half-snake half elf archers in the background new though?

Yes, they're new. If they're not in the Daughters of Khaine section of the online store then they're a new kit.