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From discussion on TGA, a little round-up of what we know so far regarding new Death releases (and new Nighthaunt) :

Rumors before Adepticon 2018 : a new Black Coach, a new starter set for AOS 2.0 pitting a as-yet unopened Stormcast Chamber (Ruination / Sacrosanct) against a Death army : the Nighthaunt.

News at Adepticon regarding Death releases :

- A teaser of the Black Coach, looking bigger than the last one (because plastic and - apprently - not 2 but 4 horses). The video ends with "The dead rise... Soon" ; a reference to many Death releases IMO, not "just" one new model.

- A teaser of the next 2 Shadespire "season 2" warbands : apparently, a new kind of Nighthaunt spirit ("hangman") and Wizard-y Stormcast (pointy helmet and magic scepters). This totally fits the content of the rumored AOS 2.0 Starter set (also, the first 2 Shadespire "season 1" warbands were from the AOS 1.0 starter set).

- Some Malign Portents stories are Nighthaunt focused, notably the 21st and the 23rd (today's story : it describes a new type of Nighthaunt spirit " a hunched thing, huge and lambent, festooned with rattling manacles and weighted chain" with an interesting weapon against Stormcast souls* (go read it !).

Note that "Souls War", out June-July, is apparently talking about the war of Nagash and Sigmar following the MP fluff. We know that the Gods are constantly fighting over their followers' souls*. Like a "Gate of Azyr" 2.0, J. Reynold's book seems perfect to go along a new starter set !

So I think we'll get by the Summer :

- A starter set with Nighthaunt models in it (I hope new, dedicated figures, not a set Ala Blightwar).

- A Shadespire Nighthaunt warband (almost a given, going by the Faction logo top right of the WHU teased card).

- A full Nighthaunt army, with Battletome, new Heroes like the MP story's ghast, new units like Black Coach and the "hangman" ghasts, etc. Also, lots of Rumors Engine have recently been quite "spectral". And more : the last 2 "true" AOS Death releases (i.e. The End Time : Nagash and the Knight Of Shrouds) were conceptually heavily "spectral" too. Finally there is lots of Nighthaunt / Wraith artworks in MP campaign book around the Knight Of Shourds (logical situation given its faction - also around Nagash's throne on the LoN cover).

I counted the Sigmar priest as human, yeah. He's supposed to be tall and he IS beefy compared to older Fantasy plastic hummies, but he's not as giant as the other "giant among men" dudes, the Slaughterpriests and the Bloodsecrator. I'm not sure if the Darkoath heros should count, as they run on Chaos juice as well. Cannibalism fueled Reavers, Deathbringers and the Bloodstoker as well as warform-rocking acolytes obviously don't count.

But as was said before, a SP looks so much more imposing and unbelievably huuuge when stood next to a flagellant. I'm really interested in seeing the Deepkin next to older elves, the witch elves have a good size to contrast with Stormcasts, Brutes and Chaos dudes and are supposedly from the same design phase as the Melusai and Khinerai who are much larger looking thanks to tails or wings.

Horses making a comeback would make me sooo happy, especially in the quality of gryph-chargers. I'm a knight fanboy. I don't understand how they could kill Bretonnia, surely Aos crazyness plus grail pilgrims = a cathedral firing mega trebuchet protected by reliquiary knights, burning-with-mystical-fire grail knights, even more Pegasi and a giant hippogriff kit?! Sigh. Even Empire knights were killed off for demi-gryph knights. They're a cool concept with lacklustre sculpts, but having regular or - even better - updated knights would be much more to my liking.

Hippo drakes, okay, bird zebras, cool, giant uggo boars, mhm, disfigured overblinged Chaos quadrupeds, eh, I want HEAVY HORSE units.

Knights in pseudo tournament plate with a heavy fantasy Renaissance look, a combination of the ocean cloak elf with fish armour and the greatswords, drool. Or medival knights more like the Green Knight (M2O him, please GW).

Sigh.

/disappointed Bret player

 Binabik15 wrote:
I counted the Sigmar priest as human, yeah. He's supposed to be tall and he IS beefy compared to older Fantasy plastic hummies, but he's not as giant as the other "giant among men" dudes, the Slaughterpriests and the Bloodsecrator. I'm not sure if the Darkoath heros should count, as they run on Chaos juice as well. Cannibalism fueled Reavers, Deathbringers and the Bloodstoker as well as warform-rocking acolytes obviously don't count.

But as was said before, a SP looks so much more imposing and unbelievably huuuge when stood next to a flagellant. I'm really interested in seeing the Deepkin next to older elves, the witch elves have a good size to contrast with Stormcasts, Brutes and Chaos dudes and are supposedly from the same design phase as the Melusai and Khinerai who are much larger looking thanks to tails or wings.

Horses making a comeback would make me sooo happy, especially in the quality of gryph-chargers. I'm a knight fanboy. I don't understand how they could kill Bretonnia, surely Aos crazyness plus grail pilgrims = a cathedral firing mega trebuchet protected by reliquiary knights, burning-with-mystical-fire grail knights, even more Pegasi and a giant hippogriff kit?! Sigh. Even Empire knights were killed off for demi-gryph knights. They're a cool concept with lacklustre sculpts, but having regular or - even better - updated knights would be much more to my liking.

Hippo drakes, okay, bird zebras, cool, giant uggo boars, mhm, disfigured overblinged Chaos quadrupeds, eh, I want HEAVY HORSE units.

Knights in pseudo tournament plate with a heavy fantasy Renaissance look, a combination of the ocean cloak elf with fish armour and the greatswords, drool. Or medival knights more like the Green Knight (M2O him, please GW).

Sigh.

/disappointed Bret player

Not here yet - but there is a whole kinghtly order of Nurgle which is corrupted Bretonians http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Fly

Enosh wrote:

 skullking wrote:
These Deepkin look excellent! I'm really happy at how GW has spun AoS into something very different from a LotR/D&D style fantasy game, to something very much it's own new(ish) take on fantasy.

It's almost as though they looked at what things they'd made for the previous WaFaBa armies which sort of broke those stereotypes, and expanded them into their own armies.

honestly, just looks like WoW to me, not saying there is anything wrong with it, but it's not that unique

Considering when they made the original Warcraft game, Blizzard approached GW to make it actually a Warhammer Fantasy game, that is a bit ironic (and a bad move for GW turning them down at the time... ). To be fair, there are certainly similarities between WoW and AoS, but there is a lot that's different too.

Not to 'swim' (slightly on topic) too far off topic. But I was wondering if some of the folks who were particularly not fans of the style AoS has created, are/or were people who enjoyed playing WaFaBa in 'Low' fantasy mode. I recall reading a white dwarf article about it many years ago, and while it didn't appeal to me at all (I love lots of big magic, and weird big ol beasties), it's not really something that's as easy to do with the new AoS models/armies. For those who don't know, 'Low Fantasy' is essentially using very basic troops (no trolls, or dragon ogres, or tree men), low level wizards, and no 'BIG' magic items, and no one riding anything more exciting than a horse (or racial equivalent of a basic cavalry beast). AoS kind of throws that out the window, there are basic troops to a degree, but they're pretty high fantasy (witch elves, mohawk fire dwarves, Bloated plague warriors). I could see old school WaFaBa players who liked the flexibility of the game to scale between Low & High fantasy feeling a bit left behind for sure.

And now, back on topic!!!
I will probably get one of those cool Giganto Turtles for my Chaos Dwarves to fly around on. I enjoy finding cool beasties for my CD horde. Also, speaking of 'HORDES', It would make a cool alt model for the Skorne Animantarax, assuming it's around the same size.

So, is the pre order date 14th April confirmed ??

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So, is the pre order date 14th April confirmed ??

At the moment I'm expecting the Dark Eldar codex to be out on the 14th and they don't tend to put a big pre-order up the same week as a big release.

 Imateria wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So, is the pre order date 14th April confirmed ??

At the moment I'm expecting the Dark Eldar codex to be out on the 14th and they don't tend to put a big pre-order up the same week as a big release.

Dark Eldar aren't supposed to be a "big release". And it being "out" on the 14th would mean it goes for preorder on the 7th.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So, is the pre order date 14th April confirmed ??

At the moment I'm expecting the Dark Eldar codex to be out on the 14th and they don't tend to put a big pre-order up the same week as a big release.

Dark Eldar aren't supposed to be a "big release". And it being "out" on the 14th would mean it goes for preorder on the 7th.

And yet none of that disproves what I just said, I don't think we've seen a major model release go up for pre-order the same week as a codex goes on sale. Most likely for marketing reasons.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I counted the Sigmar priest as human, yeah. He's supposed to be tall and he IS beefy compared to older Fantasy plastic hummies, but he's not as giant as the other "giant among men" dudes, the Slaughterpriests and the Bloodsecrator. I'm not sure if the Darkoath heros should count, as they run on Chaos juice as well. Cannibalism fueled Reavers, Deathbringers and the Bloodstoker as well as warform-rocking acolytes obviously don't count.

But as was said before, a SP looks so much more imposing and unbelievably huuuge when stood next to a flagellant. I'm really interested in seeing the Deepkin next to older elves, the witch elves have a good size to contrast with Stormcasts, Brutes and Chaos dudes and are supposedly from the same design phase as the Melusai and Khinerai who are much larger looking thanks to tails or wings.

Horses making a comeback would make me sooo happy, especially in the quality of gryph-chargers. I'm a knight fanboy. I don't understand how they could kill Bretonnia, surely Aos crazyness plus grail pilgrims = a cathedral firing mega trebuchet protected by reliquiary knights, burning-with-mystical-fire grail knights, even more Pegasi and a giant hippogriff kit?! Sigh. Even Empire knights were killed off for demi-gryph knights. They're a cool concept with lacklustre sculpts, but having regular or - even better - updated knights would be much more to my liking.

Hippo drakes, okay, bird zebras, cool, giant uggo boars, mhm, disfigured overblinged Chaos quadrupeds, eh, I want HEAVY HORSE units.

Knights in pseudo tournament plate with a heavy fantasy Renaissance look, a combination of the ocean cloak elf with fish armour and the greatswords, drool. Or medival knights more like the Green Knight (M2O him, please GW).

Sigh.

/disappointed Bret player

Not here yet - but there is a whole kinghtly order of Nurgle which is corrupted Bretonians http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Fly

I'm building an army for them. Well, I did one knight so far, my Gutrot's Reaver still need some conversions first

I'm just unsure about the army list, seeing how knights are supposedly a looot better than Blight Kings in Plague Garden I'd have to basically use Varanguard knights as sllies to represent "proper" knights and chaos knights would have to be mounted sergeants and hedge knights. Still mulling over list building.


The Avatar elf with his fish scale armour would be a goooood base for a conversion and the eels nice for fishy Pusgoyle Blightlords, btw.

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So they are elves that hate other elves. I approve.
Would have been nice if they were Deep Ones, but eh, its fine.

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I counted the Sigmar priest as human, yeah. He's supposed to be tall and he IS beefy compared to older Fantasy plastic hummies, but he's not as giant as the other "giant among men" dudes, the Slaughterpriests and the Bloodsecrator. I'm not sure if the Darkoath heros should count, as they run on Chaos juice as well. Cannibalism fueled Reavers, Deathbringers and the Bloodstoker as well as warform-rocking acolytes obviously don't count.

But as was said before, a SP looks so much more imposing and unbelievably huuuge when stood next to a flagellant. I'm really interested in seeing the Deepkin next to older elves, the witch elves have a good size to contrast with Stormcasts, Brutes and Chaos dudes and are supposedly from the same design phase as the Melusai and Khinerai who are much larger looking thanks to tails or wings.

Horses making a comeback would make me sooo happy, especially in the quality of gryph-chargers. I'm a knight fanboy. I don't understand how they could kill Bretonnia, surely Aos crazyness plus grail pilgrims = a cathedral firing mega trebuchet protected by reliquiary knights, burning-with-mystical-fire grail knights, even more Pegasi and a giant hippogriff kit?! Sigh. Even Empire knights were killed off for demi-gryph knights. They're a cool concept with lacklustre sculpts, but having regular or - even better - updated knights would be much more to my liking.

Hippo drakes, okay, bird zebras, cool, giant uggo boars, mhm, disfigured overblinged Chaos quadrupeds, eh, I want HEAVY HORSE units.

Knights in pseudo tournament plate with a heavy fantasy Renaissance look, a combination of the ocean cloak elf with fish armour and the greatswords, drool. Or medival knights more like the Green Knight (M2O him, please GW).

Sigh.

/disappointed Bret player

Not here yet - but there is a whole kinghtly order of Nurgle which is corrupted Bretonians http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Fly

I'm building an army for them. Well, I did one knight so far, my Gutrot's Reaver still need some conversions first

I'm just unsure about the army list, seeing how knights are supposedly a looot better than Blight Kings in Plague Garden I'd have to basically use Varanguard knights as sllies to represent "proper" knights and chaos knights would have to be mounted sergeants and hedge knights. Still mulling over list building.


The Avatar elf with his fish scale armour would be a goooood base for a conversion and the eels nice for fishy Pusgoyle Blightlords, btw.

The Order of the Fly is composed of Blightkings. Some of the named characters are indeed stronger because they are equivalent to hero models and would have profiles like a Lord of Plagues or Lord of Blights (one could say with their own artifacts/command traits mixed in too).

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I counted the Sigmar priest as human, yeah. He's supposed to be tall and he IS beefy compared to older Fantasy plastic hummies, but he's not as giant as the other "giant among men" dudes, the Slaughterpriests and the Bloodsecrator. I'm not sure if the Darkoath heros should count, as they run on Chaos juice as well. Cannibalism fueled Reavers, Deathbringers and the Bloodstoker as well as warform-rocking acolytes obviously don't count.

But as was said before, a SP looks so much more imposing and unbelievably huuuge when stood next to a flagellant. I'm really interested in seeing the Deepkin next to older elves, the witch elves have a good size to contrast with Stormcasts, Brutes and Chaos dudes and are supposedly from the same design phase as the Melusai and Khinerai who are much larger looking thanks to tails or wings.

Horses making a comeback would make me sooo happy, especially in the quality of gryph-chargers. I'm a knight fanboy. I don't understand how they could kill Bretonnia, surely Aos crazyness plus grail pilgrims = a cathedral firing mega trebuchet protected by reliquiary knights, burning-with-mystical-fire grail knights, even more Pegasi and a giant hippogriff kit?! Sigh. Even Empire knights were killed off for demi-gryph knights. They're a cool concept with lacklustre sculpts, but having regular or - even better - updated knights would be much more to my liking.

Hippo drakes, okay, bird zebras, cool, giant uggo boars, mhm, disfigured overblinged Chaos quadrupeds, eh, I want HEAVY HORSE units.

Knights in pseudo tournament plate with a heavy fantasy Renaissance look, a combination of the ocean cloak elf with fish armour and the greatswords, drool. Or medival knights more like the Green Knight (M2O him, please GW).

Sigh.

/disappointed Bret player

Not here yet - but there is a whole kinghtly order of Nurgle which is corrupted Bretonians http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Fly

I'm building an army for them. Well, I did one knight so far, my Gutrot's Reaver still need some conversions first

I'm just unsure about the army list, seeing how knights are supposedly a looot better than Blight Kings in Plague Garden I'd have to basically use Varanguard knights as sllies to represent "proper" knights and chaos knights would have to be mounted sergeants and hedge knights. Still mulling over list building.


The Avatar elf with his fish scale armour would be a goooood base for a conversion and the eels nice for fishy Pusgoyle Blightlords, btw.

Sweet look forward to seeing those! They are very characterful in the novels. I tend to agree that the maggotkin book does not really capture them.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So they are elves that hate other elves. I approve.

Well, the example given is the Daughters of Khaine. And I suspect that pretty much *all* of the other elves don't get along with that particular group.

dogfender wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those are some nice models. If I weren't still annoyed at them for killing off the old world, I probably would have gotten them.

If you're so mad at them still you shouldn't even be putting yourself through the ringer looking at their new product much less still voicing your disgust for the changes the company made that were for the betterment of their company. either get over it and get back in and enjoy the hobby or stop garbage posting please.

there is a difference in saying you dislike the aesthetic of the models or wishing the models included something like a giant crab (weird they wouldnt include something like that) and saying you like them but screw GW for what they did.

It may be time for you to move on to another thing.

I agree. It is probably time for you to move on from complaining about other peoples' posts.

Intriguing. Lore of light and a monster that we haven't seen yet?

Eumerin wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So they are elves that hate other elves. I approve.

Well, the example given is the Daughters of Khaine. And I suspect that pretty much *all* of the other elves don't get along with that particular group.

Many in the Realms are nervous or suspicious of the DoK but many more respect their skill at arms and they have proved themsleves in battle against Chaos on quite a few occasions. I suspect that opinion of indivdual Elves will vary as much as anyone else.

One Sect of the DOK are also very popular in the cities of Sigmar due to thier gladatorial exhibiitons.

The enemy of my enemty and all that - and the DoK that were attacked by the Deepkin were on thier way to assist the Sylvaneth.

I think the mention of Deepkin attacking DoK is because there's a blurb in the latter's battletome mentioning it that we already knew about. At the moment I wouldn't read too much into it.

I'm out of touch with fantasy, Teclis made a whole race of people? Thought he was a highelf wizard type?

 SJM wrote:
I'm out of touch with fantasy, Teclis made a whole race of people? Thought he was a highelf wizard type?

Not any more. One of the themes of AOS is the heroes of the old world becoming gods in the new, so Tyrion, Teclis, Alarielle, Malerion (Malekith) and Nagash are all gods now.

Chikout wrote:

 SJM wrote:
I'm out of touch with fantasy, Teclis made a whole race of people? Thought he was a highelf wizard type?

Not any more. One of the themes of AOS is the heroes of the old world becoming gods in the new, so Tyrion, Teclis, Alarielle, Malerion (Malekith) and Nagash are all gods now.

Oh right, thanks for that, has Teclis gone bad? making a new race seems a bit extreme.

Nah, it had looked a necessity at the time because most of the elf race was missing. (Slaanesh consumed most of their souls, the release of which resulted in the twisted Daughters of Khaine)

So you have the fewer regular elves that settled the mortal planes but still managed to replenish their numbers and build kingdoms during the Age of Myth between Tyrion, Malerion (Malekith) and Alarielle worshippers, elves freed from Slaanesh that follow Morathi and now the Deepkin who were Teclis's attempt to make up for his diminished race at the start.

It's not too far from Alarielle and her creating Sylvaneth who are like elf substitutes that she favors for being one with nature in a way a creature of flesh and blood could never be.


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Eumerin wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So they are elves that hate other elves. I approve.

Well, the example given is the Daughts of Khaine. And I suspect that pretty much *all* of the other elves don't get along with that particular group.

No doubt, even before them you had the çultist Exiles and Darkling coven that had sorceresses use their magic to enslave the minds of elves to join their army. There was even a Hammerhal facebook post that advertised a sorceress aiding the garrison with her army and a promise collecting slaves would be a low priority, the implication that she'd use elves in the city as conscripted replacements.

These things add up to the followers of Malerion to be a very unwelcome sight for elves that don't hide in shadows.

(There are nice cooperations though like the Order Draconis using the Scourge privateers to "deliver" them new mounts when they were stuck in Azyrheim. )

So I think we'll get by the Summer : 

- A starter set with Nighthaunt models in it (I hope new, dedicated figures, not a set Ala Blightwar). 

- A Shadespire Nighthaunt warband (almost a given, going by the Faction logo top right of the WHU teased card). 

- A full Nighthaunt army, with Battletome, new Heroes like the MP story's ghast, new units like Black Coach and the "hangman" ghasts, etc. Also, lots of Rumors Engine have recently been quite "spectral". And more : the last 2 "true" AOS Death releases (i.e. The End Time : Nagash and the Knight Of Shrouds) were conceptually heavily "spectral" too. Finally there is lots of Nighthaunt / Wraith artworks in MP campaign book around the Knight Of Shourds (logical situation given its faction - also around Nagash's throne on the LoN cover).

Sounds good! Fingers crossed!

 Knight wrote:

Spoiler:

 ImAGeek wrote:
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Intriguing. Lore of light and a monster that we haven't seen yet?

Lore of Light there is nothing to suggest it and I am pretty sure Teclis and Tyrion Angel Elves will use lore of light. Also I don't think that there is another big monster kit in this release maybe alternatively turtle build. I think we will see one more kit and alternative versions of units GW already showed.

The fact that there isnt a Kraken makes me sad.

That would've been cool. On the otherhand we've seen a sky kraken in the Overlord artwork and grot sky pirates use leviathans as opposed to Orruk scrapfleets, so a kraken might be saved for a destruction release.

 DantePQ wrote:

 Knight wrote:

Spoiler:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Posted on FB

Intriguing. Lore of light and a monster that we haven't seen yet?

Lore of Light there is nothing to suggest it and I am pretty sure Teclis and Tyrion Angel Elves will use lore of light. Also I don't think that there is another big monster kit in this release maybe alternatively turtle build. I think we will see one more kit and alternative versions of units GW already showed.

It's still an interesting guess.

Also the fact that the pictures have that queenly looking elf appear in two of them. What's her story i wonder?

Edit: there's also the Silver Tower Mist Weaver to consider, her helm leaves her "eyeless" too. Is it a homage to blind Tyrion or is it a connection to the Deepkin?

Baron Klatz wrote:

Also the fact that the pictures have that queenly looking elf appear in two of them. What's her story i wonder?

Mage/Priest of some kind.

Edit: there's also the Silver Tower Mist Weaver to consider, her helm leaves her "eyeless" too. Is it a homage to blind Tyrion or is it a connection to the Deepkin?

Er...Tyrion wasn't blind?

Eltharion was.

Oh, Tyrion's blind now as the god of light. He needs Teclis to see for him.

Kind of a theme that almost everyone that had to get to the mortal realms through the realm of chaos was afflicted with something.

Ah, gotcha. I missed that part.

I wouldn't put anything into that part to be honest.

The other monster in this army will probably be the Dark Elf Sea Monster that was a double kit with the hydra (forgot its name).

Kharybdis. My spelling might be off.