40k codex release schedule rumor

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**RiTides**

I think we've covered the two sides of possible viewpoints on SoB release / non-releases well enough, now.

Let's drop that and return to the topic of 40k release schedule based on the current info we have. Thanks all

**gorgon**

NM.

**Sunny Side Up**

Crazyterran wrote:
I suspect we'll see KDK/World Eaters whenever they are getting ready to release Angron. Either will make sense for Angron, since Angron is pretty firmly team Khorne, rather than mostly his own thing like Kharn.

That makes no sense. Khorne Daemonkin are a religious cult worshipping Bloothirsters as deities. That was why Kharn, Karanak and a few other, less-than-religious guys weren't in the codex. I doubt Angron would've found the faith and been grovelling at the feet of Bloodthirsters 10,000 years later.

If they absolutely have to dumb down everything Chaos in 40K 8th with Heresy-references, they probably should include some Khorne-only Word Bearer guys like the Sanctified in KDK, but certainly no World Eater stuff. Overall, I'd certainly prefer KDK, Crimson Slaughter, etc.. to remain Heresy-free, no Heresy-characters, no VotlW, etc..

**ZebioLizard2**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:
I suspect we'll see KDK/World Eaters whenever they are getting ready to release Angron. Either will make sense for Angron, since Angron is pretty firmly team Khorne, rather than mostly his own thing like Kharn.

That makes no sense. Khorne Daemonkin are a religious cult worshipping Bloothirsters as deities. That was why Kharn, Karanak and a few other, less-than-religious guys weren't in the codex. I doubt Angron would've found the faith and been grovelling at the feet of Bloodthirsters 10,000 years later.

Given the last time he was given stats he had an entire bodyguard of Bloodthirsters, I really doubt that as well.

**RiTides**

Had to remove a few posts. Let's stay on topic and drop the tangent from last page. Thanks all

**gorgon**

Seems like it'd work fine for KDK if you establish that Angron is one of the entities being worshipped.

But as ZebioLizard said, what we'll get is Codex: World Eaters -- possibly with some kind of evolution of Blood Tithe. And I expect that the fluff will see Kharn returning to the fold somewhat and he'll therefore be in the codex. Note that this has happened with both Ahriman and Typhus.

**BrookM**

I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

Isn't Khârn an outcast due to his breaking of two Legions?

**gorgon**

BrookM wrote:
I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

Isn't Khârn an outcast due to his breaking of two Legions?

Breaking of his own legion. Basically he had the flipout to end all flipouts, butchering a bunch of his own guys. The WE turned on each other and then fragmented into smaller warbands and ceased to be a functioning legion.

So the narrative for the codex will likely be a return of the prodigal son thing, with the reforming of the WE legion under Angron another sign that End Times have truly arrived, etc.

Basically the narrative for all these legions is evolving to allow for all of the affiliated units to be captured in a single codex. I'm sure there are folks upset by this, but to me it only makes sense. *shrug*

**BrookM**

Didn't the Emperor's Children also break during that event?

It would be neat if they also got their own codex, complete with a big ass Naga Primarch.

**Grimgold**

The world eaters reforming into a legion seems a bit unlikely, It's not like Angron ever wanted to lead a legion in the first place, and what's left of Kharns brain after millenia of the nails cooking his noodle probably isn't capable of the detachment necessary to effectively lead a legion ethier. I think it's more likely they could be the exception to the legion per god thing, and instead of getting codex world eaters, we get codex khorne daemonkin and friends.

**andysonic1**

Angron clearly DOES want to reform and lead his legion, as seen in the lore for the First War for Armageddon where he successfully gathers the legion together with the Khorne Daemon legions to invade the planet. It was temporary but he WOULD like his legion to at least be able to attack a common foe without killing themselves.

...In this case, the unity of the powers of Chaos was triggered by the arrival of the Space Hulk Devourer of Stars around a Daemon World within the Eye of Terror that was controlled by the Daemon Prince and former Primarch Angron and his World Eaters Traitor Legion. Angron had spent much of the last 10 millennia attempting to restore some level of unity amongst the divided warbands of what had once been his XII Legion of Space Marines. The World Eaters' dedication to the Blood God Khorne during the Horus Heresy had reduced them for much of that time into a fractious force of Khornate Berserkers just as likely to kill each other as their true foes. The emergence of the Devourer of Stars into orbit around Angron's Daemon World provided just the opportunity he had been looking for to recreate some semblance of common purpose for his scattered Legion. The Space Hulk proved sufficiently large enough to carry huge numbers of Chaotic troops but only on an erratic course into realspace. This is how the Forces of Chaos unexpectedly emerged from the Warp aboard the Space Hulk in the Armageddon System in 444.M41.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/First_War_for_Armageddon

**Scarey Nerd**

Are we expecting to hear the next codex today or tomorrow, alongside T'au preorders, or will it not be until next weekend?

**SideSwipe**

BrookM wrote:
I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

Isn't Khârn an outcast due to his breaking of two Legions?

He's not an outcast as there's nothing to be an outcast from - the WE legion doesn't exist in any recognisable form. You have a series of fractured warbands which are descended from the WE legion, but there's no central command structure to put a proper military organisation in place.

Kharn is more of a figure of legend than anything else - all Berzerkers would look up to him as a figure of aspiration[though this would mean they aspire to kill him and take his place, as is the behaviour of CSM] and follow him, though this would manifest as following in his wake rather than following his command.

**ImAGeek**

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Are we expecting to hear the next codex today or tomorrow, alongside T'au preorders, or will it not be until next weekend?

Tau preorder is the 10th. We might know which is next if it goes for preorder the following week, otherwise we probably won’t know until the Sunday before it goes for preorder.

**Togusa**

I hope the new Tau Codex gives riptides 20 wounds @ T8.

And I hope stealth suits get -2 to incoming shots.

**Ghaz**

We won't know which codex is next until they make their weekly Sunday announcement as to what's going on preorder at the end of the week and that codex is listed.

Also note, Codex T'au is not on preorder this week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/25/coming-next-week-shadow-ruins/

**Yodhrin**

gorgon wrote:
BrookM wrote:
I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

Isn't Khârn an outcast due to his breaking of two Legions?

Breaking of his own legion. Basically he had the flipout to end all flipouts, butchering a bunch of his own guys. The WE turned on each other and then fragmented into smaller warbands and ceased to be a functioning legion.

So the narrative for the codex will likely be a return of the prodigal son thing, with the reforming of the WE legion under Angron another sign that End Times have truly arrived, etc.

Basically the narrative for all these legions is evolving to allow for all of the affiliated units to be captured in a single codex. I'm sure there are folks upset by this, but to me it only makes sense. *shrug*

I mean, it's not illogical, but is it necessary? I don't ever recall feeling a need for stuff to be all neatly roped together in an "official" narrative just because they shared a codex, as long as they were mechanically able to interact and had some evident connection to the theme of the book that was enough, and doing things this way really seems to be leading to "Small World Syndrome" where everything important happening everywhere in the galaxy features the same dozen or so characters. "This book has all the Khorne-aligned Marine stuff in it, use it how you like" is perfectly sufficient IMO. But I suspect the disconnect with GW's modern direction is that last bit there, they've moved away from providing a setting for us to do what we want with in favour of doling out a storyline that you either participate in or make do with nothing.

**v0iddrgn**

Togusa wrote:
I hope the new Tau Codex gives riptides 20 wounds @ T8.

And I hope stealth suits get -2 to incoming shots.

I certainly hope not! Riptides should be decently durable so as to not be considered a glass cannon but they shouldn't be as tough as a Monolith. Sorry, but no.

**daedalus**

Has there been anything official actually said about the Tau release other than the little WD bit?

**gorgon**

Yodhrin wrote:
gorgon wrote:
BrookM wrote:
I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

Isn't Khârn an outcast due to his breaking of two Legions?

Breaking of his own legion. Basically he had the flipout to end all flipouts, butchering a bunch of his own guys. The WE turned on each other and then fragmented into smaller warbands and ceased to be a functioning legion.

So the narrative for the codex will likely be a return of the prodigal son thing, with the reforming of the WE legion under Angron another sign that End Times have truly arrived, etc.

Basically the narrative for all these legions is evolving to allow for all of the affiliated units to be captured in a single codex. I'm sure there are folks upset by this, but to me it only makes sense. *shrug*

I mean, it's not illogical, but is it necessary? I don't ever recall feeling a need for stuff to be all neatly roped together in an "official" narrative just because they shared a codex, as long as they were mechanically able to interact and had some evident connection to the theme of the book that was enough, and doing things this way really seems to be leading to "Small World Syndrome" where everything important happening everywhere in the galaxy features the same dozen or so characters. "This book has all the Khorne-aligned Marine stuff in it, use it how you like" is perfectly sufficient IMO. But I suspect the disconnect with GW's modern direction is that last bit there, they've moved away from providing a setting for us to do what we want with in favour of doling out a storyline that you either participate in or make do with nothing.

Nothing's necessary. But I think that it's simply dumb to keep Kharn separate from a Khorne book because of narrative nuance. People identify Kharn with Khorne...and they're supposed to, because GW intentionally named the character that way. What's more, 'Where's Kharn?" was a common refrain when the old KDK book was released.

This time around they'll give players what they want, and a more intuitive approach to content organization.

**Togusa**

v0iddrgn wrote:
Togusa wrote:
I hope the new Tau Codex gives riptides 20 wounds @ T8.

And I hope stealth suits get -2 to incoming shots.
I certainly hope not! Riptides should be decently durable so as to not be considered a glass cannon but they shouldn't be as tough as a Monolith. Sorry, but no.

My attempt at levity and sarcasm failed. :(

Automatically Appended Next Post:
I had an idea for a change to Marker Lights.

"A unit with marker lights may forego shooting during their shooting phase in order to mark a target. This unit may not move or charge. A unit marked by a marker light has failed shooting attacks made against it of a 1 rerolled, and seeker missiles hit on normal ballistic skill when targeting marked unit."

Fluffy, and accurate to what a laser designator actually does.

**Galas**

Just put Kharn in the Khorne Codex and have his lore saying that he don't follow their religious principles but hes the damm Kharn and he goes where is carnage.

**Yodhrin**

gorgon wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
gorgon wrote:
BrookM wrote:
I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

Isn't Khârn an outcast due to his breaking of two Legions?

Breaking of his own legion. Basically he had the flipout to end all flipouts, butchering a bunch of his own guys. The WE turned on each other and then fragmented into smaller warbands and ceased to be a functioning legion.

So the narrative for the codex will likely be a return of the prodigal son thing, with the reforming of the WE legion under Angron another sign that End Times have truly arrived, etc.

Basically the narrative for all these legions is evolving to allow for all of the affiliated units to be captured in a single codex. I'm sure there are folks upset by this, but to me it only makes sense. *shrug*

I mean, it's not illogical, but is it necessary? I don't ever recall feeling a need for stuff to be all neatly roped together in an "official" narrative just because they shared a codex, as long as they were mechanically able to interact and had some evident connection to the theme of the book that was enough, and doing things this way really seems to be leading to "Small World Syndrome" where everything important happening everywhere in the galaxy features the same dozen or so characters. "This book has all the Khorne-aligned Marine stuff in it, use it how you like" is perfectly sufficient IMO. But I suspect the disconnect with GW's modern direction is that last bit there, they've moved away from providing a setting for us to do what we want with in favour of doling out a storyline that you either participate in or make do with nothing.

Nothing's necessary. But I think that it's simply dumb to keep Kharn separate from a Khorne book because of narrative nuance. People identify Kharn with Khorne...and they're supposed to, because GW intentionally named the character that way. What's more, 'Where's Kharn?" was a common refrain when the old KDK book was released.

This time around they'll give players what they want, and a more intuitive approach to content organization.

Where did I say they shouldn't put Kharn in the Khorne book? I said they don't need to write some big convoluted storyline to do so, he's already aligned with Khorne, so IMO just put him in the book and let players decide what the story reason for him being in their army is.

**Slayer-Fan123**

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Unthinkable people might want models released for their factions, eh?

They're constantly being obnoxious about it though. Nobody is allowed to complain about their model status whatsoever, even Chaos Marines with their ghastly Havocs or Eldar with their Finecrap Aspect Warriors, as long as Sisters players are posting. Even I have experienced this, who was told to shut it about wanting different Flayed Ones instead of the current...things.

**Togusa**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Unthinkable people might want models released for their factions, eh?

They're constantly being obnoxious about it though. Nobody is allowed to complain about their model status whatsoever, even Chaos Marines with their ghastly Havocs or Eldar with their Finecrap Aspect Warriors, as long as Sisters players are posting. Even I have experienced this, who was told to shut it about wanting different Flayed Ones instead of the current...things.

I have experienced this as well. I once said I'd love to have plastic Lictors, I might have also mentioned plastic Fireblade. And I was shouted down by three sisters fans to the point that I left the facebook group.

**H.B.M.C.**

The same the world over...

BrookM wrote:
I'm surprised that both Ahriman and Typhus returned to their parent legions, as both were seen as outlaws / rogue elements.

When you think about it, all the Legion-specific special Characters are/were renegades.

Typhus and Morty hate each other.
Ahriman and Magnus hate each other.
Kharn is responsible for his legion breaking apart, and I doubt Angron has much love for him.
Fabius basically wants nothing to do with the Emperor's Children.

(Lucius came later)

Form a narrative perspective I think it'd be better to leave them as opposing groups, so that not every army you build has to be in the same mindset. "Oh my Death Guard follow Typhus' example!" "My World Eaters are true loyalists and stuck with Angron after the breakup of the legion!", things like that, rather than "I play 1KSons, we do what ever Lord Nipplehorns says.".

**Yodhrin**

But if they did that, people might not buy Lord Nipplehorns.

**Galas**

Thats the lore of both the TS codex and the DG Codex. Theres the bulk of the legions that follow the primarch (This is more prevalent in DG because they are one of the more organized Chaos Legions), then theres a big group that follow Ahriman/Typhus (In the case of Typhus they are inside the organization of the Death Guard but they act much more independently), and then theres other smaller groups that are more like "renegade" warbands, or follow other Chaos Lords in mixed Chaos groups, etc...

I don't see why you are asuming that is gonna change in a future World Eaters Codex. Youll have the bulk that follow Argron, a bunch that follow Kharn, and then groups that do whatever they want.

**ZebioLizard2**

To be fair to Ahriman he got cast out because Magnus was really, really pissed over everyone becoming dust. When Magnus forgave Ahriman and called him back, there was no real issue.

Kharn just went his separate way. Typhus is the one that actively rebelled and honestly dislikes the way Typhus does things, Fabius just doesn't really care about chaos as a whole and just wants to do his fancy experiments (Lucius would probably agree to come back to Fulgrim though, Lucius just wants to continue fighting the best of the best)

**Niiai**

Any GSC on that scheduel?