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Requizen wrote:

 Therion wrote:

 Nevermind wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Even if we changed the modifier system and deleted Dark Reapers these new Tau would still be an army with no soup potential, no psychic buffs and no psychic defense whatsoever, no staying power to win on objectives alone, no special deployment options like SM Scouts to get board control, no alternative win conditions from assault units tying up the enemy army, and finally weapon and stat profiles that mathhammer worse than many existing units in the game. In short, a one dimensional non starter.

Save your rants for when everything is out.

Everything IS out. The guys are ATT leaked the whole book, which fueled my rant. I guess next you’ll say ”We don’t know until we have at least five GTs behind us with the codex”. After that it’ll be ”Let’s wait for Chapter Approved”.

Literally half this website when the Eldar book came out:

"Eldar is trash now, they didn't buff enough and the things that got stronger didn't get stronger enough! No one will ever use this book!"

Exactly, but my favorite dates back to 6th when everyone claimed wraith knights were just two wraithlords and total garbage, then a month later every list had 3.

For the health of the game, GW does need to fix hit modifiers, but again, this is not a Tau specific problem and would be so easily fixed by making modifiers so they don't stack.

You’ll never find a post from me saying any of those things so I don’t see how other people’s miscalculations are relevant here.

 Therion wrote:
You’ll never find a post from me saying any of those things so I don’t see how other people’s miscalculations are relevant here.

Just because you didn't walk into a wall in the past doesn't preclude you from ever doing it in the future. Tau seem very balanced which is a good thing. Comparing them to busted hit mechanics or the biggest offender codex seems like a poor decision.

 Therion wrote:
You’ll never find a post from me saying any of those things so I don’t see how other people’s miscalculations are relevant here.

Oh right my bad, forgot that you were infallible and your predictions are prophecy.

Get a grip. Without having any games under anybody's belt, there's no way to know how the book will play. All we know is that it is generally a buff other than a couple things that were being abused. Maybe it will be bad and require a buff in CA, but there's no way right now to call something garbage when all we have are leaks that no one has actually used other than playtesters.

Wow, so much positivity for an unseen book... :(

rtb02 wrote:
Wow, so much positivity for an unseen book... :(

It’s not an unseen book though.

That said, it’s interesting that apparently negative reviews are baseless and premature, but it’s acceptable to be hyped about hunter killer missiles and command points that can make you Catachan for a turn. Carry on.

Tousand son was worse.

 Therion wrote:
You’ll never find a post from me saying any of those things so I don’t see how other people’s miscalculations are relevant here.

Past performance is not an indicator of future results.

 Therion wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
Wow, so much positivity for an unseen book... :(

It’s not an unseen book though.

That said, it’s interesting that apparently negative reviews are baseless and premature, but it’s acceptable to be hyped about hunter killer missiles and command points that can make you Catachan for a turn. Carry on.

There's negative reviews, then there are reviews where one is entirely critical and full of doom and gloom made on ones ass having never built a single list...

 Therion wrote:

 Nevermind wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Even if we changed the modifier system and deleted Dark Reapers these new Tau would still be an army with no soup potential, no psychic buffs and no psychic defense whatsoever, no staying power to win on objectives alone, no special deployment options like SM Scouts to get board control, no alternative win conditions from assault units tying up the enemy army, and finally weapon and stat profiles that mathhammer worse than many existing units in the game. In short, a one dimensional non starter.

Save your rants for when everything is out.

Everything IS out. The guys are ATT leaked the whole book, which fueled my rant. I guess next you’ll say ”We don’t know until we have at least five GTs behind us with the codex”. After that it’ll be ”Let’s wait for Chapter Approved”.

REEEEEEEEEEE. Just calm down man. It'll all be fine.

What is ATT

yellowfever wrote:
What is ATT

advanced tau tactica

Thanks.

 Therion wrote:

 Nevermind wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Even if we changed the modifier system and deleted Dark Reapers these new Tau would still be an army with no soup potential, no psychic buffs and no psychic defense whatsoever, no staying power to win on objectives alone, no special deployment options like SM Scouts to get board control, no alternative win conditions from assault units tying up the enemy army, and finally weapon and stat profiles that mathhammer worse than many existing units in the game. In short, a one dimensional non starter.

Save your rants for when everything is out.

Everything IS out. The guys are ATT leaked the whole book, which fueled my rant. I guess next you’ll say ”We don’t know until we have at least five GTs behind us with the codex”. After that it’ll be ”Let’s wait for Chapter Approved”.

At least we don't have to listen to tneva tell us everything is a sales ploy now and Gamgee won't come back. Win win.

I'm poking over at ATT and I don't see a full on leak.

I do see...

D3 heal
Ignore brackets for a suit

So unless you have a link...no...they have not leaked the whole book. I do see a bunch of people spazzing though.

Is this you?

Shaal wrote:
There’s a stratagem that allows you to ignore the wound level of a battlesuit for the turn.

relasine wrote:
I'm still seeing lots of holes that have me super-concerned.

Is there anything like the following in the codex?

1. A stratagem, wargear, or ability that allows you to ignore penalties to shooting (RE: the Alaitoc Craftworld Trait)
2. Is there a stratagem that allows a unit to shoot twice?
3. Is there a JSJ stratagem for suits?
4. Any psychic defense (Kroot Shaman, etc.)

Shaal wrote:
No
No
No, but the T’au relic sort of does
No

relasine wrote:
RIP T'au

I've been following things on ATT pretty closely and I have not seen the whole book leaked yet. One guy posted the heavy burst cannons profile then deleted his account. As for the rest at least wait to see all the points changes and strategems before you go off for a rant and tear. After that sure be my guest.


Just do it quietly please.

 FirePainter wrote:
I've been following things on ATT pretty closely and I have not seen the whole book leaked yet. One guy posted the heavy burst cannons profile then deleted his account. As for the rest at least wait to see all the points changes and strategems before you go off for a rant and tear. After that sure be my guest.

So he lied to make a point?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
I've been following things on ATT pretty closely and I have not seen the whole book leaked yet. One guy posted the heavy burst cannons profile then deleted his account. As for the rest at least wait to see all the points changes and strategems before you go off for a rant and tear. After that sure be my guest.

So he lied to make a point?

Yes - same thing happened when Craftworlds came out too. End of the world, you know until they sweep LVO.

I don't really think it's a big deal Tau doesn't have psychic defense in this edition after the smite nerf.

 daedalus wrote:
I don't really think it's a big deal Tau doesn't have psychic defense in this edition after the smite nerf.

Yea, and T'au has access to hordes now with how cheap fire warriors are. Yes, they don't have psychic powers or close combat prowess but they sure as hell have the speed, durability, and top notch shooting.

 daedalus wrote:
I don't really think it's a big deal Tau doesn't have psychic defense in this edition after the smite nerf.

Only if your only playing against smite spam, plenty of other psychic powers have will negate alot of benifits eg no way to stop psychic assisted deepstrike charges
So bubble wrap but oh only ghostkeels and stealths have infiltrate, neither are really bubble wrap units. Not bad but some units are still really sounding redundant looking at you kroot pathfinders a little less but vanguard rules realy need to die in a fire

Soo this just got posted on another forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H21Q2rpPBik


Linked to GW France - apparently Brets were French inspired and it also makes mention of Sisters too

Semi-official teasing/hints?!

Ice_can wrote:

Only if your only playing against smite spam, plenty of other psychic powers have will negate alot of benifits eg no way to stop psychic assisted deepstrike charges
So bubble wrap but oh only ghostkeels and stealths have infiltrate, neither are really bubble wrap units. Not bad but some units are still really sounding redundant looking at you kroot pathfinders a little less but vanguard rules realy need to die in a fire

Wouldn't your bubblewrap be fire warriors? Why would you bubblewrap with ghostkeels or stealth suits?

 daedalus wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Only if your only playing against smite spam, plenty of other psychic powers have will negate alot of benifits eg no way to stop psychic assisted deepstrike charges
So bubble wrap but oh only ghostkeels and stealths have infiltrate, neither are really bubble wrap units. Not bad but some units are still really sounding redundant looking at you kroot pathfinders a little less but vanguard rules realy need to die in a fire

Wouldn't your bubblewrap be fire warriors? Why would you bubblewrap with ghostkeels or stealth suits?

I think he meant infiltrate deep strike denial

 Overread wrote:
Soo this just got posted on another forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H21Q2rpPBik


Linked to GW France - apparently Brets were French inspired

Well yeah, wasn't it obvious? Unlike 40k, fantasy was pretty clear with its source of inspiration, as a lot of it was based off of real things. Brets were clearly based off of french arthurian knights.
I mean, one of their dukedoms is called Carcassonne, which is a real French town.

 daedalus wrote:

 Therion wrote:
You’ll never find a post from me saying any of those things so I don’t see how other people’s miscalculations are relevant here.

Past performance is not an indicator of future results.

Except when it supports the argument of the Positivity Police, apparently. Or did you miss that the chain you're quoting started with someone basically saying "some people overreacted about Eldar stuff before, so people *must* be overreacting about Tau now"?

 davou wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

Only if your only playing against smite spam, plenty of other psychic powers have will negate alot of benifits eg no way to stop psychic assisted deepstrike charges
So bubble wrap but oh only ghostkeels and stealths have infiltrate, neither are really bubble wrap units. Not bad but some units are still really sounding redundant looking at you kroot pathfinders a little less but vanguard rules realy need to die in a fire

Wouldn't your bubblewrap be fire warriors? Why would you bubblewrap with ghostkeels or stealth suits?

I think he meant infiltrate deep strike denial

The problem with firewarrior bubble wrap is it won't stop any unit that can fight twice from killing the firewarriors and just consolidate, pile in, consolidating to lock the next closest unit so you can't shoot them.
Ok most of the big stuff has fly but appart from hopeing your firewarriors don't get locked in CC not realy seeing anyway to resist melee alpha strike armies apart from lots of points in egg men.

I wanted the codex to be good, and I'll wait till the codex drops for the final verdict but seeing some nasty counter stratagies that invalidate a lot of the supposed benifits they have listed.

Pathfinders and kroot vanguard move is so easily shut down its pointless unless your throwing away a stealth team or ghostkeel to open up an area for them to advance into.

I think over reacting before getting all the facts is just the internet isn’t it?

Truth is there was a gross overreaction when craftworld was leaked/released which turned out to be unjustified

There is a gross overreaction for this tau release

Neither justifies the other they are mutually exclusive

If tau turn out to be good great or garbage it won’t change the world and if players want to win tournaments then maybe they won’t take tau.

That’s all

Ice_can wrote:


but seeing some nasty counter stratagies that invalidate a lot of the supposed benifits they have listed.

So...its balanced then? I could be misunderstanding you, but I don't think having benefits that have no real weaknesses aren't healthy for the game.
See : Eldar in 6th and 7th ed.

One of the strategique elements of a wargame is to be aware of your weaknesses, and take steps to make sure your opponent doesn't exploit it.
I don't know how in this case as we don't have the book yet, but I'm sure there's something you can do.

Ice_can wrote:
Only if your only playing against smite spam, plenty of other psychic powers have will negate alot of benifits eg no way to stop psychic assisted deepstrike charges

Besides best overwatch in the game you mean?

Tau had no psychic defense in 6th or 7th either. You know, era of conclaves, TS, and seer councils vomiting D-shots by bucketload. Remind me, were Tau bottom grade army then?

Im happy about most of the changes. I like suits, but I've always played hammerheads and FW in devilfish. Not huge castles, but not suit spam either.

Plus, I expect that when the 'enclaves' book finally comes out, there will be some sort of points adjustment or rules compensation making suit spam much more appealing. They couldn't put it into the core tau book without crippling their ability to push out a farsight enclaves sub faction later.

Soup will come, but lets let every main codex get at least its codex before we start complaining about not having three options for allies.