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 Kanluwen wrote:

drbored wrote:

Also, the Gloomtide can be taken either in one whole, two halves, or two wholes. You cannot have 4 halves. The maximum number of Ethereal Vortex is 2, so if you split the Gloomtide into 2, it counts as 2, not 1.

The maximum number of Etheric Vortex items is 2 but you can only take a single Gloomtide Shipwreck per Matched Play's profiles.

So either you can have one whole or two halves--but no two wholes.

This argument keeps cropping up. Nothing on page 94 of the Deepkin book mentions being limited to only one of each Gloomtide. Nothing on page 136 where Pitched Battle points are listed mentions anything about being limited to one (only that the unit size minimum and maximum is 1, but that describes the unit, not the warscroll).

On top of this, on page 116 of the Deepkin Battletome, it says: "The Ethersea allegiance ability allows you to set up one or two Etheric Vortex terrain features before the battle begins. The scenery warscroll for a Gloomtide Shipwreck on page 95 is an example of an Etheric Vortex terrain feature, and this model makes a powerful addition to any Idoneth Deepkin army. A single Gloomtide Shipwreck model can be used to create two small Etheric Vortex terrain features or a single large one. If you only have one Gloomtide Shipwreck in your collection, it will usually be best to create two small terrain features; if you have two Gloomtide Shipwrecks, it can be advantageous to make two large terrain features instead." This makes it clear that the intention was for a Deepkin player to be able to use two whole ships in their battles.

If you have a conflicting rule in the GHB or something else, please let me know, but otherwise RAW AND RAI support using 2 full ships.

So it is, but I still maintain that I expect to see another piece of Etheric Vortex terrain before I expect to see some gigundous whale for the Idoneth.

Not least because my damn wallet is hurting.

drbored wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

drbored wrote:

Also, the Gloomtide can be taken either in one whole, two halves, or two wholes. You cannot have 4 halves. The maximum number of Ethereal Vortex is 2, so if you split the Gloomtide into 2, it counts as 2, not 1.

The maximum number of Etheric Vortex items is 2 but you can only take a single Gloomtide Shipwreck per Matched Play's profiles.

So either you can have one whole or two halves--but no two wholes.

This argument keeps cropping up. Nothing on page 94 of the Deepkin book mentions being limited to only one of each Gloomtide. Nothing on page 136 where Pitched Battle points are listed mentions anything about being limited to one (only that the unit size minimum and maximum is 1, but that describes the unit, not the warscroll).

On top of this, on page 116 of the Deepkin Battletome, it says: "The Ethersea allegiance ability allows you to set up one or two Etheric Vortex terrain features before the battle begins. The scenery warscroll for a Gloomtide Shipwreck on page 95 is an example of an Etheric Vortex terrain feature, and this model makes a powerful addition to any Idoneth Deepkin army. A single Gloomtide Shipwreck model can be used to create two small Etheric Vortex terrain features or a single large one. If you only have one Gloomtide Shipwreck in your collection, it will usually be best to create two small terrain features; if you have two Gloomtide Shipwrecks, it can be advantageous to make two large terrain features instead." This makes it clear that the intention was for a Deepkin player to be able to use two whole ships in their battles.

If you have a conflicting rule in the GHB or something else, please let me know, but otherwise RAW AND RAI support using 2 full ships.

Honestly I would have a problem with people using two whole shipwrecks outside competitive play--they are a strong part of allegiance but reasonable using the two halves. Two wholes just pushes it over the edge IMO. Now if its a tourney game go ahead because all gloves are off, but if someone tries that in a casual game my response will be 'give me a few minutes to switch to my tourney army'.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I would have a problem with people using two whole shipwrecks outside competitive play--they are a strong part of allegiance but reasonable using the two halves. Two wholes just pushes it over the edge IMO. Now if its a tourney game go ahead because all gloves are off, but if someone tries that in a casual game my response will be 'give me a few minutes to switch to my tourney army'.

I really can't see a benefit to using two wholes. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems the sillier choice?

They cover a huge area, those things are big.

Oh yeah, I'm not trying to say that you /should/ if you're playing a friendly game, I'm just trying to make sure that people aren't spreading misinformation about rules they perceive. The same way the rules state that you can have as many icon bearers as you want, but that's not really a friendly way to play the game.

In this case, though, the design team clearly meant for people to take 2, or else they wouldn't have written that bit in there so explicitly.

The other trouble is fitting it on the table. There are still restrictions on where they can be placed in relation to terrain and the like. Fitting two of them on the table fills a large space. But y'know what? So do Sylvaneth Wyldwoods, and people have no qualms bringing 15 of those to a table.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They cover a huge area, those things are big.

I know how large they are I just can't ever see a time where I'll want to deploy it as one? It's 6" for the protection for Deepkin units and 3" for the "nomnomnom" for non-Deepkin units.

I'd rather spread that across the board a bit and have some coverage that way personally.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They cover a huge area, those things are big.

I know how large they are I just can't ever see a time where I'll want to deploy it as one? It's 6" for the protection for Deepkin units and 3" for the "nomnomnom" for non-Deepkin units.

I'd rather spread that across the board a bit and have some coverage that way personally.

Isn't there a rule of geometry about splitting a shape in half and increasing the length of all of its sides? By having two halves, you get an extra 'side' to each boat, which does increase the size of the aura that it generates. Always better to go two halves if all you have is one ship.

Afaik two halves = two terrain pieces, two wholes = two terrain pieces. So it isn't a choice between four halves or two wholes, it's between two halves or two wholes.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Afaik two halves = two terrain pieces, two wholes = two terrain pieces. So it isn't a choice between four halves or two wholes, it's between two halves or two wholes.

Yes, you are correct. You can either field one full, two halves, or two full.

So uh, who is going to Warhammer Fest and the preview seminar Saturday around mid day ?

Can someone do a little report here ?

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So uh, who is going to Warhammer Fest and the preview seminar Saturday around mid day ?

Can someone do a little report here ?

Is there a schedule around for when and how many seminars happen at Warhammer Fest? Kinda hard finding information about the event, or maybe it's just me. Might be worth tuning in to Warhammer TV this weekend, but I don't want to sit through hours of unrelated stuff just for the good parts.

 Geifer wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So uh, who is going to Warhammer Fest and the preview seminar Saturday around mid day ?

Can someone do a little report here ?

Is there a schedule around for when and how many seminars happen at Warhammer Fest? Kinda hard finding information about the event, or maybe it's just me. Might be worth tuning in to Warhammer TV this weekend, but I don't want to sit through hours of unrelated stuff just for the good parts.

There was one on TGA posted yesterday by RuneBrush, but it seems the website is under maintenance....

IIRC the GW news seminar is Saturday between 11:00-12:00 or 12:00-13:00

 HorticulusDK wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So uh, who is going to Warhammer Fest and the preview seminar Saturday around mid day ?

Can someone do a little report here ?

Is there a schedule around for when and how many seminars happen at Warhammer Fest? Kinda hard finding information about the event, or maybe it's just me. Might be worth tuning in to Warhammer TV this weekend, but I don't want to sit through hours of unrelated stuff just for the good parts.

There was one on TGA posted yesterday by RuneBrush, but it seems the website is under maintenance....

IIRC the GW news seminar is Saturday between 11:00-12:00 or 12:00-13:00

Thank you. If there's just the one to catch it's not that bad.

Reveal of Age of Sigmar 2.0 this weekend?

RazorEdge wrote:
Reveal of Age of Sigmar 2.0 this weekend?

Only one way to find out.

And by that I mean we get a leak that forces GW's hand.

I hope they have something a bit more unexpected to show than AoS 2nd ed, more Sigmarines and spooky people. I'll be happy to see any undead at all, of course, as it's way overdue. But Slaanesh showing a little leg wouldn't go amiss.

RazorEdge wrote:
Reveal of Age of Sigmar 2.0 this weekend?

https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/videos/798770283653100/UzpfSTIzMDIxOTUxMDcwNjM2ODo1NzUyMDIxMjYyMDgxMDM/

EDIT: If the Facebook link still doesn't work, here's the YouTube video (thanks Kragan):

Warhammer Fest is tomorrow – and there's something big coming for Warhammer Age of Sigmar. We gave a few lucky hobbyists a sneak peek...

Join us tomorrow for all the major announcements and reveals as they happen here, on the Warhammer Fest Live Blog: https://goo.gl/7ay5kh

Someone wants to see the world burn.

Nice one GW

Tomorrow shall be glorious, the Emperor dictates so.

Edit: Main dream, allies between Alliances. Ogre Mercenaries pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

Personal thoughts:

Nagash is gonna get payback(obviously)

Some of the Eternals are about to act more like the Imperium after too many resurrections.

Seraphons get a successful redo against Khul. More Dino's, less berserkers.

Expect some legends to be in AoS instead of the Made-To-Order line.

Slaanesh is awake...AND. HE. IS. PISSED! Also, POSSIBLE NEW MODELS!

EDIT; Ghaz and Kragan beat me to it....I hate you both...(closes eyes and turns head upward to side)

From the Games Workshop press release, the day before the company headquarters was raided by the comany’s shareholders and the entire staff consumed in a cannibalistic frenzy:
“We have long realised that not everyone is happy with our pricing structure, so we have been looking for ways to remedy this. While several of our original ideas were vetoed by the legal team (such a shame, the uniforms were great), we believe we have found the solution. We will be switching to a new material with some amazing properties that will kill two birds with one stone, at least for several armies, by also being the dominant colour of the standard studio painting scheme, and we also hope it will please some of our veteran gamers who remember the heft of our old lead miniatures with fondness. That’s right everyone, we’re switching to solid gold casts to save us, and you, some money; as the new process rolls out across the range you will see a 10-30% drop in price depending on the age of the mould and up to 40,000% increase in weight, perfect for a proppa dreadsocking.”

Gotta say, that video got me good.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Gotta say, that video got me good.

I don't get it. All I see is a video of people trying to act like they are stolked and excited in black and white. Am I missing something here? Probably I am thinking of something totally different LOL.

I just picked on this when watching the video. That looks like a regular face, doesn't it?

 parakuribo wrote:


Personal thoughts:

Nagash is gonna get payback(obviously)

Some of the Eternals are about to act more like the Imperium after too many resurrections.

Seraphons get a successful redo against Khul. More Dino's, less berserkers.

Expect some legends to be in AoS instead of the Made-To-Order line.

Slaanesh is awake...AND. HE. IS. PISSED! Also, POSSIBLE NEW MODELS!

EDIT; Ghaz and Kragan beat me to it....I hate you both...(closes eyes and turns head upward to side)

We could always use more Dino's!!! Not to complain, but new bigger, Saurus Warriors and plastic Kroxigor would be great.

Is that Stormcast cut out new? I thought it was the Shadespire guy but the dude in the video, his eyes look...... 'dead.'

All I've wanted since they started with the mini factions that were basically facelifts of old armies, is some new stinkin' reptiles.

They should go full on Meso- American style with crazy headdresses and ornate armor, or play up the hitech aspect and make them 40k compatible Or both.

Also moar dinos with moar lazors.

Lord Kragan wrote:


I just picked on this when watching the video. That looks like a regular face, doesn't it?

Deathcasts confirmed! Some stormcasts got tired of having their souls messed up by Sigmar and decided to rebel by joining Nagash.

At least that’s what I’m hoping for.