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Some nice hints there. Wonder if Armigers are going to have two datasheets per variant - one for AM and one for the knight houses.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Some nice hints there. Wonder if Armigers are going to have two datasheets per variant - one for AM and one for the knight houses.

I don't see why, the only difference is the Questoris Mechanicus vs Questoris Imperailis keyword. Knights already take up too many datasheets for what are just weapon swaps as it is.

Really liking those new imperial knight models.

So, back to the release rumor - Dark Eldar next, hmm?

*Patiently steeples fingers while awaiting delicious rumor-morsels like pain loving spider*

 Aetare wrote:
Really liking those new imperial knight models.

They are pretty neat. Strange how they are LoW though. I was expecting them to be heavies.

I'm not sure how this is balanced though. I mean, how are the necrons going to deal with 2 mini knights?

 reds8n wrote:
best if we keep the necron/ad meh stuff to that specific thread.

ta.

the_scotsman wrote:
So, back to the release rumor - Dark Eldar next, hmm?

*Patiently steeples fingers while awaiting delicious rumor-morsels like pain loving spider*

If the forge bane box is any hint, probably Necrons after Tau.

 Grimgold wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
So, back to the release rumor - Dark Eldar next, hmm?

*Patiently steeples fingers while awaiting delicious rumor-morsels like pain loving spider*

If the forge bane box is any hint, probably Necrons after Tau.

earlier in the thread someone said that the guy who correctly called the exact contents of the necron box also said that DE were after tau, so that's where I'm getting the assumption from.

*shrug* I guess I wouldn't mind either way, it's gonna be a difference of two weeks give or take.

I think "For the Greater Good" is going to be pretty good this time around.
XV02 Battlesuit for Longstrike is nice; it's something I've long been advocating for Battlesuits to do.

Link to article

Focused fire is pretty serious if you need to bring down something tough. It'll be interesting to see what weapons it affects most. There might be a pretty strong case for hitting something like a knight with a HRR or two once it's been wounded.

The other two aren't so interesting. Breach and clear is so situational that it's a bit disappointing really.

Wow. Those are all pretty good. I wish ANY of my armies had something even remotely within the scope of Focused Fire. I mean, it's expensive and probably usually going to be overkill, but sometimes you need overkill.

Mandragola wrote:
Focused fire is pretty serious if you need to bring down something tough. It'll be interesting to see what weapons it affects most. There might be a pretty strong case for hitting something like a knight with a HRR or two once it's been wounded.

The other two aren't so interesting. Breach and clear is so situational that it's a bit disappointing really.

Nah, three command points to use.

changemod wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Focused fire is pretty serious if you need to bring down something tough. It'll be interesting to see what weapons it affects most. There might be a pretty strong case for hitting something like a knight with a HRR or two once it's been wounded.

The other two aren't so interesting. Breach and clear is so situational that it's a bit disappointing really.

Nah, three command points to use.

To, say, get +1 to wounds a guy like Magnus, or a beatstick deathstar unit with everything else in your army? I think it's worth the CP in those situations. Plus Tau aren't going to hurting for CPs. You might not use it absolutely every game, but I'd bet that canny Tau players will use it a lot.

Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

 Fenris-77 wrote:

changemod wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Focused fire is pretty serious if you need to bring down something tough. It'll be interesting to see what weapons it affects most. There might be a pretty strong case for hitting something like a knight with a HRR or two once it's been wounded.

The other two aren't so interesting. Breach and clear is so situational that it's a bit disappointing really.

Nah, three command points to use.

To, say, get +1 to wounds a guy like Magnus, or a beatstick deathstar unit with everything else in your army? I think it's worth the CP in those situations. Plus Tau aren't going to hurting for CPs. You might not use it absolutely every game, but I'd bet that canny Tau players will use it a lot.

More than that, it's a T'au Sept ability.

Tag something like Magnus with the HRRs or whatever, Darkstrider then adds in his Structural Analyzer to the target for a nearby T'au Sept Infantry Unit. It can get mean to where even your basic infantry can put some hurt down.

 Fenris-77 wrote:

changemod wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Focused fire is pretty serious if you need to bring down something tough. It'll be interesting to see what weapons it affects most. There might be a pretty strong case for hitting something like a knight with a HRR or two once it's been wounded.

The other two aren't so interesting. Breach and clear is so situational that it's a bit disappointing really.

Nah, three command points to use.

To, say, get +1 to wounds a guy like Magnus, or a beatstick deathstar unit with everything else in your army? I think it's worth the CP in those situations. Plus Tau aren't going to hurting for CPs. You might not use it absolutely every game, but I'd bet that canny Tau players will use it a lot.

Oh yeah. Wow that's expensive.

It could theoretically be worth it if you have a bunch of railguns - because you'd get extra mortal wounds. I could actually see a case for rail rifle pathfinders against a target like Magnus in that situation. I'm not sure how the maths would work out though - probably not all that well. A unit firing 6 shots and hitting on a 4+ would do 1 mortal wound... which isn't going to change all that much. I guess markerlights could improve that somewhat.

 Therion wrote:
Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

"Overlapping Fields of Fire"(the Cadian specific stratagem) is +1 to hit rolls, not wound rolls.

Mandragola wrote:

Oh yeah. Wow that's expensive.

It could theoretically be worth it if you have a bunch of railguns - because you'd get extra mortal wounds. I could actually see a case for rail rifle pathfinders against a target like Magnus in that situation. I'm not sure how the maths would work out though - probably not all that well. A unit firing 6 shots and hitting on a 4+ would do 1 mortal wound... which isn't going to change all that much. I guess markerlights could improve that somewhat.

And this right here is where Darkstrider comes into play too. Remove a point of Toughness from Magnus, get +1 to Wound rolls against him for your Pathfinders...have fun with it!

 Therion wrote:
Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

Is "Tau Sept" a detachment doctrine type thing like "Cadian" is?

 daedalus wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

Is "Tau Sept" a detachment doctrine type thing like "Cadian" is?

That's correct.

T'au Sept would be also including Shadowsun, Darkstrider, and Longstrike as special character options since they're keyword locked. Also Aun'va(Aun'shi is Vior'la Sept and Farsight is Farsight Enclaves).

Tau have plenty of ways to increase accuracy so this is fine. The bonus to wound rolls also helps rail weapons for their mortal wounds. 3 CP seems fair overall.

 daedalus wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

Is "Tau Sept" a detachment doctrine type thing like "Cadian" is?

Yes. [Sept] is the Tau version of [Chapter] or [Regiment]

 Kanluwen wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

Is "Tau Sept" a detachment doctrine type thing like "Cadian" is?

That's correct.

T'au Sept would be also including Shadowsun, Darkstrider, and Longstrike as special character options since they're keyword locked. Also Aun'va(Aun'shi is Vior'la Sept and Farsight is Farsight Enclaves).

Sounds like it's going to be another one of those situations where there's an obvious super good detachment subfaction choice then if they're winding up with that and most of the characters too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Because "reasons" the Focused Fire costs 3 CP for Tau but only 2 CP for Astra Militarum who are already swimming in CPs.

"Overlapping Fields of Fire"(the Cadian specific stratagem) is +1 to hit rolls, not wound rolls.

Mandragola wrote:

Oh yeah. Wow that's expensive.

It could theoretically be worth it if you have a bunch of railguns - because you'd get extra mortal wounds. I could actually see a case for rail rifle pathfinders against a target like Magnus in that situation. I'm not sure how the maths would work out though - probably not all that well. A unit firing 6 shots and hitting on a 4+ would do 1 mortal wound... which isn't going to change all that much. I guess markerlights could improve that somewhat.

And this right here is where Darkstrider comes into play too. Remove a point of Toughness from Magnus, get +1 to Wound rolls against him for your Pathfinders...have fun with it!

That particular combo is really useful for anything T8 - drop it to T7 so your S5 guns wound on 5's, then up that to 4's with the stratagem - could be very nice for erasing tank-y units. The same math applies to units that are T5 - drop it 4 to wound on 3+ then add +1 to wound on 2's. I can think of lots of uses for both. Of course we're assuming that Darkstrider still works the same way... hopefully he does.

I asked about Darkstrider a few times and saw nothing to suggest he doesn't.

I'd be kinda bummed if they just dropped him though.


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 daedalus wrote:

Sounds like it's going to be another one of those situations where there's an obvious super good detachment subfaction choice then if they're winding up with that and most of the characters too.

T'au, unfortunately, seem to be very much like AdMech in that they seem to be pigeonholed into a single one if you want to use specific characters. That's why I had been hoping for a generic Ghostkeel Commander or Stealth Suit Commander.

It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Just so you guys are aware, Bork'an is a crappy pun of the word broken.

#gak_british_humour

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Drones count I believe.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Some nice hints there. Wonder if Armigers are going to have two datasheets per variant - one for AM and one for the knight houses.

I don't see why, the only difference is the Questoris Mechanicus vs Questoris Imperailis keyword. Knights already take up too many datasheets for what are just weapon swaps as it is.

I'm wondering because Ministorum Priests, for example, have two sheets - identical except one is for Adeptus Ministroum and another for Militarum Auxiliara. Same for Crusaders.

EDIT: Nevermind. I was hopeful for something for regular hammerheads. Probably not!

Dandelion wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Drones count I believe.

Any Tau Sept unit should count.