Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone

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**IHateNids**

Hello

Pardon me if this has already been adressed, but I didnt fancy trying to read th entire thread looking for it....

I have a Supreme Command Detachment of Custodians (Yes, Dawneagle trio, I'm a bad man) to go with my Space Marines, and I was wondering if it is worth buying something to go into the elite slot?

I understand that all of the Custodian Infantry has ObSec when in a bound army, so I am likely to use such a unit to drop in on an objective and steal/contest it for me while my "main" force defends my own.
This unit would likely be put in position to shield and be supported by one of the Bikers.

Any collective wisdom on what unit would be best for this, if any at all?

Many thanks

**Audustum**

IHateNids wrote:
Hello

Pardon me if this has already been adressed, but I didnt fancy trying to read th entire thread looking for it....

I have a Supreme Command Detachment of Custodians (Yes, Dawneagle trio, I'm a bad man) to go with my Space Marines, and I was wondering if it is worth buying something to go into the elite slot?

I understand that all of the Custodian Infantry has ObSec when in a bound army, so I am likely to use such a unit to drop in on an objective and steal/contest it for me while my "main" force defends my own.
This unit would likely be put in position to shield and be supported by one of the Bikers.

Any collective wisdom on what unit would be best for this, if any at all?

Many thanks

The Jetbike Captains have ObSec too, just FYI.

As for Elites, we don't have much in the way of 'hang back and chill' elites. A Vexilla Praetor with the Vexilla Magnifica is the usual recommendation, but your other Custodes all have the Character keyword anyway so he likely wouldn't do much. My recommendation is to take an Aquillon squad (3 models). Then the Jetbike Captains won't have to hang around and support them.

**greyknight12**

Depending on what your marine force has, another option is the much-maligned Vexilla Defensor! He gives all imperium infantry units wholly within 9” of him 5++ against shooting. Since Space Marines already have a 3+ it only comes into play if you get hit with AP-3 or better, but for about 100 points it could make a difference for things like centurions that will draw heavy fire. Then you can give him a Castellan axe and he will be at least a decent speed bump. Cons are that the aura only applies to infantry, you have to be wholly within 9” and it’s only against shooting.

**Audustum**

greyknight12 wrote:
Depending on what your marine force has, another option is the much-maligned Vexilla Defensor! He gives all imperium infantry units wholly within 9” of him 5++ against shooting. Since Space Marines already have a 3+ it only comes into play if you get hit with AP-3 or better, but for about 100 points it could make a difference for things like centurions that will draw heavy fire. Then you can give him a Castellan axe and he will be at least a decent speed bump. Cons are that the aura only applies to infantry, you have to be wholly within 9” and it’s only against shooting.

Centurions are a 2+ actually, so you'd need AP-4 before it'd help them. AP-5 if they were in cover. The Vexilla helps Astra Militarum and AdMech a lot more than he helps the poor Space Marines (who need some help).

**IHateNids**

Apologies, I misinformed

When I say drop in, I meant to be used offensively rather than defensively

I play very defensive under 95% of circumstances with all 3 of my armies, so I am looking for the "over there" guys

to my understanding, isnt there a stratagem that lets people Deep Strike in? If there is, great, if not I'm limiting myself to Terminators of sorts....

Thats more what I meant, teleport into position rear/on a hard-to-fight-my-way-to objective, without sarcificing my central gunline

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

So, can someone tell me if they use Pallas Grav Attacks?

**Khadorstompy**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, can someone tell me if they use Pallas Grav Attacks?

I do. They are perfectly function-able just over shadowed by their bigger kin. They are great light/medium tank hunters and Light infantry hunters and can finish off even bigger tanks. Good for their points but They are just Good not great. The new Skorpius Disentergrator is on par with it being Toughter, more wounds, with more firepower. While the Pallus is Faster, Doesn't degrade, and can't be tied up. Both are pretty close in points.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

I just love the idea that for 300 points, I get this attack squad of 3 little stupidly fast weapon platforms that I can use to flank opponents who are attempting to go after my larger targets.

**Audustum**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I just love the idea that for 300 points, I get this attack squad of 3 little stupidly fast weapon platforms that I can use to flank opponents who are attempting to go after my larger targets.

It's actually not a bad pick at all, from a competitive standpoint. You're not handicapping yourself at all for taking them!

**Sterling191**

Yeah, they're basically super Sentinels that are actually dangerous, mobile and somewhat durable. Caladii get all the love right now, but Palles are a solid pick for non bleeding edge games.

**Audustum**

In a similar vein, here's a Custodes update: Caladius Grav-Tanks continue to annihilate.

Andrew Gonyo took 1st at the Summer Slaughter. He had:

Super Heavy Detachment 3CP (Imperial Knights) [43PL, 822pts]
Household: Krast

-Lord of War-
• Knight Crusader [25pl, 498pts] Avenger Gatling Cannon, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon, 2x Heavy Stubber, Heavy Flamer, Twin Icarus Autocannon
• Armiger Warglaive [9pl, 162pts] Thermal Spear, Reaper Chain Cleaver, Heavy Stubber
• Armiger Warglaive [9pl, 162pts] Thermal Spear, Reaper Chain Cleaver, Heavy Stubber

Spearhead Detachment 1CP (Adeptus Custodes) [39PL, 794pts]

-HQ-
• Shield Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9pl, 164pts] Interceptor Lance, Hurricane Bolter, Misercordia

-Heavy Support-
• Caladius Grav-Tank [10pl, 210pts] Twin Iliastus Accelerator Autocannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
• Caladius Grav-Tank [10pl, 210pts] Twin Iliastus Accelerator Autocannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
• Caladius Grav-Tank [10pl, 210pts] Twin Iliastus Accelerator Autocannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

Battalion Detachment 5CP (Astra Militarum) [26PL, 384pts]
Regiment: Vostroyan
Specialist Detachment: Emperor's Fist Tank Company (-1CP)

-HQ-
• Tank Commander [12pl, 194pts] Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolter, 2x Plasma Cannon Sponson, Heavy Stubber (Free Relic: Hammer of Sunderance)
• Company Commander [2pl, 30pts]: Chainsword, Las Pistol [Warlord - Grand Strategist]

-Troops-
• Infantry Squad [3pl, 40pts] x10: Sgt with Las Pistol/Chain Sword
• Infantry Squad [3pl, 40pts] x10: Sgt with Las Pistol/Chain Sword
• Infantry Squad [3pl, 40pts] x10: Sgt with Las Pistol/Chain Sword
• Infantry Squad [3pl, 40pts] x10: Sgt with Las Pistol/Chain Sword

Total Points: 2000

Custodes also got 2nd and 3rd at GK Open:

2nd:

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [54 PL, 980pts] ++

+ HQ +
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 160pts]: Hurricane Bolter . Auric Aquilis

+ Fast Attack +
Pallas Grav-Attack (Beta) [5 PL, 100pts]: Twin Arachnus Blaze Cannon

Vertus Praetors [20 PL, 360pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter

Vertus Praetors [20 PL, 360pts]
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter
. Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [46 PL, -2CP, 1,020pts] ++
Operative Requisition Sanctioned [-2CP, 85pts]

+ HQ +
Constantine Valdor [10 PL, 185pts]

+ Elites +
Vexillus Praetor [6 PL, 120pts]: Storm Shield, Vexilla Magnifica, Warlord

+ Heavy Support +
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Total: [100 PL, -2CP, 2,000pts] ++

3rd:

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [46 PL, 935pts, 1CP] ++

+ HQ [10 PL, 185pts] +
Captain-General Trajann Valoris [10 PL, 185pts]

+ Elites [6 PL, 120pts] +
Vexillus Praetor [6 PL, 120pts]: Storm Shield [10pts], Vexilla Magnifica [30pts]

+ Heavy Support [30 PL, 630pts] +
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon [90pts], Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon [20pts]
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon [90pts], Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon [20pts]
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon [90pts], Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon [20pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [19 PL, 368pts, 5CP] ++
Operative Requisition Sanctioned [85pts, -2CP]
Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Tallarn
Vigilus Defiant [-1CP]: Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company [-1CP]

+ HQ [4 PL, 60pts] +
Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Emperor's Wrath, Laspistol, Warlord
Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Emperor's Wrath, Laspistol, Relic (Emperor's Wrath): Agripinaa-Class Orbital Tracker

+ Troops [9 PL, 120pts] +
Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman [36pts]
. Sergeant [4pts]: Laspistol
Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman [36pts]
. Sergeant [4pts]: Laspistol
Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman [36pts]
. Sergeant [4pts]: Laspistol

+ Heavy Support [6 PL, 103pts] +
Wyverns [6 PL, 103pts]: Emperor's Wrath
. Wyvern [6 PL, 103pts]: Heavy Bolter [8pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [45 PL, 696pts, 4CP] ++
Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Tallarn
Vigilus Defiant [-1CP]: Emperor's Fist Tank Company [-1CP]

+ HQ [36 PL, 576pts] +
Tank Commander [12 PL, 192pts]: Emperor's Fist, Heavy Bolter [8pts], Plasma Cannons [20pts] . Command Battle Tank [22pts]: Battle Cannon [22pts]
Tank Commander [12 PL, 192pts]: Emperor's Fist, Heavy Bolter [8pts], Plasma Cannons [20pts] . Command Battle Tank [22pts]: Battle Cannon [22pts]
Tank Commander [12 PL, 192pts]: Emperor's Fist, Heavy Bolter [8pts], Plasma Cannons [20pts] . Command Battle Tank [22pts]: Battle Cannon [22pts]

+ Troops [9 PL, 120pts] +
Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman [36pts]
. Sergeant [4pts]: Laspistol
Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman [36pts]
. Sergeant [4pts]: Laspistol
Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman [36pts]
. Sergeant [4pts]: Laspistol

++ Total: [110 PL, 10CP, 1,999pts] ++

At least one of them brought some Jetbikes!

**Sterling191**

The level of mobility in that last list makes me extremely happy.

**Khadorstompy**

Damn that summer Slaughter list is almost exactly the same as the list I had made.

**grouchoben**

Well, it looks like the Caladius is an absolute shoe in for a good nerfing soon.

**Morkphoiz**

What do you Guys think of that one? Fully loaded Orion with backfield gunline:

**greyknight12**

@morkphoiz I think it definitely has some potential. I do personally like Trajan though for gunline support if you can find the points simply because I tend to roll a lot of 1s with my tanks. He also helps to mitigate the low CP that I generally have

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Also, my absolute favorite list from Slaughterfest, it went 4-2:

Chris Cole
Captain-General Trajann Valoris 185
Shield-Captain in Allarus Armor: castellan axe; misericordia 128
Vexilus Praetor: Vexilla Magnifica; castellan axe; misericordia 128
Palas Grav-Attack 100
Palas Grav-Attack 100
Palas Grav-Attack 100
Caladius Grav-Tank 210
Caladius Grav-Tank 210
Caladius Grav-Tank 210
Telemon Heavy Dreadnought: 2 Arachnus Storm Cannon 272
Telemon Heavy Dreadnought: 2 Arachnus Storm Cannon 272
Allied Officio Assassinorum
Operative Requisition Sanctioned 85 -2CP

Take all the good shooty things!
There were also 2 lists (one had 3 gallants and went 5-1) that were 3 Knights and a Caladius spearhead.

**grouchoben**

Does anyone have any actual experience with the Galatus? Someone's selling a pair and I'm tempted to pick them up. -1 to hit, 4++/6+++ is a pretty tough profile. Is there anyway to leverage this aspect of them?

I understand that they're weak sauce when it comes to threatening heavy targets, but they do look like capable roadblocks.

**Khadorstompy**

grouchoben wrote:
Well, it looks like the Caladius is an absolute shoe in for a good nerfing soon.

Yeah hopefully it wont be too bad. If they go up 20-30 points I think they well still be in a good spot. And they are no where near as game defining as the Castellan. But they are forgeworld thus in all likelyhood going to be hammered to where they are completely useless... sigh why did I post all those Battle Reports...

**grouchoben**

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, to be frank. They're only beta rules, FW/GW don't have to wait for the six-monthly window to swing the bat, they just need to finalise them.

**greyknight12**

Khadorstompy wrote:
grouchoben wrote:
Well, it looks like the Caladius is an absolute shoe in for a good nerfing soon.

Yeah hopefully it wont be too bad. If they go up 20-30 points I think they well still be in a good spot. And they are no where near as game defining as the Castellan. But they are forgeworld thus in all likelyhood going to be hammered to where they are completely useless... sigh why did I post all those Battle Reports...

Don’t beat yourself up too much...you can only do so much when someone wins games on stream with them.

**Khadorstompy**

greyknight12 wrote:
Khadorstompy wrote:
grouchoben wrote:
Well, it looks like the Caladius is an absolute shoe in for a good nerfing soon.

Yeah hopefully it wont be too bad. If they go up 20-30 points I think they well still be in a good spot. And they are no where near as game defining as the Castellan. But they are forgeworld thus in all likelyhood going to be hammered to where they are completely useless... sigh why did I post all those Battle Reports...

Don’t beat yourself up too much...you can only do so much when someone wins games on stream with them.

Sigh its going to really depress me if they get nerfed too much. My AoS army got squatted after I JUST had it painted I just dropped a bunch on custodes and am shopping around to get them painted. I'm sure as soon as I get them painted the same thing will happen.... sigh.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

My favorite issue facing my latest army is the fact that Custodes are on the verge of being replaced by Primaris armies. As it stands right now, based off the color of his armor, an Intercessor can shoot his bolter twice at a four man squad and kill all 4.

I demand Custodes get exploding 6s on shooting basic weaponry. And a pony.

**Audustum**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
My favorite issue facing my latest army is the fact that Custodes are on the verge of being replaced by Primaris armies. As it stands right now, based off the color of his armor, an Intercessor can shoot his bolter twice at a four man squad and kill all 4.

I demand Custodes get exploding 6s on shooting basic weaponry. And a pony.

I think we're honestly still better in a general sense. T5, 3W and 2+/4++ is just way beyond an Intercessor, even a souped up one.

We are turning into a MUCH more melee focused faction than them though.

**raddman33**

I am looking for some advice in playing vs GSC.

My general list is:
Bike Capt
Trajann
3x3 Custodians with a shield
5 bikes
5 Allarus Termie
-1 to hit banner in termie armor
and the Rusty 17 for CP

My opponent will be running GSC with Nids for the Hive Guard.
At least 20 Aberrants, genestealers, a couple of crazy psykers, and a patriarch.

Thoughts on what has worked against GSC?

Thanks!

**JNAProductions**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
My favorite issue facing my latest army is the fact that Custodes are on the verge of being replaced by Primaris armies. As it stands right now, based off the color of his armor, an Intercessor can shoot his bolter twice at a four man squad and kill all 4.

I demand Custodes get exploding 6s on shooting basic weaponry. And a pony.

Right... Assuming he gets two 6s to-hit (1/36 chance), wounds with all four (assuming a Grot, for maximum odds of success, for 625/1,296) and they fail all saves (Grot again, so no save against an AP-1 Bolt Rifle) then yes, they can kill four models.

If you're relying on a 625/46,656 chance (better expressed as just over a 1.3% chance) to get something done, you've lost.

And yes, they can get rerolls to-hit and to-wound. But we can triple the odds and it's STILL insanely unlikely.

**slave.entity**

This list came in 3rd over the weekend. Double Orions that can cap points due to being LoW's and not flyers is pretty hilarious.

Richard Martin - Super Secret GT

+ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [22 PL, 448pts] ++
+ Lord of War +
Orion Assault Dropship (Beta) [22 PL, 448pts]: 2x Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon, 2x Spiculus Heavy Bolt Launcher, 2x Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [22 PL, 448pts] ++
+ Lord of War +
Orion Assault Dropship (Beta) [22 PL, 448pts]: 2x Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon, 2x Spiculus Heavy Bolt Launcher, 2x Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [55 PL, 1,103pts] ++
+ HQ +
Captain-General Trajann Valoris [10 PL, 185pts]
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 160pts]: Hurricane Bolter

+ Elites +
Vexillus Praetor [6 PL, 128pts]: Castellan Axe, Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica, Warlord

+ Heavy Support +
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Total: [99 PL, 1,999pts] ++

**Malefic666**

raddman33 wrote:
I am looking for some advice in playing vs GSC.

My general list is:
Bike Capt
Trajann
3x3 Custodians with a shield
5 bikes
5 Allarus Termie
-1 to hit banner in termie armor
and the Rusty 17 for CP

My opponent will be running GSC with Nids for the Hive Guard.
At least 20 Aberrants, genestealers, a couple of crazy psykers, and a patriarch.

Thoughts on what has worked against GSC?

Thanks!

I have a game against GSC this weekend, not played them with Custodes before but I have several dozen times with my Death Guard and I honestly find them a bit underwhelming, they seem to rely on successfully making multiple charges and now you can’t DS on turn 1 they kinda got a nerf imo. I’m bringing a Culexus as GSC psychic powers can be really nasty, not just mortal wound spam but powers like Psionic Blast and Mental Onslaught can be pretty devastating for us so have a plan to shut them down or take them out. GSC unit’s themselves are not all that, our 3+W T5 2+\4+ should go some way to mitigate their damage, they really need to charge and get into melee so if we can use stratagems like Tanglefoot grenades or overwatch on 5+ then that’ll help as will our offensive output.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

JNAProductions wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
My favorite issue facing my latest army is the fact that Custodes are on the verge of being replaced by Primaris armies. As it stands right now, based off the color of his armor, an Intercessor can shoot his bolter twice at a four man squad and kill all 4.

I demand Custodes get exploding 6s on shooting basic weaponry. And a pony.
Right... Assuming he gets two 6s to-hit (1/36 chance), wounds with all four (assuming a Grot, for maximum odds of success, for 625/1,296) and they fail all saves (Grot again, so no save against an AP-1 Bolt Rifle) then yes, they can kill four models.

If you're relying on a 625/46,656 chance (better expressed as just over a 1.3% chance) to get something done, you've lost.

And yes, they can get rerolls to-hit and to-wound. But we can triple the odds and it's STILL insanely unlikely.

Right, my point in being a pedantic and whiney player was to point out they get logically impossible abilities, and I want those too. Hence "...and a pony." to emphasis on the ridiculousness of my request. I wasn't trying to actually advocate new shooting rules that would end up being worthless for a heavy melee army.

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slave.entity wrote:
This list came in 3rd over the weekend. Double Orions that can cap points due to being LoW's and not flyers is pretty hilarious.

Richard Martin - Super Secret GT

+ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [22 PL, 448pts] ++
+ Lord of War +
Orion Assault Dropship (Beta) [22 PL, 448pts]: 2x Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon, 2x Spiculus Heavy Bolt Launcher, 2x Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [22 PL, 448pts] ++
+ Lord of War +
Orion Assault Dropship (Beta) [22 PL, 448pts]: 2x Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon, 2x Spiculus Heavy Bolt Launcher, 2x Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [55 PL, 1,103pts] ++
+ HQ +
Captain-General Trajann Valoris [10 PL, 185pts]
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 160pts]: Hurricane Bolter

+ Elites +
Vexillus Praetor [6 PL, 128pts]: Castellan Axe, Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica, Warlord

+ Heavy Support +
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon
Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon

++ Total: [99 PL, 1,999pts] ++

Wow. that is one EXPENSIVE army. The orions alone are over $1k when fully done. The tanks are another 4-5 hundred. Wow. That is almost a dollar a point list.

**JNAProductions**

That’s fair, Fezzik.

Tones hard to read on the internet, but my bad.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

JNAProductions wrote:
That’s fair, Fezzik.

Tones hard to read on the internet, but my bad.

Judging by the crap that I have spewed in the past, I can understand the response.