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 Arachnofiend wrote:
Speaking of unreliable Natfka rumors...

Damn, it's really hard to believe this but I really WANT to believe it. Imagine if the Necron side was Maynarkh, with a Xun'bakyr model and updated flayed ones... *drool*

LOL, It's totally not happening but I'd love if it were true.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.

I want to belieeeeve

I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.

I want to belieeeeve

I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.

That's because they are, the admech more or less worship a c'tan in some respects. Beyond that it's stagnated technology that barely works without a prayer vs galaxy conquering technology that's tried and tested.

Don't get me wrong they can tear chunks out of one another fluff wise but if a tomb world wanted a forgeworld gone, they'd be the ones to do it.

The admech couldn't stop three necron ships from landing on Mars, one of the most fortified planets in the IoM. Of course as with all 40k power comparisons, it depends on who has plot armor at the moment. But one thing we can say for certain is The ad mech is absoluetly ameatuer hour compared with the necrons when it comes to technology.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.

I want to belieeeeve

I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.

I mean, I'm an ex-Necron player looking for an excuse to get back into the army (which is going to be harder with how good the Thousand Sons codex looks...).

But to drum up a little excitement on the AdMech side, I have two words for you: Skitarii Prime.

Dudeface wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Hmm, it's been pointed out that the AdMech codex's timeline actually has a LOT of Necron activity detailed within; apparently the Necrons are trying to resecure deposits of the material that the Cadian pylons are made of in an effort to contain the Chaos threat, which is a problem for the Mechanicum because many of the Forge Worlds were built on deposits of the stuff. Compared to, say, the timeline in the Space Marines codex, Necrons are only mentioned once.

I want to belieeeeve

I don't. New models might be interesting, but I've heard this song before and it's not one I care to hear again - GW have a history of making the AdMech look like chumps when Necrons or C'tan are involved.

That's because they are, the admech more or less worship a c'tan in some respects. Beyond that it's stagnated technology that barely works without a prayer vs galaxy conquering technology that's tried and tested.

And that garbage is exactly what I'm on about - Graham McNeill has a lot to answer for with the pish he came up with for Mechanicum. The AdMech existed long before either Dread Cthulu Robotmen or Ripoff Egyptian Robotmen, and their story was far superior before any Necron nonsense was involved; doing so robs them of all agency, and so robs their story of all meaning. As they were before(and still are as far as I'm concerned - the one good thing about the Mat Ward Tomb Kings Iiiin Spaaaaace! rewrite was that it allows Mechanicum's rubbish to be read in a way that nullifies the original intent of it) the Mechanicus were an appropriately grimdark Transhumanist cautionary tale, an example of how human nature and extreme circumstances can just as easily turn technology to dystopia as utopia. The Dragon vs Goldenboy BS completely and fatally undermines all that because without agency, without choice, the genesis and eventual end state of the Mechanicus doesn't say anything about humanity at all, it's merely another bit of Just As Planned hyping to try and make the Emperor look like a brain-genius despite all his obvious and catastrophic mistakes.

More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore? How would Necron players like it if GW put out a novel that pulled some ACKSHOOALEE nonsense whereby Necrons have really been Chaos Androids all along like the original iteration of the models, and their favoured faction has been played like a fiddle by another one since the beginning? The whole festering carbuncle is a relic of an era of background writing - one where they desperately wanted to make people accept the new faction was Really Important and so inserted the C'tan into everyone else's history as much as possible - that GW have stated they supposedly wanted to get away from.

I just hope they meant it.

 Yodhrin wrote:


More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?

Genstealer Cults?

 Yodhrin wrote:

More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?

Tau. With Eldar, basically.

 Yodhrin wrote:
More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?

Sisters of Battle? Budget Space Marines, believing a lie invented by bigger Space Marine (Lorgar)?

 Irbis wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore?

Sisters of Battle? Budget Space Marines, believing a lie invented by bigger Space Marine (Lorgar)?

Space Marines themselves arguably. In fact I'd say "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS A LIE" is one of the biggest constants of 40k

Now I'll say that Yodhrin has a very valid point and I actually agree with him.
But at the same time I'm one of the guys that prefers Newcrons over Oldcrons. Yeah Tomb Kings in space are very cool and leave space to actually make Necrons "Your dudes" and give them character.
Even Tyranids had more personalization than oldcrons. But this is offtopic!

Aren't there a couple unsolved rumor engine pics that look AdMech?

Daedalus81 wrote:
Aren't there a couple unsolved rumor engine pics that look AdMech?

There's really just one but even then it could be something scenery related.

Verviedi's been slacking a bit in updating the Rumor Engine thread.

The Horus Heresy books also made it so the Heresy is the reason the Tyranids came to our galaxy, so GW doesn't always know when to leave well enough alone, creating uninteresting and uninspired comic-book levels of "everything's connected" nonsense.

So it is any wonder they wanted to tie all AdMech stuff to the C'Tan/Necrons at one stage, making "Everything is a LIE!" the standard for the AdMech as Yod said.

 Yodhrin wrote:


And that garbage is exactly what I'm on about - Graham McNeill has a lot to answer for with the pish he came up with for Mechanicum. The AdMech existed long before either Dread Cthulu Robotmen or Ripoff Egyptian Robotmen, and their story was far superior before any Necron nonsense was involved; doing so robs them of all agency, and so robs their story of all meaning. As they were before(and still are as far as I'm concerned - the one good thing about the Mat Ward Tomb Kings Iiiin Spaaaaace! rewrite was that it allows Mechanicum's rubbish to be read in a way that nullifies the original intent of it) the Mechanicus were an appropriately grimdark Transhumanist cautionary tale, an example of how human nature and extreme circumstances can just as easily turn technology to dystopia as utopia. The Dragon vs Goldenboy BS completely and fatally undermines all that because without agency, without choice, the genesis and eventual end state of the Mechanicus doesn't say anything about humanity at all, it's merely another bit of Just As Planned hyping to try and make the Emperor look like a brain-genius despite all his obvious and catastrophic mistakes.

More than that though - AdMech aren't just part of the backstory any more, they're a faction of their own; what other faction in the game is presented as a complete, objective stooge for another? I'm not talking about Codex fluff presenting each given army as being the bestest and most awesomest ever, what other faction basically has "and everything they believe and ever did believe and everything their whole society is based on is a total lie and really they're just budget-brand [Other Faction]" tacked on at the end of all their lore? How would Necron players like it if GW put out a novel that pulled some ACKSHOOALEE nonsense whereby Necrons have really been Chaos Androids all along like the original iteration of the models, and their favoured faction has been played like a fiddle by another one since the beginning? The whole festering carbuncle is a relic of an era of background writing - one where they desperately wanted to make people accept the new faction was Really Important and so inserted the C'tan into everyone else's history as much as possible - that GW have stated they supposedly wanted to get away from.

I just hope they meant it.

Man that's some salt, and some bs. There is a Necron warrior in the rogue trader book, they got their first model and rules in second ed (WD 216), and became a major faction in third. When did ad mech get a codex, or anything beyond a cursory mention? The development of admech as a faction has mostly occurred after the necrons were introduced. So it's BS to portray yourself as some fluff purist wronged by faction overreach, when what you really want it to retcon the entire history of admech to meet your specific vision of them.

Both Necrons and AdMech are younger than Orks ya puny gits!

Your arguing is kinda moot gents; both Necrons and AdMech represent the same thing (just one is ahead of the other in terms of their journey), that being the tragic over-reliance on technology and the disastrous consequences of such. AdMech are a few millennia from turning themselves in to Necron equivalents.

Also I would be incredibly surprised to see an AdMech vs Necrons box, particularly given the complete lack of any source for the rumour.

AdMech theoretical science based on a wing and a prayer is completely different from divine Necron living technology. Implying they are the same is racist.

Hello folks. Hope I'm posting in the right place, but I basically created an account to ask this question:

Given the list of codexes to expect in 2018, should I put all hopes for a full blown Inquisition/ Imerpial Agents codex off until 2019?

A furious search across google has yielded very little in terms of rumours....

Hopefully I can catch wind of something here.

Smitetheheretic wrote:
Hello folks. Hope I'm posting in the right place, but I basically created an account to ask this question:

Given the list of codexes to expect in 2018, should I put all hopes for a full blown Inquisition/ Imerpial Agents codex off until 2019?

A furious search across google has yielded very little in terms of rumours....

Hopefully I can catch wind of something here.

Even the more generous rumours only go as far as June. That still leaves half the year.

Doesn't mean it will happen, but there's no reason to give up hope either.

 Asmodai wrote:

Smitetheheretic wrote:
Hello folks. Hope I'm posting in the right place, but I basically created an account to ask this question:

Given the list of codexes to expect in 2018, should I put all hopes for a full blown Inquisition/ Imerpial Agents codex off until 2019?

A furious search across google has yielded very little in terms of rumours....

Hopefully I can catch wind of something here.

Even the more generous rumours only go as far as June. That still leaves half the year.

Doesn't mean it will happen, but there's no reason to give up hope either.

Bollocks.

Proceeding with Inquisition henchmen conversion project anyway. Call me a heretic, but I'll have 18 more acolytes of all shapes, sizes and sprues ready to rescue the Imperium from its blind decent into the dark pits of chaos.

Thank you for at least a half-year of solace.

according to BOLS at LVO they announced the next 3 codices, Dark Eldar, tau then necrons

BrianDavion wrote:
according to BOLS at LVO they announced the next 3 codices, Dark Eldar, tau then necrons

Necrons and AdMech are both getting a new model (Necrons are getting a plastic cryptek and they don't say what AdMech are getting) which lends credence to the boxed set rumor.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
according to BOLS at LVO they announced the next 3 codices, Dark Eldar, tau then necrons

Necrons and AdMech are both getting a new model (Necrons are getting a plastic cryptek and they don't say what AdMech are getting) which lends credence to the boxed set rumor.

I hope we get more than just a plastic cyrptek!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/26/new-codexes-factions-our-heroes-and-more-breaking-news-from-the-las-vegas-opengw-homepage-post-1/

 ImAGeek wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/26/new-codexes-factions-our-heroes-and-more-breaking-news-from-the-las-vegas-opengw-homepage-post-1/

Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

 Sasori wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/26/new-codexes-factions-our-heroes-and-more-breaking-news-from-the-las-vegas-opengw-homepage-post-1/

Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

Supposedly that's it. The book is purportedly going to make Necrons "far more mobile".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/26/new-codexes-factions-our-heroes-and-more-breaking-news-from-the-las-vegas-opengw-homepage-post-1/

Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

Supposedly that's it. The book is purportedly going to make Necrons "far more mobile".

They need a lot more than that, to be viable. So far all the Dexs have been good. I hope for a Tyranids esque one!

 Sasori wrote:
Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

You won't. It's like most of the Codex releases - the book, a token miniature, and done.

One does wonder what the new mini-Knight is meant to go with? AdMech got their book.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

You won't. It's like most of the Codex releases - the book, a token miniature, and done.

One does wonder what the new mini-Knight is meant to go with? AdMech got their book.

It'll be admech and have it's rules in the box, right?

Maybe it'll be a special release along side the rumored set of admech vs necrons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Damn, that Cryptek is an awesome model. I hope we get a few more Necron Models....

You won't. It's like most of the Codex releases - the book, a token miniature, and done.

One does wonder what the new mini-Knight is meant to go with? AdMech got their book.

Maybe knights will get their own codex this edition, and they figured rather than having 3 or 4 models, you can have a couple big ones and a bunch of little ones.