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2018/07/05 17:00:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Ordana wrote: What are peoples opinion on adding a Knight Castellan to a Custodes army (mostly bikes, minimal guard battalion) to provide long range firepower and a fire magnet to draw shots away from the bikes.
It would definitely help the army IMO.
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/07/06 11:51:43
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Gallants can be really good - seems like a solid list to me.
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/07/06 19:56:59
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
stratigo wrote: It feels a bit of a bummer to take a knight outside a full warlord detachment and you are very low on CPs, but otherwise it’s a solid selection
Yeah that's the only problem, after pregame stratagems I only have 3CP left (1 if I take VotBG).
I could switch a Shield Captain for two more Bikes and save 2CP on relics.
Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/07/06 20:34:35
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Id indeed switch a captain for more bikes. Not worth the CP when your this tight already.
Id also just drop all the Misericordia's and spend the points on a few mortars. That 1 attack isn't going to make a difference and the mortars quickly add up to dead objective squads from your enemy.
Not sure if I would bother with the Paragon Gauntlet either.
2018/07/06 20:35:48
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
stratigo wrote: It feels a bit of a bummer to take a knight outside a full warlord detachment and you are very low on CPs, but otherwise it’s a solid selection
Yeah that's the only problem, after pregame stratagems I only have 3CP left (1 if I take VotBG).
I could switch a Shield Captain for two more Bikes and save 2CP on relics.
The lower the points of the game, the more powerful Jetbikes are. Jetbikes at lower levels basically force your opponent to field a skew list while not doing the same to you because the Jetbikes themselves are such all rounders.
So yes, cram in every Jetbike you possibly can (you can also reference my 1,500 point list from 2 pages back or so, which is all Jetbikes and 1 Knight).
2018/07/06 20:54:40
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thoughts? Haven't had mutch experience with Custodes at 1500pts.
Unfortunately, super-heavy Auxiliary detachments are excluded from the section of rules that allows Knight Lances and Household traditions, so you're better off making him a Freeblade to get some sort of bonus. Can still pay CP to give him the WL trait and relic of course
2018/07/06 21:08:18
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Ordana wrote:Id indeed switch a captain for more bikes. Not worth the CP when your this tight already.
Id also just drop all the Misericordia's and spend the points on a few mortars. That 1 attack isn't going to make a difference and the mortars quickly add up to dead objective squads from your enemy.
Not sure if I would bother with the Paragon Gauntlet either.
At the moment I only have the one mortar team (I know,i should be flogged!) and it's built using different Guard models than my current guard. Eventually I'll get round to building some mortars but for now I'll have to go without.
Also, I quite like the paragon gauntlet; it's a great Super Heavy killer now that they are common place.
Audustum wrote:
The lower the points of the game, the more powerful Jetbikes are. Jetbikes at lower levels basically force your opponent to field a skew list while not doing the same to you because the Jetbikes themselves are such all rounders.
So yes, cram in every Jetbike you possibly can (you can also reference my 1,500 point list from 2 pages back or so, which is all Jetbikes and 1 Knight).
Alas, much like mortars, I'm lacking in bikes: I only have 3 bikes and 3 bike captains, not enough for an outrider. Unfortunately I've made the mistake of deciding to convert my entire Custodes force, so after 6 bikes I'm running out of unique ways to customize them.
Spartacus wrote:Unfortunately, super-heavy Auxiliary detachments are excluded from the section of rules that allows Knight Lances and Household traditions, so you're better off making him a Freeblade to get some sort of bonus. Can still pay CP to give him the WL trait and relic of course
Any suggestions on what qualities/burdens to take? They all seem a bit lack luster to me.
Or perhaps I should stay with a household in order to use one of the house stratagems, such as the one that basically makes my knight a house Hawkshroud knight for a turn?
Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/07/07 00:15:38
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I’ve been thinking about adding a Telemon to my list in lieu of adding Knights, but I’ve noticed the Telemon cannot move out of combat and still shoot like a Knight, so it has a real potential of getting tarpitted.
Anyone have experience with the Telemon?
2018/07/07 11:56:24
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
davidgr33n wrote: I’ve been thinking about adding a Telemon to my list in lieu of adding Knights, but I’ve noticed the Telemon cannot move out of combat and still shoot like a Knight, so it has a real potential of getting tarpitted.
Anyone have experience with the Telemon?
I do, it's OK, not as good as I thought it was going to be (I've taken it in a few games now and it has yet to kill anything, only wounded stuff) if you keep it with a Vexilla and Custodes Guard Guard then it discourages people from charging it.
Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/07/07 13:16:11
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Offensively it doesn’t look that scary. In close combat it only has 4 attacks, and shooting the best and cheapest loadout is with double culverins, but to get the 2+ shooting you can’t move, so it limits what you can do. Also, none of the weapons have a high damage profile. I think the Telemon is over-rated.
2018/07/09 10:54:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So I have the obligatory CP farm from IG, giving me 13CP total. Instead of spamming bikes I've gone for 1 squad of 5 backed up by a Captain, while the standard Custodians advance up the board supported by the Telemon.
Thoughts?
2018/07/09 11:31:13
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
The Telemon with Culverins is ok in a pure Custodes list or if you cannot spare another detachment for some heavy support.
But for pure competitiveness there are probably other options. Although if you are playing competitive why not just go Aeldari/Drukhari
2018/07/09 15:11:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
X078 wrote: The Telemon with Culverins is ok in a pure Custodes list or if you cannot spare another detachment for some heavy support.
But for pure competitiveness there are probably other options. Although if you are playing competitive why not just go Aeldari/Drukhari
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2018/07/09 16:59:46
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So I have the obligatory CP farm from IG, giving me 13CP total. Instead of spamming bikes I've gone for 1 squad of 5 backed up by a Captain, while the standard Custodians advance up the board supported by the Telemon.
Thoughts?
Why aren't you mixing the storm shields into the other units to give each Guard unit some more staying power?
Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/07/09 17:19:49
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
@Valkerie
I would drop all the salvo launchers, and upgrade your foot captain to a bike one. The bike can do everything the foot captain does, but also has the speed to help out with an assault or reposition quickly. Plus, you don't really need the salvo launchers, we've done the math earlier in the thread showing that hurricanes are generally just fine and you've got the telemon for ranged anti-armor.
I agree with mrhappyface, I would mix the shields into the other squads. Personally I would also go for more smaller squads (3/3/3/4) so you can spread out more. Custodes are good enough individually that even a single guard can tear up a AM infantry squad, so keeping a big unit just becomes a bigger target and an over-concentration of offensive power into something that moves 6" a turn.
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2018/07/09 20:33:24
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I think a couple of Salvo Launchers could be beneficial when you are bringing a Telemon for anti-tank. My ethos is that if you're investing into AT shooting you should at least be able to kill a tank per furn right? Otherwise just bring more bodies.
A single Telemon will fall just short of that statistically (roughly 11 wounds to T7 3+ or 8.5 to T8), so a couple of melta missiles should help you secure that kill.
Particularly vs T8, I wouldn't trust more Hurricane Bolters to finish off hard targets, even when you can get in rapid fire range.
2018/07/09 21:38:26
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Outrider
Bike captain, hurricane, WL, SC, auric aquilis
3x3 bikes, 2 salvo in each
Battalion
2x bike captain, hurricane
3x3 guard, 1 S&B in each
Terminator vexilla.
I haven't used it but that sounds nastyyyy for pure custodes. The -1 to hit usually encourages my opponent to shoot at whatevers not got it so that means slow stuff can actually get there. This woild also be absolutely disgusting in my local meta. The salvos. are in there for the ranged AT, if I dropped them I could take a culexus though.
Thoughts?
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That would be disgusting, I'm so looking forward to the day that I actually get round to building another two bike units so that I can take a full detachment of them.
Yeah, dropping the Bolters for a Culexus might be an idea if you were to go up against Thousand Sons, Daemons, Eldar, GK, etc.
I'd also personally take a normal Vexilla with an Axe so that he has some offensive capabilities too (also helps when popping transports).
Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/07/11 11:00:38
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Outrider
Bike captain, hurricane, WL, SC, auric aquilis
3x3 bikes, 2 salvo in each
Battalion
2x bike captain, hurricane
3x3 guard, 1 S&B in each
Terminator vexilla.
I haven't used it but that sounds nastyyyy for pure custodes. The -1 to hit usually encourages my opponent to shoot at whatevers not got it so that means slow stuff can actually get there. This woild also be absolutely disgusting in my local meta. The salvos. are in there for the ranged AT, if I dropped them I could take a culexus though.
Thoughts?
Its nice for a pure Custodes list but suffers from the usual problems of a pure Custodes list.
And I expect it to get worse with the introduction of Knights.
Yes you can charge and poke a knight to death turn 2 but your going to lose models are a pretty decent rate and lose effectiveness before he runs out of Knights.
2018/07/11 16:31:28
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I like it. Put the bikes in deep strike if you have to so they don't get alpha striked off the table.
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/07/12 18:46:25
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Oh I definitely agree that for it to be competitive it needs an ig battery, but for pure custodes I can't think of a better list. (Maybe a telemon list)
@mrhappyface that's a decent idea actually, I've just built mine as a terminator.
@Primark G I think putting the bikes in reserve wastes their initial shock. Having to come down in the deployment zone means you can't maneuver into a nicer spot elsewhere, or pop a first turn charge. Also, if I hide 1-2 squads in the sky, the other will just be shot off.
Tried a list similar to this today (still need 3 more bikes) and boy did it do work. A horde of DG marines got obliterated. He had over 40 of them, by T3 there were none left.The bikrs did all the heavy lifting, and salvo launchers are tasty against vehicles. Lot of fun.
I actually think the Hurricane bikers are costed ok.
Unfortunately it is not enough to just lower the points for the Terminators since they still lack movement to do anything worth their points.
My first suggestion would be to drop points and add a stratagem that allows their unit to redeploy via teleportation, basically copy and adapt Blood Angels - Upon Wings of Fire stratagem. THAT would make them worthwhile in my view, though i've never heard of them introducing new Stratagems.
But realistically change the Praetorian Plate relic to allow teleportation without the silly need of being close to the enemies in their charge phase. Then lower points on the Vexilla Teleport Homer to 1 CP. That combo might do the trick, partly at least. Still not as good as getting a BA like stratagem.
These units needs points reductions and/or amendments in various ways.
Trajann
Allarus
Bike Salvo launcher
All Vexilla units, too expensive and lots of redundant strats. besides being a standalone character the vexilla should be wargear in all units.
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