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 nintura wrote:
Its funny how so many disagree with it but on the other threads people are talking about their army lists and none of them include rubrics. And now the nerf to reapers lol. Someone actually asked why take rubrics and termies.

Maybe because they got cool new toys to consider from the article? None of them have the book.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Its funny how so many disagree with it but on the other threads people are talking about their army lists and none of them include rubrics. And now the nerf to reapers lol. Someone actually asked why take rubrics and termies.

Maybe because they got cool new toys to consider from the article? None of them have the book.

We ALL have the book now. So yeah....

 nintura wrote:
Its funny how so many disagree with it but on the other threads people are talking about their army lists and none of them include rubrics. And now the nerf to reapers lol. Someone actually asked why take rubrics and termies.

Yeah the thing that nobody wants to mention.

 nintura wrote:


We ALL have the book now. So yeah....

That's pretty good since I see nothing on 4chan and no video review with the pages. Why you holdin' out on me mang?

Someone just linked it on one of these threads. It's a 2 hour youtube video.

 nintura wrote:
Someone just linked it on one of these threads. It's a 2 hour youtube video.

The two guys talking and then playing a game? There isn't much in that one. I'm still hunting stratagems.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Someone just linked it on one of these threads. It's a 2 hour youtube video.

The two guys talking and then playing a game? There isn't much in that one. I'm still hunting stratagems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK6KUzIxirg

 Sasori wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

This codex is not representing properly the TS legion as it is in the 40k universe. It is a random soup of Tzeentch monstrousities and things. I dislike it. I would have loved a proper TS codex. Hell, i was waiting for a proper TS codex since i started to play 20 years ago. But instead we got... this.

So you didn't read about how the Tsons, before beastmen got squatted for a bit used entire armies of Tzaangors to basically make up the mainstay of their armies.

Essentially, lore triumphed and things were gained that actually make Tsons more like how they were originally designed.

Also seriously.. Battered wife syndrome? It's a gaming company for godsakes.

I have to agree here, the whining here is on an insane level. The fact that people are throwing these terms out with a gaming company that makes models is absolutely disgusting, and you should be ashamed.

There is nothing in the codex forcing you to run Tzaangors. You are free to run a Sorcerer and Rubric heavy list, with some of the vehicles available right now. Or you can run it with Daemons, which is also very fluffy. Thousand Sons are not dead, and the ridiculous hyperbole being exhibited by a few posters here is insane.

First of all "whining" is a pejorative term used to shut people up when they are saying things you don't like or agree with.

If we are so wrong then present an argument. How is it "whining"?

The fact people are telling me that if I don't like the "new" units or the codex deal with it.

The fact they feel there is nothing they can do about it.

The fact there is no where else for them to get GW products, because they have made damn sure no one else can sell them.

I like this post on FB:

Other than Magnus going up 30 points, nothing else changed points wise... which is awful because Rubrics and Scarabs are overcosted (not to mention Warpflamers/Heavy Warpflamers being absurd), and the new rules did nothing to increase their value for that cost... Really seems like they just want to push Tzaangors as the go-to choice to have any semblence of a competitive list.

This book appears to be full of dissappointment.

Soulreaper per 10 on TS Rubrics makes them worse than CSM Rubrics.

Exalted Sorcerers lost their Force Sword option, they are once again forced to take a Staff only. They can choose to purchase a Power Sword in addition to their stave...

You can laughably spend a command point at the start of your game to upgrade a single bolt weapon on a single vehicle to an inferno-version (gives it ap-2). This should have been something our faction got as standard for all bolt weapons across the entire army.

The only really good strategems are really the ones shared with CSM... there is very little use for most/all of the TS specific ones.

There were a number of other things that just screamed out "missed opportunity" in this book as well, but these are the ones off the top of my head.

There is nothing in this book that will allow an army built around Rubrics, Scarabs, and Sorcerers to compete in the current meta at all.

Yes there are some nasty combos in there that will use Tzaangor spam with massive synergy blocks, and getting auto-wounds on 4+, etc. that might do the trick. But it really feels like go full Bird People or expect to continue to be an underperforming faction.

Just listened to a codex review and simply said it's highly disappointing.

Trait is pretty meh. Would have preferred the grey knights one over this. 2 out 6 powers are identical from death guard powers in our special TS list.
No peril protections or bonuses to cast spells (Aside from 1 stratagem for 1 power). Exalted the same as regular sorcerer just with a re-roll to hit of 1 aura.
No points adjustment or help vs 2D weapons for scarabs.

Regular TS units needed something to create some variations between units/models and make them actual masters of the psychic phase but its all just copy/pasted from the index.

Traits are pretty meh?
Traits are freaking insane. unfortunatly, they are mostly pushing you to take a prince. one of the traits is a casting bonus you seem to have missed.
3 of the relics are awesome, 3 are meh.


But other than that. yup, a durp codex.
The best stratagems, sans cabalistic focus, are all CSM ones.

TS rubrics somehow has less soulreapers than CSM ones.
Scarabs got a minor sorcerer discount, but that's it.

Everything that's actually intresting isn't in power armor.
Its sad, but the best TS build pn a glance appears to be just magnus, princes and goats-no rubrics, scarabs or sorcerers.

Huh weird that...

Yeah, I'm laughing my ass off on this one. Chaos marines, warbands at that, have more soul reapers than the actual thousand sons legion.....

 nintura wrote:
Yeah, I'm laughing my ass off on this one. Chaos marines, warbands at that, have more soul reapers than the actual thousand sons legion.....

Wait for the FAQ.

Opps we messed that up you CAN take Soul reapers in squads of 5. After they sell 10 million units of Tzaangors.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

This codex is not representing properly the TS legion as it is in the 40k universe. It is a random soup of Tzeentch monstrousities and things. I dislike it. I would have loved a proper TS codex. Hell, i was waiting for a proper TS codex since i started to play 20 years ago. But instead we got... this.

So you didn't read about how the Tsons, before beastmen got squatted for a bit used entire armies of Tzaangors to basically make up the mainstay of their armies.

Essentially, lore triumphed and things were gained that actually make Tsons more like how they were originally designed.

Also seriously.. Battered wife syndrome? It's a gaming company for godsakes.

I have to agree here, the whining here is on an insane level. The fact that people are throwing these terms out with a gaming company that makes models is absolutely disgusting, and you should be ashamed.

There is nothing in the codex forcing you to run Tzaangors. You are free to run a Sorcerer and Rubric heavy list, with some of the vehicles available right now. Or you can run it with Daemons, which is also very fluffy. Thousand Sons are not dead, and the ridiculous hyperbole being exhibited by a few posters here is insane.

First of all "whining" is a pejorative term used to shut people up when they are saying things you don't like or agree with.

If we are so wrong then present an argument. How is it "whining"?

The fact people are telling me that if I don't like the "new" units or the codex deal with it.

The fact they feel there is nothing they can do about it.

The fact there is no where else for them to get GW products, because they have made damn sure no one else can sell them.

No, whining is used when you have polluted multiple threads with your complaining, consistently. I am not the only one here who has noticed it. I don't have to agree with you, but when you spread your misery in every thread you can, a long with several other posters people will get tired of it.Multiple threads have gone off topic thanks to you and several other posters that are whining about what your view of Thousand Sons should be. Not to mention you have not provided anything constructive on the matter, you are just complaining to complain. Just vote with your wallet on how you feel, but we don't need to know about it in every thread where Thousand Sons is mentioned.

It is whining because no one is forcing you to play with Tzaangors. There is absolutely nothing to stop you from playing a fluffy thousand sons list. Will it be the most powerful list on the tabletop? No, but that has been the case for ages.

You also have a choice, if you don't like the new units, don't play them. You have the ultimate choice in the matter, but no one really cares if you like it or not. This is the codex we have now, and complaining about it non-stop on the forum is going to do nothing except detract from people who want to have legitimate discussions. Email Games-workshop, boycott he product, or do something constructive.

 Sasori wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

This codex is not representing properly the TS legion as it is in the 40k universe. It is a random soup of Tzeentch monstrousities and things. I dislike it. I would have loved a proper TS codex. Hell, i was waiting for a proper TS codex since i started to play 20 years ago. But instead we got... this.

So you didn't read about how the Tsons, before beastmen got squatted for a bit used entire armies of Tzaangors to basically make up the mainstay of their armies.

Essentially, lore triumphed and things were gained that actually make Tsons more like how they were originally designed.

Also seriously.. Battered wife syndrome? It's a gaming company for godsakes.

I have to agree here, the whining here is on an insane level. The fact that people are throwing these terms out with a gaming company that makes models is absolutely disgusting, and you should be ashamed.

There is nothing in the codex forcing you to run Tzaangors. You are free to run a Sorcerer and Rubric heavy list, with some of the vehicles available right now. Or you can run it with Daemons, which is also very fluffy. Thousand Sons are not dead, and the ridiculous hyperbole being exhibited by a few posters here is insane.

First of all "whining" is a pejorative term used to shut people up when they are saying things you don't like or agree with.

If we are so wrong then present an argument. How is it "whining"?

The fact people are telling me that if I don't like the "new" units or the codex deal with it.

The fact they feel there is nothing they can do about it.

The fact there is no where else for them to get GW products, because they have made damn sure no one else can sell them.

No, whining is used when you have polluted multiple threads with your complaining, consistently. I am not the only one here who has noticed it. I don't have to agree with you, but when you spread your misery in every thread you can, a long with several other posters people will get tired of it.Multiple threads have gone off topic thanks to you and several other posters that are whining about what your view of Thousand Sons should be. Not to mention you have not provided anything constructive on the matter, you are just complaining to complain. Just vote with your wallet on how you feel, but we don't need to know about it in every thread where Thousand Sons is mentioned.

It is whining because no one is forcing you to play with Tzaangors. There is absolutely nothing to stop you from playing a fluffy thousand sons list. Will it be the most powerful list on the tabletop? No, but that has been the case for ages.

You also have a choice, if you don't like the new units, don't play them. You have the ultimate choice in the matter, but no one really cares if you like it or not. This is the codex we have now, and complaining about it non-stop on the forum is going to do nothing except detract from people who want to have legitimate discussions. Email Games-workshop, boycott he product, or do something constructive.

Being competitive or just losing horrible is in fact a form of being forced... "Hey you can play this bad army and you'll lose 80% of your games, but hey we aren't forcing you to play! Instead, here, we'll make winning much more easier but it requires you to buy a whole new army. But again, that's only IF you want to win"

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Yeah, I'm laughing my ass off on this one. Chaos marines, warbands at that, have more soul reapers than the actual thousand sons legion.....

Wait for the FAQ.

Opps we messed that up you CAN take Soul reapers in squads of 5. After they sell 10 million units of Tzaangors.

That would be quite a feat to achieve within 2 weeks. Great sales strategy.


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 nintura wrote:
Yeah, I'm laughing my ass off on this one. Chaos marines, warbands at that, have more soul reapers than the actual thousand sons legion.....

This is the only thing I hate. Otherwise I think people's perceptions are skewed, because we "saw" our decreases before the book ever hit.

While I get the overall feel regarding "needing" goats in a competitive meta, I still dont see how Rubrics + Vets of the Long War isnt a good strategy.

Personally gonna drop a 10 man SOT with all guns inclusive (2 reapers, 2 hellfyres) and tons of inferno shells, Vets + Prescience. and watch stuff vanish.

Added bonus If I can time it right or spend an extra CP and drop a prince of exalted nearby for re-roll ones aura. *dakka dakka* indeed.

 Sasori wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

This codex is not representing properly the TS legion as it is in the 40k universe. It is a random soup of Tzeentch monstrousities and things. I dislike it. I would have loved a proper TS codex. Hell, i was waiting for a proper TS codex since i started to play 20 years ago. But instead we got... this.

So you didn't read about how the Tsons, before beastmen got squatted for a bit used entire armies of Tzaangors to basically make up the mainstay of their armies.

Essentially, lore triumphed and things were gained that actually make Tsons more like how they were originally designed.

Also seriously.. Battered wife syndrome? It's a gaming company for godsakes.

I have to agree here, the whining here is on an insane level. The fact that people are throwing these terms out with a gaming company that makes models is absolutely disgusting, and you should be ashamed.

There is nothing in the codex forcing you to run Tzaangors. You are free to run a Sorcerer and Rubric heavy list, with some of the vehicles available right now. Or you can run it with Daemons, which is also very fluffy. Thousand Sons are not dead, and the ridiculous hyperbole being exhibited by a few posters here is insane.

First of all "whining" is a pejorative term used to shut people up when they are saying things you don't like or agree with.

If we are so wrong then present an argument. How is it "whining"?

The fact people are telling me that if I don't like the "new" units or the codex deal with it.

The fact they feel there is nothing they can do about it.

The fact there is no where else for them to get GW products, because they have made damn sure no one else can sell them.

No, whining is used when you have polluted multiple threads with your complaining, consistently. I am not the only one here who has noticed it. I don't have to agree with you, but when you spread your misery in every thread you can, a long with several other posters people will get tired of it.Multiple threads have gone off topic thanks to you and several other posters that are whining about what your view of Thousand Sons should be. Not to mention you have not provided anything constructive on the matter, you are just complaining to complain. Just vote with your wallet on how you feel, but we don't need to know about it in every thread where Thousand Sons is mentioned.

It is whining because no one is forcing you to play with Tzaangors. There is absolutely nothing to stop you from playing a fluffy thousand sons list. Will it be the most powerful list on the tabletop? No, but that has been the case for ages.

You also have a choice, if you don't like the new units, don't play them. You have the ultimate choice in the matter, but no one really cares if you like it or not. This is the codex we have now, and complaining about it non-stop on the forum is going to do nothing except detract from people who want to have legitimate discussions. Email Games-workshop, boycott he product, or do something constructive.

Ahriman21 wrote:
While I get the overall feel regarding "needing" goats in a competitive meta, I still dont see how Rubrics + Vets of the Long War isnt a good strategy.

Personally gonna drop a 10 man SOT with all guns inclusive (2 reapers, 2 hellfyres) and tons of inferno shells, Vets + Prescience. and watch stuff vanish.

Added bonus If I can time it right or spend an extra CP and drop a prince of exalted nearby for re-roll ones aura. *dakka dakka* indeed.

Simple: because you can use Vets on tzaangors, with the added bonus of getting to fight twice with them.

I take back all of my previous excitement for this codex. It's stacked with synergy for beastmen units with absolutely nothing for Rubricae. I was willing to accept tzaangors but I picked this army because I thought Rubric Marines looked cool, if they aren't viable I'm not playing Thousand Sons.

Don't fall to DakkaDakka hyperbole. You will be able to play rubrics in your games just fine, this isn't 7th Edition after all where the game was mostly decided in list building.
Just like with most armies a tournament list will be a boring spammy fluff abomination, but if you don't like that style, don't go to tournaments.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Don't fall to DakkaDakka hyperbole. You will be able to play rubrics in your games just fine, this isn't 7th Edition after all where the game was mostly decided in list building.
Just like with most armies a tournament list will be a boring spammy fluff abomination, but if you don't like that style, don't go to tournaments.

Right now I do fine against armies that don't have a codex, armies that do I struggle at best.

This is the problem, as other armies get their codices we will fall further and further behind, until we are in the bottom 5 or 6 armies in the game if that. That is IF we run Rubrics, if we run Tzaangors we will probably be one of the best armies in the game.

If no one really cares why are there 25 pages of different people trying to convince me that I should just be happy with what I got?

Because you've managed to make Thousand Sons look as bad, if not worse then Sisters players on these threads, and it's quite clear you and Nintura (Who sounds enough like you that Sasori got you two confused, given that he was the one who managed to help drive the Thousand Sons codex rumors off topic due to complaints) have managed to fill up a fair few complaints that often times sound very nonsensical to people before things even came out.

If we are so wrong then present an argument. How is it "whining"?

Because much of your arguments are opinions that you don't deviate from. We didn't have a single game beyond an odd showing by Warhammer TV and the rest can't exactly be argued against because they were based on your feelings. We just recently even got the codex to deal with.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Don't fall to DakkaDakka hyperbole. You will be able to play rubrics in your games just fine, this isn't 7th Edition after all where the game was mostly decided in list building.
Just like with most armies a tournament list will be a boring spammy fluff abomination, but if you don't like that style, don't go to tournaments.

Right now I do fine against armies that don't have a codex, armies that do I struggle at best.

This is the problem, as other armies get their codices we will fall further and further behind, until we are in the bottom 5 or 6 armies in the game if that. That is IF we run Rubrics, if we run Tzaangors we will probably be one of the best armies in the game.

except it's not magic rules of the units that give codices a big boost it's relics, stratigums etc. and 1k sons will have those too

Well, I guess ill stick my foot in my mouth now. New dex is goatmen 40k. Very sad. They could have thrown rubric players a bone, something, anything. Ill still play the army because I like it. And ill use the new units. But now I feel sorry that sales of the new kits drove the codex into derp. While none of this bothers me because I play in a casual setting and im more interested in having a good game than winning. But yea, if anyone had hoped the codex would make rubrics comp i feel for you. Now we just need a new mocking name for the faction. Thousand Gors. Thousand derps. Im not to creative.

In the end you can still run the same army as you did before the codex drop, but I can now understand the OPs frustration. Title of the thread did not help your case however.

The title wasn't the only problem his still wrong predicting of nerfs and general attitude was. Dead is bretonians,TK and squats, unplayable due to lack of models or anyu form of support what so ever.

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread big hordes of cheap bodies are the current meta. Just like every tactica thread on imperium devolves at some point into just add guardsmen. Sad but untill we see a few good horde killers that(s just how it currently is. And don't stare blindly into the competitive scene they are no tthe be all end all of play and the blance has improved with 8th so even less perfected lists are doable. see the was 7th more balanced thread.

Rubricae get a free psychic power, that's significant. But the Soulreaper decision is a bit iffy - having to go in for a full 10 men to unlock it is such a bad call that I can't help thinking we'll see it faq'd in the initial update that'll hit a week or two after its release.

IF that's the case, and they get it back for five-man squads, then Rubrics will have gotten a straight up buff, gained a deepstrike stratagem, and will therefore definitely be viable. Two squads in a rhino (for gargoyle goodness) will still be a decent 312 points imo. Deepstriking squads of 10 with VOTLW are also a big big upgrade.

I don't mind people being a bit dissappointed about the tzaangor focus, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rubrics gained a lot, and if the reaper/10 gets changed to reaper/5, they will be a legit unit.

grouchoben wrote:
Rubricae get a free psychic power, that's significant. But the Soulreaper decision is a bit iffy - having to go in for a full 10 men to unlock it is such a bad call that I can't help thinking we'll see it faq'd in the initial update that'll hit a week or two after its release.

IF that's the case, and they get it back for five-man squads, then Rubrics will have gotten a straight up buff, gained a deepstrike stratagem, and will therefore definitely be viable. Two squads in a rhino (for gargoyle goodness) will still be a decent 312 points imo. Deepstriking squads of 10 with VOTLW are also a big big upgrade.

I don't mind people being a bit dissappointed about the tzaangor focus, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rubrics gained a lot, and if the reaper/10 gets changed to reaper/5, they will be a legit unit.

Rubrics being stuck with the Discipline of Change seriously hurts my motivation to run them; Glamour of Tzeentch and Weaver of Fates are good powers to cast on a block of rubrics in a vacuum, but in reality you need to give those powers to Magnus. Boon of Mutation and Temporal Manipulation do nothing for Rubrics, you're never going to get Doombolt to cast successfully... that leaves Tzeentch's Firestorm. Yeah.

The Soulreaper being 1 in 10 instead of 1 in 5 is the biggest letdown...

Does anyone know if there's an email address to which we can complain about it ?

I'm gonna enjoy my Thousand Son codex.

It will give me way more units and combos to choose from than my old 3.5 codex ever did.