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 greyknight12 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 _SeeD_ wrote:
Have any of you seen someone try to use multiple Vexilla Magnificas to stack -1s to hit? I don't see any RAW that prevents that. It would obviously be a dick move to try that. If it were to be accepted, I'd imagine it would get FAQed.

The same ability does not stack unless explicitly allowed to, like Night Lord's morale fethery.

The closest thing we have to that is putting one next to an Orion, so we can be at the same level as Eldar flyers.

The way its worded totally precludes any stacking anyway. Your opponent must take a -1 to hit for shooting at Custodes units within 6 inches of any Vex Praetors with this banner. Any meaning one or more.

So can you take multiple of the same vexhilla in the same detatchment?

I'm not a Custodes player and I'll probably never will, but I got the Caladius Grav Tank because it's a sexy model and I want to use it alongside my Guard.

What are your tactics, tips, and tricks while fielding this thing?
Thanks!

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So can you take multiple of the same vexhilla in the same detatchment?

yes you can. But multiple vexilla magnifica don’t stack.

 Hawky wrote:
I'm not a Custodes player and I'll probably never will, but I got the Caladius Grav Tank because it's a sexy model and I want to use it alongside my Guard.

What are your tactics, tips, and tricks while fielding this thing?
Thanks!

Use it’s range, it hits pretty hard with a threat range of 74” including move. That said, it also makes a good screening unit because of gravitic backwash. To really take advantage of it though, you need a vexilla Magnificat for -1 to hit, and a shield captain for re-roll 1s to hit (or Trajan for re-roll 1s to hit and wound). And at that point...you might as well take the full Custodes castle spearhead.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So can you take multiple of the same vexhilla in the same detatchment?

If you take a second vexilla you can take advantage of the relic banner's. There is one that is quite deadly in the right situations actually, allowing you to do D3 mortal wounds to every enemy unit within 6" of the vexilla every turn on a 4+ dice roll.

 Hawky wrote:
I'm not a Custodes player and I'll probably never will, but I got the Caladius Grav Tank because it's a sexy model and I want to use it alongside my Guard.

What are your tactics, tips, and tricks while fielding this thing?
Thanks!

An excellent addon detachment to guard from custodies is:

Outrider

Shield captain on dawneagle x2
Vexilla magnifica/w axe
3x pallas grav assaults
calidius grav tank



Combine this with a brigade instead of a knight if your tired of knights and want a mobile hard hitting force that completely halts your opponents advance across the table while your guard pounds them from afar.

On a different note, anybody with Kill Team Elites have some recommendations for taking our Golden Boys?

From the looks of it, custodian guard are most likely gonna be reduced in points cost so that you can take 5 of them in a 200 point game.

Allarus termies will likely be 3 and a guard

Shield captain will be over 100 himself.


If you put thunder shield on a guard it will likely bump it to the point you cant take 5.




Still, a stock 5 custodian guard will be a great team. Allarus will be much better in kill team than in regular games as their increased ranged output (even if its short ranged) will help them more there.

A team of 3 allarus and a guard/w storm shield will probably be quite potent.

Mini Bat Rep

Custodes + Loyal 32 vs Genestealers.

My list this time brought a loyal 32 + 2 HWTs w/ A custodes spearhead featuring Trajan, 2 Telemon, 3 Callidus, 1 unit of 3 Vertus, and a Vex with Magnifica.

He had a bunch of Genestealers several Units of Blood brothers and Hybrids, 3 HWTs bunch of characters and an Aberrant Bomb. Also had 2 Leman russ commanders

I got to got first and cleared out 1 HWT and almost all the infantry and dinged up the Genestealers pretty good. His turn his stealers charged my bikes and wiped it out them out the Lemans did 3 damage to a Callidus. His mortars dinged up 2 units of infantry but both stuck around.

My turn 2 cleared out the rest of his stealers and his 2 melee characters. Both Tanks took 9 damage. And kill off another unit of HWTs. His turn he droped the Kellermorph in and killer 1 HWT and 1 model out of the other. Tanks couldn't hit anything. Killed off the 2 wounds infantry squads.

Turn 3 I moved up to grab some objectives. Killed the Kellermorph both tanks and a few of his remaining characters and most of the last HWT. His aberants came in and charged the Telemon who kill quite a few in Overwatch. Ended up getting bracketed but was still kicking.

He called it there as he just didn't have enough to deal with the tanks and the abrrerants were really all he had left.


Had another game in which I played imperial soup

Krast knights lance with Gallant, Warglaive and Helreven
Loyal 32 with 2 HWTs

and A custodes spearhead with a unit of 3 Vertus Preators, SCoDEJB and 3 Callidus tanks.

Was playing vs Thousand sons.... I hate Psychic armies so damn much.

Magnus, Arhiman, 2 DPS bunch of Plague bringers you know the drill.

Anyway he got first turn proceed to get max damage on every single smite roll and all his Psychic powers off then warptimed to the knight Gallant and one shotted it with magnus. Fun. I had blown all but 3 of my cp trying to keep gak alive and charge with the Bikes (They failed even with cp reroll) so I conceded. I probably could of pulled it out as mangus was over extended and tied up the plauges with guard.... but I hate playing vs Super Psykic armies with a passion so I just conceded. Probably not the polite thing to do but oh well. Reminds me that I need to fit 85 points in my list so I can always have an Assassin to stop that gak. Lesson Learned.

Thanks for the report, I have been curious about how a force built around “take all the forgeworld tanks” would do, sounds like it still had enough shots to get through GSC. How were your Telemon s equipped? And did the gravitic backwash help vs charges?

 greyknight12 wrote:
Thanks for the report, I have been curious about how a force built around “take all the forgeworld tanks” would do, sounds like it still had enough shots to get through GSC. How were your Telemon s equipped? And did the gravitic backwash help vs charges?

Both telemon's were Dual storm cannons.

Nothing charged the tanks though I used them to screen a telemon on turn 2 so he couldn't get an easy charge off on it. And yes that list had shooting in spades.

The grav tanks + tanglefoot grenade really puts a hamper on peeps relying on a charge. On average, if you use tanglefoot grenade on a unit that is 8" away they cannot make a charge againgst a tank.

I've even stopped a few 3d6" charge units from making it in (bloodletter bomb) with tanglefoot grenades.


It's also funny to do the following (done it once):

Demon prince 6" away charges one of my tanks. tanglefoot grenade roll was a 5 so he fails his charge handily, taking 3 wounds in overwatch. End of the charge phase, my shield captain on dawneagle uses swooping dive on him and finish's him off with exactly 5 damage.

Granted I did spend 4 CP, but killing a demon prince on his own turn is probably worth it.

I recently killed a 1 wound guilliman with overwatch and almost killed a smash captain the same way; I haven’t had a chance to do it yet but spending the 1 CP for overwatch on a 5+ with one of those tanks on something like a smash captain could be a game changer if you roll well.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
The grav tanks + tanglefoot grenade really puts a hamper on peeps relying on a charge. On average, if you use tanglefoot grenade on a unit that is 8" away they cannot make a charge againgst a tank.

I've even stopped a few 3d6" charge units from making it in (bloodletter bomb) with tanglefoot grenades.


It's also funny to do the following (done it once):

Demon prince 6" away charges one of my tanks. tanglefoot grenade roll was a 5 so he fails his charge handily, taking 3 wounds in overwatch. End of the charge phase, my shield captain on dawneagle uses swooping dive on him and finish's him off with exactly 5 damage.

Granted I did spend 4 CP, but killing a demon prince on his own turn is probably worth it.

Tanglefoot are sadly infantry only.

Of course they are, didn't say the tank used it.

I had my vexilla standing behind the tank.

Tanglefoot Naeds also can't be used vs FLY units, was that a walking Daemon Prince?

Don't think I've ever seen seen one of those, in any edition.

it is rare, but it was a local player and he plays his models as they are.

Honestly, when did the Telemon rule change, that you can only take one per list? I am going off the FW rules datasheet, so I am likely behind on the change?

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Honestly, when did the Telemon rule change, that you can only take one per list? I am going off the FW rules datasheet, so I am likely behind on the change?

Beta mini-dex that introduced the bulk of the 30k units.

Is that downloadable like the rules off the website, or do I have to purchase it? Not really an issue, but I just want to see if they changed anything else. Thanks!

you can download it for free here

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forgeworld_Custodes_Datasheets.pdf

 Danarc wrote:
you can download it for free here

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forgeworld_Custodes_Datasheets.pdf

Looking through the doc provided, i didn't see a limit one? Maybe im blind?

Nevermind! I found it. Sorry!

 iGuy91 wrote:

Looking through the doc provided, i didn't see a limit one? Maybe im blind?

They used to be, back in the day when bananna boys had all of four models to play with. The new mini-dex removed that restriction.

Khadorstompy wrote:
Mini Bat Rep

Custodes + Loyal 32 vs Genestealers.

My list this time brought a loyal 32 + 2 HWTs w/ A custodes spearhead featuring Trajan, 2 Telemon, 3 Callidus, 1 unit of 3 Vertus, and a Vex with Magnifica.

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I really appreciate you posting this BC i am in the process of replacing the Castellan in my list with 2 Grav tanks and 1 Telemon but i will include the rusty 17.

Don't you think that the rusty 17 will give to the opponent an easy way to score kill points or an easy way to control an objective (due to their low number)?

About the telemon, yes, now it is possible to deploy more than one copy, but it suffered a deep nerf (and a consequent point reduction) respect his only-one-copy version.

What nerf? The reduction in shots? That is STILL a stupidly powerful unit. I mean, it's no 2x cally tanks, but still. Next to the Orion it's the heaviest thing we can put on the board.

It's like the Hound. It's a big Fether and it's hard to kill.

The new Telemon actually did more damage to 3++ Knights than the old one, I believe, not that those are a thing anymore. I like it.

 Danarc wrote:
Don't you think that the rusty 17 will give to the opponent an easy way to score kill points or an easy way to control an objective (due to their low number)?

About the telemon, yes, now it is possible to deploy more than one copy, but it suffered a deep nerf (and a consequent point reduction) respect his only-one-copy version.

No i thought about them giving up to much kill points. But i don't think it is a problem BC i intend to use whis list in the German TTM tournament format which rarly has kill points. But i think i will really benefit from the MSU that they give me and the teleport and 4+ ban stratagems.

Hey guys, i'm looking for opinion and feedback to starting the custodes army. The plan is to mostly use them to buff my other imperium units, and provide counter assault force. Now, i'm very aware of the jetbikes being ridiculously good, and i'll be planning to add some of them, but not entirely. I'm about to set a limit of 150-200 power level, and i'll appreciate any help on building a list. Here's what i've come up;
- 3x shield captain + 3x vexilla + 3x3 guard (battalion)
- trajann valoris (he seems very powerful)
- 2x shield captain on jetbike + 1-3 units of bikes (not sure)
- terminators (probably 12 models, not sure how to build up)
- custodes wardens (these are optional, to fill up the points)