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If all you want is 1500 points, I mean, go ham on infantry and HQ bikes. Make it fun. Everything in the game has to work overtime to kill one of our guys.

After a couple games, I’m really liking the gun+fist Telemon. He’s been a huge help as a countercharge unit, and unlike Aquilons can contribute from turn 1 with shooting while putting similar damage on knights in CC. I don’t think he’s a replacement for a caladius, but rather a substitute for a bike squad or Aquilons. I’m also rediscovering 2 3++ bike captains as bully units rather than simply taking the one; basically bike captain+Pallas instead of a bike squad. I’ve got a series of games against some fairly good players in a single elimination tourney league coming up, so I’ll be putting both concepts through the ringer over the next few weeks.

Which of these lists do you think is stronger? I have a game vs marines coming up.

Both are a 2k battalion.

Custodes 2k



Custodes Twins 2k

List 2 just cos of the 2 Telemons. Also I prefer bikes in squads of 5-6, 3 is too small as if you lose one 2 aren’t doing much.

I would ditch as much infantry as possible for more Jetbikes, ESPECIALLY Allarus.

2 Jetbikes still do plenty. I've run 3x3 forever and it doesn't let me down BUT 2x4 or 2x5 increases efficiency of your stratagems (namely Stooping Dive).

I'd go with 2. Keep the Jetbikes as a counter force and nail him with an out of sequence charge if he gets close. Ideally, make both Telemons full guns and have the Bikes protect them.

Either way, you are going to lose board control, so you better play to table.

So what's everyone's opinion on the Coronus? Seems like a good option for people who don't have money/points to drop on an Orion and it's fast and mobile enough to get your guys a turn 2 charge without relying on an unreliable 9" charge from deep strike. It also offers decent firepower and at T8, 18W, and a 3+/5++ it's gonna take a lot of AT firepower to take it out turn 1 (shooting that isn't going into your Caladius or Telemon).

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
So what's everyone's opinion on the Coronus? Seems like a good option for people who don't have money/points to drop on an Orion and it's fast and mobile enough to get your guys a turn 2 charge without relying on an unreliable 9" charge from deep strike. It also offers decent firepower and at T8, 18W, and a 3+/5++ it's gonna take a lot of AT firepower to take it out turn 1 (shooting that isn't going into your Caladius or Telemon).

370 points iirc is a lot to transport just 6 models. I like that it’s T8 with 18 wounds but I don’t think I’ll be using one. I just don’t see where we’re supposed to get the points to fit one in. Would probably be handy though against SM now they have drop pods, grav weapons, and dirt cheap storm shields back on the menu.

yeah coronus is just too expensive.

Considering that when it crash's every one is another 50pt+ model dead and you can see why its not as liked.

It is amazing in 30k games though, where it is cheaper and just as deadly as the calidius almost.

They did make it fairly durable, but if I take a transport for custodies, it'll be the orion as that will almost assuredly survive turn 1 to drop off 10 models in the opponents face.

Malefic666 wrote:

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
So what's everyone's opinion on the Coronus? Seems like a good option for people who don't have money/points to drop on an Orion and it's fast and mobile enough to get your guys a turn 2 charge without relying on an unreliable 9" charge from deep strike. It also offers decent firepower and at T8, 18W, and a 3+/5++ it's gonna take a lot of AT firepower to take it out turn 1 (shooting that isn't going into your Caladius or Telemon).

370 points iirc is a lot to transport just 6 models. I like that it’s T8 with 18 wounds but I don’t think I’ll be using one. I just don’t see where we’re supposed to get the points to fit one in. Would probably be handy though against SM now they have drop pods, grav weapons, and dirt cheap storm shields back on the menu.

It's 245 pts, which I think is fairly reasonable for what you're getting, but you're right, Custodes have a lot of good units and it's tough to make room to bring everything you want. I do agree though, with SM getting new tricks and increased firepower I can see the Coronus being more useful to protect our footslogging troops. For me I see the appeal in it as a way for our infantry to get off easier charges as opposed to relying on getting the 9" charge from deep strike.

So i ran the twin telemon list against a Guilliman Castle yesterday. Happy to report the list performed very well. A solid victory for the golden boys!

 Grundz wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

However I hold out slim hopes that GW will somehow fix the problem they have recently created where the NuMarines are basically better at assaulting then the GodMarines.

I mean, there isn't much we can buff without breaking Custodes, but I am seriously stunned by the new buffs to Marines.

Wait is it really that bad, or is it just that marines are almost as good but much cheaper?

It isn’t. There isn’t a marine unit that will outdamage a custodes unit point for point in melee against each other. Some marine units can clear GEQs more cost effective in melee now. Specifically vanvets with double chainsword.


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 Grundz wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
Thing is, d3 damage is still really, really good vs primaris. We have d3 damage in spades, and most primaris shooting wounds on 5s. We might need to re-tool some things though. Their vehicles are still stupidly over-priced, so we're not likely going to need to worry about our anti-tank a ton.

I'm still pushing around points to figure out a list, but it really seems like custodes in cover with -1 to hit are going to come on top vs anything but absolutely withering firepower

While it will, it also will not contribute to the game meaningfully, and so can be ignored safely

Quick question: when you use from golden light they come on a dreadnought and you want to cheat him close to the enemy with vexilla teleport homer, do you use a normal vexillus praetor with the magnifica or do you use one in terminator armor to deepstrike him behind enemy lines (preferably with a group of deepstriking terminators) and hope he survives a turn?

Mr. Funktastic wrote:

Malefic666 wrote:

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
So what's everyone's opinion on the Coronus? Seems like a good option for people who don't have money/points to drop on an Orion and it's fast and mobile enough to get your guys a turn 2 charge without relying on an unreliable 9" charge from deep strike. It also offers decent firepower and at T8, 18W, and a 3+/5++ it's gonna take a lot of AT firepower to take it out turn 1 (shooting that isn't going into your Caladius or Telemon).

370 points iirc is a lot to transport just 6 models. I like that it’s T8 with 18 wounds but I don’t think I’ll be using one. I just don’t see where we’re supposed to get the points to fit one in. Would probably be handy though against SM now they have drop pods, grav weapons, and dirt cheap storm shields back on the menu.

It's 245 pts, which I think is fairly reasonable for what you're getting, but you're right, Custodes have a lot of good units and it's tough to make room to bring everything you want. I do agree though, with SM getting new tricks and increased firepower I can see the Coronus being more useful to protect our footslogging troops. For me I see the appeal in it as a way for our infantry to get off easier charges as opposed to relying on getting the 9" charge from deep strike.

Yeah, 245... I think I added the wrong weapon options. Actually, I've been thinking about this and I think if we put a threatening unit in it then it probably works well. In addition, one of the issues we can run into is that if we want to run a few large deep strike units (i.e. Vexilus Praetor, Wardens, Trajan, Aquillons) then we end up not being able to have the PL or pts to deep strike anything else, like a Telemon.

If we take the Coronus and then say 5 Guardians with Pyrithite Spears with a Shield Captain then we get a unit that can seriously threaten armour, with a 14" move the Coronus should get them within melta range quickly. I personally find Knight and mech lists tough to beat so this could help.

Plus the Coronus is T8 with W18 & 3+/5++ so if your opponent wants it dead it will take a serious amount of firepower, leaving your Calidius free to shoot away.

I think if I run rusty 17 for CPs then I can rationalise taking Pyrithite spears, then yeah a Coronus totally makes sense...

Had a bit of laugh this Saturday. Was accused by two separate people of "Net listing" the tournament list I used. (Was my standard Loyal 32/Krast Crusader/Custodes.) They claimed that I was bandwagoning the Custodes.

Won the tournament but man their were a BUNCH of salty people this time.

That’s sad, lol it’s a tournament - some people are just poor losers. What did they have?

Thing is. Take a 100% Custodes list and the beta stuff isn’t really that OP. Take a loyal 32 & a Knight & then 3 x Caladius & SC and that’s a full on tournament list. But what GW will do is nerf Custodes when they should be toning down soup lists. But they won’t tone down soup because everyone imperial brings loyal 32/rusty 17 & cheapest you’re buying them for is £60/$80+.

I don't know about anyone else, but I would need a shower after using that list. It's too OP lol.

Right now I am experimenting with Two Telemons, 3x guardians, Trajan, a Bike Captain, Flag, and a BN of Phobos CPTs and 3x squads of Intercessors with Stalkers.

2k points with 2 out of 3 squads using misers. What I want is a campy base with my SM BN keeping the heat off my Telemons, while my Guardians go out and find targets/objectives.

So far I'm 1 out of 3 matchs, all Eldar.

Malefic666 wrote:
That’s sad, lol it’s a tournament - some people are just poor losers. What did they have?

Thing is. Take a 100% Custodes list and the beta stuff isn’t really that OP. Take a loyal 32 & a Knight & then 3 x Caladius & SC and that’s a full on tournament list. But what GW will do is nerf Custodes when they should be toning down soup lists. But they won’t tone down soup because everyone imperial brings loyal 32/rusty 17 & cheapest you’re buying them for is £60/$80+.

I went vs 2 tau lists and a 1k sons.

Big thing was I went first every game.... And none of the tau lists thought to hide their drones out of sight so I chewed them up first round both times then started ripping into their Tides.

The 1k sons was 2 units of 20 rubrics a unit of 10 scarbs. 2 rhinos 1 Landraider, Arhiman and a bunch of sorcerers/psykers. And he deployed all of those terminators in the open.

Needless to say I probably did bring an op list to the tournement but last time in the same venue there was a triple knight list with lots of plaguebearers, a much better tau player, and a castelean list.

The last tau player I played had just gone to the GT in Texas and did very poorly to my understanding.

Well congrats on the win. Tau are never an easy opponent for Custodes. Sounds like they made serious errors in their deployment and that cost them.

I’m assuming you ran loyal 32, knight, triple caladius?

Malefic666 wrote:
Well congrats on the win. Tau are never an easy opponent for Custodes. Sounds like they made serious errors in their deployment and that cost them.

I’m assuming you ran loyal 32, knight, triple caladius?

Full list was

Loyal 32

2 Armiger Warglaives
1 Krast Crusader

Jetbike shield captain
2 Pallus
3 Caladius

Wow, you didn't even take the vexilla and tau player couldn't take out your caladius?

That's just bad luck/play from them. -1 to hit is one of the best things we have againgst tau and you didn't even take it. lmao

Malefic666 wrote:

Mr. Funktastic wrote:

Malefic666 wrote:

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
So what's everyone's opinion on the Coronus? Seems like a good option for people who don't have money/points to drop on an Orion and it's fast and mobile enough to get your guys a turn 2 charge without relying on an unreliable 9" charge from deep strike. It also offers decent firepower and at T8, 18W, and a 3+/5++ it's gonna take a lot of AT firepower to take it out turn 1 (shooting that isn't going into your Caladius or Telemon).

370 points iirc is a lot to transport just 6 models. I like that it’s T8 with 18 wounds but I don’t think I’ll be using one. I just don’t see where we’re supposed to get the points to fit one in. Would probably be handy though against SM now they have drop pods, grav weapons, and dirt cheap storm shields back on the menu.

It's 245 pts, which I think is fairly reasonable for what you're getting, but you're right, Custodes have a lot of good units and it's tough to make room to bring everything you want. I do agree though, with SM getting new tricks and increased firepower I can see the Coronus being more useful to protect our footslogging troops. For me I see the appeal in it as a way for our infantry to get off easier charges as opposed to relying on getting the 9" charge from deep strike.

Yeah, 245... I think I added the wrong weapon options. Actually, I've been thinking about this and I think if we put a threatening unit in it then it probably works well. In addition, one of the issues we can run into is that if we want to run a few large deep strike units (i.e. Vexilus Praetor, Wardens, Trajan, Aquillons) then we end up not being able to have the PL or pts to deep strike anything else, like a Telemon.

If we take the Coronus and then say 5 Guardians with Pyrithite Spears with a Shield Captain then we get a unit that can seriously threaten armour, with a 14" move the Coronus should get them within melta range quickly. I personally find Knight and mech lists tough to beat so this could help.

Plus the Coronus is T8 with W18 & 3+/5++ so if your opponent wants it dead it will take a serious amount of firepower, leaving your Calidius free to shoot away.

I think if I run rusty 17 for CPs then I can rationalise taking Pyrithite spears, then yeah a Coronus totally makes sense...

Personally I think putting a squad of either 6 Aquilons with Power Gauntlets or 3 Aquilons and 3 Allarus so you can get charges off with all of them and have Allarus deny overwatch. Also the issue with having too many things in deep strike is not having enough board presence early which your opponent can take advantage of.

Malefic666 wrote:
That’s sad, lol it’s a tournament - some people are just poor losers. What did they have?

Thing is. Take a 100% Custodes list and the beta stuff isn’t really that OP. Take a loyal 32 & a Knight & then 3 x Caladius & SC and that’s a full on tournament list. But what GW will do is nerf Custodes when they should be toning down soup lists. But they won’t tone down soup because everyone imperial brings loyal 32/rusty 17 & cheapest you’re buying them for is £60/$80+.

I'm hoping that when the bat hits custodes, it falls solidly on the calladius and spares my precious bikers

stratigo wrote:

Malefic666 wrote:
That’s sad, lol it’s a tournament - some people are just poor losers. What did they have?

Thing is. Take a 100% Custodes list and the beta stuff isn’t really that OP. Take a loyal 32 & a Knight & then 3 x Caladius & SC and that’s a full on tournament list. But what GW will do is nerf Custodes when they should be toning down soup lists. But they won’t tone down soup because everyone imperial brings loyal 32/rusty 17 & cheapest you’re buying them for is £60/$80+.

I'm hoping that when the bat hits custodes, it falls solidly on the calladius and spares my precious bikers

Bikers still show up in top 4's but it's WAY less common. Like 1 every couple of months. Probably safe!

stratigo wrote:

Malefic666 wrote:
That’s sad, lol it’s a tournament - some people are just poor losers. What did they have?

Thing is. Take a 100% Custodes list and the beta stuff isn’t really that OP. Take a loyal 32 & a Knight & then 3 x Caladius & SC and that’s a full on tournament list. But what GW will do is nerf Custodes when they should be toning down soup lists. But they won’t tone down soup because everyone imperial brings loyal 32/rusty 17 & cheapest you’re buying them for is £60/$80+.

I'm hoping that when the bat hits custodes, it falls solidly on the calladius and spares my precious bikers

I’m hoping, in vain, that GW have to the good sense to realise that letting players cherry pick soup detachments with no down sides is actually the issue. I’d be happier to see a series of bonuses to mono factions, say +3/5CP or a new army special rule for each.

You mean like the exact thing they’ve started phasing in with the new Marine Codex?

I would love seeing the other sub factions of the Custodes get special benefits.

Also, please nerf the Callidus/Telemon, drop Trajan's cost by 20pts, maybe drop the cost of troops by 5/10pts each, and give Bikers a better anti-tank stat-line.

Respectfully. i think the telemon is at a pretty good place.
I think the grav tanks need to go up about 30-40 points to be close to reasonable.
Dropping Trajan and troops costs slightly would be welcome, sure.

I also think telemons are in a good spot. They're very shooty and durable but they suffer from the same weakness as nearly all tanks/dreads in that they can be tied up by 40 points of guardsmen and effectively removed from the game.

The same cannot be said for the caladius.

I dunno. I think the Telemon "is in a good place..." for people who like to run it in tournaments and dominate local FLGSs.

Otherwise, it's another meta toy that raises the ceiling further and further towards Knights or GTFO. For the cost, you are getting something that completely eclipses other like costed units.