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If Glamour isn't a psychic power, then what is it? The Daemon Prince has it too so it can't be something tied specifically to Rubrics.

So the tzaangor skyfires are still using bows. Lol so not even an upgrade sprue?

Thousand sons look far less "dead" all of a sudden.

 nintura wrote:
So the tzaangor skyfires are still using bows. Lol so not even an upgrade sprue?

What's wrong with that? They're magical demonic birdmen, right? So it doesn't really matter if its a bow or a gun. Its still going to hurt like hell.

I'm pretty sure those are psychic powers. They sound like psychic powers and they given to units that have force staves.

It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that. It's the year 40,000 for christ's sake. Has technology come to a complete halt?

 nintura wrote:
It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that.

Too bad its not demon magic that doesn't give two gaks about what you consider realistic. Oh wait....

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 nintura wrote:
It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that.

Too bad its not demon magic that doesn't give two gaks about what you consider realistic. Oh wait....

Except that it's not..... look at the models.

When the hell do we get to call GW lazy for this.

 nintura wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 nintura wrote:
It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that.

Too bad its not demon magic that doesn't give two gaks about what you consider realistic. Oh wait....

Except that it's not..... look at the models.

Lol.....so did you miss the part that Kharn in one of the novels LITERALLY says "oh....its 40'000 years into the future.....and we are still hitting each other with swords and axes? and using giant shields?.....We came so far we went backwards...."

Let alone the army and DAEMON GODS these guys come from...but no its the bows of course that break the immersion when they are riding giant daemon-spiked surfing discs :p

 nintura wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 nintura wrote:
It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that.

Too bad its not demon magic that doesn't give two gaks about what you consider realistic. Oh wait....

Except that it's not..... look at the models.

I did. Its being wielded by a magical blue birdman floating on magical floating disk, is blue and has swirly crap using magical arrows that are describe as being weakpoint seeking. Its totally magical.

Yes. Totally MarySue. It's fething lazy.

 nintura wrote:
It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that. It's the year 40,000 for christ's sake. Has technology come to a complete halt?

Call it a power-bow. It works for axes, staves, spears, fists, claws and swords.
But at this point it looks like you just want to be angry about anything. So be it.

 nintura wrote:
Yes. Totally MarySue. It's fething lazy.

Get bent, dude. I just can't listen to you complain about everything all day long.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Yes. Totally MarySue. It's fething lazy.

Get bent, dude. I just can't listen to you complain about everything all day long.

Then you're in the wrong fething thread mate.... did you read the title or not?

 nintura wrote:
It's a bow. Against power armor. There's everything wrong with that. It's the year 40,000 for christ's sake. Has technology come to a complete halt?

Did we forget about the Imperiums anti-psyker crossbolts? The Imperial Guards Swords (not anything else, those S3 sarges and commanders using full on swords?) The Knives of the space marines (that are basically gladius sized short-swords?)

Really, this is the complaint, this is long too late to be complaining about medieval technology still being used by the factions.

Yes. Totally MarySue. It's fething lazy.

A race of magical bird beasts that at one point may have been human are using ensorcelled bows that may be granted by a god of Sorcerers or their own sorcerers... Do you know what Mary Sue even means? Because there's nothing close to that in here.

Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

So ignore the arguments in the thread about this not being new.. Yeah sure, you wanna be angry about this go ahead.

Real powers on rubrics.
Yea, they saves the flop. the mere fact you can have several squads who each has a completely different tactical spell makes the pure-rubric list a not boring as feth thing-and that'e enough.

 nintura wrote:


Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

God I KNOW, right? Inferno Bolters and Warp Flamers are so damned lazy, too! They just took the original weapon and added "sorcerous power" to them - ooooh so original GW!

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

Yes I do, I said what it was, did you read it?

"Energy beam in the shape of an arrow"

It's a hyper advanced "science as magic" bit of technology, not all arrows are made of wood and steel lol

Yes it's a really good benefit I can use them in both, but claiming magic arrows fired by magic beings are "lazy and dumb" throws out soooooo much fantasy stuff it's easy to disregard, if you don't like it that's fine, but magic arrows are a fantasy trope that goes back a long way and 40k is a science fantasy setting, not a science fiction one.

Every Thousand Sons Psyker gets an additional 6" to their range.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 nintura wrote:


Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

God I KNOW, right? Inferno Bolters and Warp Flamers are so damned lazy, too! They just took the original weapon and added "sorcerous power" to them - ooooh so original GW!

Hahaha I know right !

Mag lost re-rolls

 nintura wrote:
Every Thousand Sons Psyker gets an additional 6" to their range.

Now THAT is good

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Every Thousand Sons Psyker gets an additional 6" to their range.

Now THAT is good

Maybe. Def good on Warp Time if it's in fact 9" now. Most def good on our sniper psychic attacks.

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

Yes I do, I said what it was, did you read it?

"Energy beam in the shape of an arrow"

It's a hyper advanced "science as magic" bit of technology, not all arrows are made of wood and steel lol

Yes it's a really good benefit I can use them in both, but claiming magic arrows fired by magic beings are "lazy and dumb" throws out soooooo much fantasy stuff it's easy to disregard, if you don't like it that's fine, but magic arrows are a fantasy trope that goes back a long way and 40k is a science fantasy setting, not a science fiction one.

Actually in the 5th ed codex it was described as being a sliver of metal being fired at high enough speeds to pierce through a mountain. So more like a dart than an arrow.

Doombolt helps them move?


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

Yes I do, I said what it was, did you read it?

"Energy beam in the shape of an arrow"

It's a hyper advanced "science as magic" bit of technology, not all arrows are made of wood and steel lol

Yes it's a really good benefit I can use them in both, but claiming magic arrows fired by magic beings are "lazy and dumb" throws out soooooo much fantasy stuff it's easy to disregard, if you don't like it that's fine, but magic arrows are a fantasy trope that goes back a long way and 40k is a science fantasy setting, not a science fiction one.

Actually in the 5th ed codex it was described as being a sliver of metal being fired at high enough speeds to pierce through a mountain. So more like a dart than an arrow.

that's not even technically correct. It's a Tachyon. A particle that travels faster than the speed of light theoretically. Possibly through time. The speed and inertia alone would devastate a city.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

Yes I do, I said what it was, did you read it?

"Energy beam in the shape of an arrow"

It's a hyper advanced "science as magic" bit of technology, not all arrows are made of wood and steel lol

Yes it's a really good benefit I can use them in both, but claiming magic arrows fired by magic beings are "lazy and dumb" throws out soooooo much fantasy stuff it's easy to disregard, if you don't like it that's fine, but magic arrows are a fantasy trope that goes back a long way and 40k is a science fantasy setting, not a science fiction one.

Actually in the 5th ed codex it was described as being a sliver of metal being fired at high enough speeds to pierce through a mountain. So more like a dart than an arrow.

That makes it even better! We're walking about a mundane item that can fire through a mountain! From our stand point that's insane on the face of it, if a dart can pierce a mountain with über space science, why can't a magic arrow kill a person if super space armour.

 nintura wrote:
Doombolt helps them move?


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

Yes I do, I said what it was, did you read it?

"Energy beam in the shape of an arrow"

It's a hyper advanced "science as magic" bit of technology, not all arrows are made of wood and steel lol

Yes it's a really good benefit I can use them in both, but claiming magic arrows fired by magic beings are "lazy and dumb" throws out soooooo much fantasy stuff it's easy to disregard, if you don't like it that's fine, but magic arrows are a fantasy trope that goes back a long way and 40k is a science fantasy setting, not a science fiction one.

Actually in the 5th ed codex it was described as being a sliver of metal being fired at high enough speeds to pierce through a mountain. So more like a dart than an arrow.

that's not even technically correct. It's a Tachyon. A particle that travels faster than the speed of light theoretically. Possibly through time. The speed and inertia alone would devastate a city.

That's what it says in the codex. If you have a complaint take it to Matt Ward.
EDIT : Hold on, checking the wording. Maybe I misunderstood something.

Ok, its...weird. It actually says it transmutes a piece of metal into an unstoppable thunderbolt. Now, I thought it was a fancy was of saying that it goes really really fast, but apparently its a direct energy weapon, so...science I guess?

 Formosa wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Tachyon arrow is an arrow, using super science it firing a energy beam in the shape of an arrow.

Tzaangor arrow are guided by the changer of ways, maybe they look to the possible futures to see where the arrow needs to be fired to kill its target, maybe the arrow is cursed and ages the target by millions of years in seconds etc. Etc.

Magic arrows are not hard to explain.

Do you know what a Tachyon is? Calling it an arrow is like calling a high powered laser a flashlight. They aren't even remotely the same thing.

The point is, it's lazy. The ONLY benefit to this is you can buy models for this and play them in AoS

Yes I do, I said what it was, did you read it?

"Energy beam in the shape of an arrow"

It's a hyper advanced "science as magic" bit of technology, not all arrows are made of wood and steel lol

Yes it's a really good benefit I can use them in both, but claiming magic arrows fired by magic beings are "lazy and dumb" throws out soooooo much fantasy stuff it's easy to disregard, if you don't like it that's fine, but magic arrows are a fantasy trope that goes back a long way and 40k is a science fantasy setting, not a science fiction one.

Actually in the 5th ed codex it was described as being a sliver of metal being fired at high enough speeds to pierce through a mountain. So more like a dart than an arrow.

That makes it even better! We're walking about a mundane item that can fire through a mountain! From our stand point that's insane on the face of it, if a dart can pierce a mountain with über space science, why can't a magic arrow kill a person if super space armour.

jesus. You're dense. it's not a mundane item. It's a technological gauss cannon millions of years in advancement of technology. The bullet doesn't matter, it's the gun that fires it. You see the Last Jedi? You know the part where they ram the ship at near light speed? It's mass x velocity. A piece of carrot going 500,000 miles per hour will go through a building. An EFP burning at 12,000k will melt a tank.