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2019/06/05 12:27:27
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: I think a better option is to kill them from range...long range. That unit is a substantial points investment, and a significant chunk of their firepower...so kill them with Caladius tanks before they get in range and this be unable to shoot back when they die. A single accelerator cannon with a shield captain nearby puts 3-4 D3 dmg wounds (after saves) on the hellblasters, you get another 2 dmg from the bolt cannon. Running the triple-tank spearhead you can kill almost all of them in a single volley, after which your bikes/termies can go in and kill the other stuff.
Thats fair.
Also makes me wish I had 3 of those bad boys. That castle is a nasty piece of work.
Could probably make it happen as well with a pair of telemon dreds.
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/06/05 22:51:26
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thats fair.
Also makes me wish I had 3 of those bad boys. That castle is a nasty piece of work.
Could probably make it happen as well with a pair of telemon dreds.
To this i say why not both? my current list has 2 Telemon and 3 Grav tanks
2019/06/05 23:53:19
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thats fair.
Also makes me wish I had 3 of those bad boys. That castle is a nasty piece of work.
Could probably make it happen as well with a pair of telemon dreds.
To this i say why not both? my current list has 2 Telemon and 3 Grav tanks
To that i say this.
Forgeworld pricing
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/06/09 20:09:19
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Noob question here:
I keep seeing people mix other armies in with their Custodes. When this happens, do those Custodes still get the "Emperor's Chosen" and "Sworn Guardians" rules? I guess what I'm trying to ask is - doesn't "Battle Forged" mean you have to be a pure army?
2019/06/09 20:12:13
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
_SeeD_ wrote: Noob question here:
I keep seeing people mix other armies in with their Custodes. When this happens, do those Custodes still get the "Emperor's Chosen" and "Sworn Guardians" rules? I guess what I'm trying to ask is - doesn't "Battle Forged" mean you have to be a pure army?
Battleforged only applies to detachments, not armies, at least in the sense you're thinking. So if I have a detachments of Imperial Guard and one of Custodes, the army is battleforged and they each get their bonuses.
2019/06/09 20:15:57
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
_SeeD_ wrote: Noob question here:
I keep seeing people mix other armies in with their Custodes. When this happens, do those Custodes still get the "Emperor's Chosen" and "Sworn Guardians" rules? I guess what I'm trying to ask is - doesn't "Battle Forged" mean you have to be a pure army?
Battleforged only applies to detachments, not armies, at least in the sense you're thinking. So if I have a detachments of Imperial Guard and one of Custodes, the army is battleforged and they each get their bonuses.
OK, so when are armies not Battle Forged?
2019/06/09 21:08:54
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
_SeeD_ wrote: Noob question here:
I keep seeing people mix other armies in with their Custodes. When this happens, do those Custodes still get the "Emperor's Chosen" and "Sworn Guardians" rules? I guess what I'm trying to ask is - doesn't "Battle Forged" mean you have to be a pure army?
Battleforged only applies to detachments, not armies, at least in the sense you're thinking. So if I have a detachments of Imperial Guard and one of Custodes, the army is battleforged and they each get their bonuses.
OK, so when are armies not Battle Forged?
All armies must be linked by one shared keyword. So if I took a detachment from the Imperium and ia detachment from craftworld that would not be a battle forged army. An army can be battleforged but still lose its chapter tactic. An example of this would be if I took one detachment and in that single detachment I placed space wolves and blood angels. This is a legal detachment that is Battle forged because they are unified by the adeptus astartes keyword but it is not a pure to detachment so they lose their chapter tactic.
2019/06/09 21:34:33
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
_SeeD_ wrote: Noob question here:
I keep seeing people mix other armies in with their Custodes. When this happens, do those Custodes still get the "Emperor's Chosen" and "Sworn Guardians" rules? I guess what I'm trying to ask is - doesn't "Battle Forged" mean you have to be a pure army?
Battleforged only applies to detachments, not armies, at least in the sense you're thinking. So if I have a detachments of Imperial Guard and one of Custodes, the army is battleforged and they each get their bonuses.
OK, so when are armies not Battle Forged?
All armies must be linked by one shared keyword. So if I took a detachment from the Imperium and ia detachment from craftworld that would not be a battle forged army. An army can be battleforged but still lose its chapter tactic. An example of this would be if I took one detachment and in that single detachment I placed space wolves and blood angels. This is a legal detachment that is Battle forged because they are unified by the adeptus astartes keyword but it is not a pure to detachment so they lose their chapter tactic.
Right. Thanks for the quick reply.
2019/06/09 21:41:34
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
For this list I'd give up the flexibility of the Assassin stratagem and just pick one. Slap him in an Auxiliary detachment for 1CP. If you go 2 for Operative, I wouldn't also spend 2 on Blood Games.
If you do use Operative, consider using the Moment Shackle right away unless you're planning to use Stopping Dive, in which case use it then
2019/06/10 19:38:37
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Question hive mind. What flavor of contemptor drednought do you think is best? I'm leaning towards getting a Contemptor-Achillus, and keeping it cheap with the stormbolters, or maybe the flamers.
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/06/17 15:42:22
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Um, there is really no competition in the Dreadnaught department. It's Telemon or bust. If you want flavor the contemptor with a glaive is pretty bamf.
2019/06/17 16:24:41
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Um, there is really no competition in the Dreadnaught department. It's Telemon or bust. If you want flavor the contemptor with a glaive is pretty bamf.
Basically this. The Telemon is the competitive dreadnought. If you're determined to take a Contemptor, the Achillus is probably best (currently). One of the testers for this (inControl) thought the Galatus was going to have S12 or so on his sword instead of the S7 he ended up with, so it's possible his strength will be buffed in the future, which would probably make him better than the Achillus.
2019/06/17 17:35:39
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I might also add that if you are dead set on using Dreadnaughts, you are playing thematically, and meta doesn't really matter. Use the model that makes you happy and call it whatever you want. I'm sure if you called your contemptor a counts as Telemon in my store, you'd be just fine. It's not like it's getting confused with anything in the Custodes line up
2019/06/17 19:42:27
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I'm looking to add some hard-hitting firepower to my Custodes, and I'd prefer not to use Caladiuses because, as has been noted before, of their prohibitive pricing. What would be the best course to go? A Knight? Some Leman Russes? Some Onager Dunecrawlers? Thanks.
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2019/06/17 20:03:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Um, staying inside the Custodes for now, a squad of Aquilons with fire pikes and power fists dropping into your opponent's back field has a pucker factor of 11 and causes most people to cry when they see it. 12" heavy flamers and 4 attacks at S10 ap3 damage 3? Yeah, THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!
But seriously, the Aquilons are my go to when I want something dead now. Unless it's toughness 10 or greater, in which case I'm dealing with a titan, and why are you allowing your opponent to field a titan?
2019/06/18 13:26:01
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So I've been on a bit of a binge and have a pretty decent Custodes collection built up, and I'm wondering what would be an effective list for this?
I have the following units at my disposal
Valoris
2x Shield Captains
13x Custodes (5x Sword/Board, 8x Spear)
1x Vexilla
5x Wardens (2x Spear, 3x Axe, 1 can be converted to Vexilla)
2x Achillus Dreadnoughts
3x Aquilon Terminators w. Firepikes
6x Jetbikes (can also be used as Captains)
3x Venatari w. Kinectic/Tarsus
5x Sagittarum Guard
2x Caladius
1x Telemon
I don't want to go too competitive but want to put up a decent fight. My regular opponent runs a mean Tau list which has tabled my Castellan Knights, armoured Guard and Custodes force in the past, using 3x HYMP XV88s, 2x Riptides and a ton of Drones and buffs.
Here's a list I came up with:
Valoris
Jetbike Captain
3x3 Custodes (1x Sword/Board, 2x Spear)
3x Aquilon w. Firepikes
3x Jetbikes
2x Caladius
3x Sagittatum
It seems a bit light on numbers, even by Custodes standards. I'm thinking the firepower should be decent however, 16x S8 DD3 shots from the Caladius, buffed with Valoris should provide a threat to his Broadsides, while the lighter firepower such as the Jetbikes and Sagittarum could go for his Drones.
Thoughts?
2019/06/18 14:59:21
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I don't know how to best counter Tau with Custodes, but against that much shooting, it's best to get in quick for slice and dice mode. You could look at their LoW flying troop ship. It's basically a Thunderhawk with a Callidus strapped to the hull.
2019/06/18 15:04:25
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
-1 to hit Vexillae hurt Tau more than most (50% 33% accuracy penalty), but you're still going to eat a Shadowsun double-Kauyon CnC boosted deathstrike from a Broadside star the first two turns.
Ideally you want to clear the drones before you light up the battlesuits, otherwise savior protocols are gonna seriously blunt whatever you put out. There's a reason the double Riptide + Broadside list is one of the nastiest out there.
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2019/06/18 15:11:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Sterling191 wrote: -1 to hit Vexillae hurt Tau more than most (50% accuracy penalty), but you're still going to eat a Shadowsun double-Kauyon CnC boosted deathstrike from a Broadside star the first two turns.
Ideally you want to clear the drones before you light up the battlesuits, otherwise savior protocols are gonna seriously blunt whatever you put out. There's a reason the double Riptide + Broadside list is one of the nastiest out there.
They usually hit on a 4+. That's a 33% penalty, not 50%.
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2019/06/18 15:17:02
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Depends on how you're running your force IMO. You absolutely want one for your Caladii / Telemon castle. If you're sending in a bunch of bikes to try to shut down the suits, you may want to consider dropping one with an MSU allarus team (for the overwatch shutdown strat) plus or minus a Warden team for maximum stabbing.
Ultimately though, it's gonna be a *very* hard match. Tau weapons are pretty universally suited to shredding low-model count armies like Custodes through weight of multi-damage attacks.
I can't say I was too worried about Tau before, but now I am. I was honestly more worried about the Dark Elves, or the pure IG. Tau seemed like more shooty guard, which sounds weird, but other than battle reports I just have never played against them. Which bugs me. They look amazing.
New question: Bikes come with two different types of stands, clear or matte black. Any preference?
2019/06/18 17:08:35
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
When i last played Tau, they struggled to damage my Telemon with a -1 to hit. I also used LOS to really avoid his worst firepower until I got in. Made his big suits leave the castle to come to me, to get LOS.
Technically, the Orion with a Vexilla is -2 to hit, good luck getting a decent number of hits on it until it hurts you. (Shrug)
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/06/18 17:57:26
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
10000 pts
4000 pts
my current list has 2 Telemon and 3 Grav tanks 
