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Oh yeah, denying kill more is also huge. Forgot about that. This is the hyper elite, custodes infantry list of our dreams guys, complete with fat units of teleporting golden terminators and none of that feeble guardsman nonsense dragging us down.

If only the FW models were semi-reasonably priced...

Most people would probably be fine if you ran allarus terminators as aquilons. They're just big terminators.

Although.... aquilons are on 50mm bases and allarus are on 40mm. But your opponent doesn't have to know that

So, I've had exactly 3 people comment on base size in my, admittedly small, experience with 8th and Custodes.

1. Used the matt black bases for my bikes (It comes with the clear and matt black) and he said they were different and I was modelling for advantage

2. I put Trajan on a pre-made base (the one with rubble) that was apparently smaller than his normal base. I have to snap it off and put on his normal one.

3. My terminators - same thing as trajan. Used the cool looking store bought bases, got called out for cheating.

I said he look, if you want to be in melee with Trajan and my terminators, I am more than willing to give you an extra inch and a half for all distance checks. PLEAAAASSE get into melee with me. As a matter of fact, I will give you 50 inches. From now on, Trajan is in melee with your whole army.

People think smaller base sizes are an advantage....

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I've had exactly 3 people comment on base size in my, admittedly small, experience with 8th and Custodes.

1. Used the matt black bases for my bikes (It comes with the clear and matt black) and he said they were different and I was modelling for advantage

2. I put Trajan on a pre-made base (the one with rubble) that was apparently smaller than his normal base. I have to snap it off and put on his normal one.

3. My terminators - same thing as trajan. Used the cool looking store bought bases, got called out for cheating.

I said he look, if you want to be in melee with Trajan and my terminators, I am more than willing to give you an extra inch and a half for all distance checks. PLEAAAASSE get into melee with me. As a matter of fact, I will give you 50 inches. From now on, Trajan is in melee with your whole army.

People think smaller base sizes are an advantage....

They can be, but not really for Custodes.

For Orks and other hordes, smaller bases mean more rows in Close Combat. For Custodes... Doesn't really matter.

For plaguebearer hordes, the larger 32mm bases are an advantage because it allows them to control so much more ground. But practically speaking yeah base size makes a negligible difference on non-horde infantry. Giving someone a hard time over non-standard Custodes base sizes would be the TFG thing to do in my book. There aren't enough models for it to make a difference.

I just want to play my army and learn how to be a better player. If you are going to complain about base sizes, you aren't trying to play for fun.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I just want to play my army and learn how to be a better player. If you are going to complain about base sizes, you aren't trying to play for fun.

I hear that. I still have an army's worth of necrons still on their original gw-provided bases....too much effort to re-base 6000 points of infantry

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I've had exactly 3 people comment on base size in my, admittedly small, experience with 8th and Custodes.

1. Used the matt black bases for my bikes (It comes with the clear and matt black) and he said they were different and I was modelling for advantage

2. I put Trajan on a pre-made base (the one with rubble) that was apparently smaller than his normal base. I have to snap it off and put on his normal one.

3. My terminators - same thing as trajan. Used the cool looking store bought bases, got called out for cheating.

I said he look, if you want to be in melee with Trajan and my terminators, I am more than willing to give you an extra inch and a half for all distance checks. PLEAAAASSE get into melee with me. As a matter of fact, I will give you 50 inches. From now on, Trajan is in melee with your whole army.

People think smaller base sizes are an advantage....

Tournament rules are you can use the base it came with usually, so black for Jetbikes should be fine. Hilariously, I used black for my Jetbikes because I didn't want to get accused of using a 'display only' base in the clear ones!

Audustum wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I've had exactly 3 people comment on base size in my, admittedly small, experience with 8th and Custodes.

1. Used the matt black bases for my bikes (It comes with the clear and matt black) and he said they were different and I was modelling for advantage

2. I put Trajan on a pre-made base (the one with rubble) that was apparently smaller than his normal base. I have to snap it off and put on his normal one.

3. My terminators - same thing as trajan. Used the cool looking store bought bases, got called out for cheating.

I said he look, if you want to be in melee with Trajan and my terminators, I am more than willing to give you an extra inch and a half for all distance checks. PLEAAAASSE get into melee with me. As a matter of fact, I will give you 50 inches. From now on, Trajan is in melee with your whole army.

People think smaller base sizes are an advantage....

Tournament rules are you can use the base it came with usually, so black for Jetbikes should be fine. Hilariously, I used black for my Jetbikes because I didn't want to get accused of using a 'display only' base in the clear ones!

OH CRAP. Why didn't I think of that? I had NO idea why there are two sets of bases, I was really confused. In the end I chose to go with what they had on the box.

Why do they come with both? I've always used the clear ones because they make the bikes look more floaty. Personally not a fan of the extra visual weight that the oval bases add underneath a bike.

I thought honestly one was for painting, and one was for like, you can't see the base, I'm flying...woooooo.

Honestly I wish I could get slightly taller stands. I was trying to make mine pose in a more "swooping dive" style.

Man, my bikes are on the black long-oval bases and if anyone was giving me crap about that I'd go find another player to play. I mean, putting a model on clearly the wrong base is way out of line, but putting a model on the base it comes with (or a base 10mm smaller/bigger) come on!

On the Aquilon route, we can magnetise Terminator arms to fit our Allarus, the arms are about the right size. I say just grab a load of Terminator heavy flamers and power fists/claws and convert away, at least until you can afford to pay £17 per model or until beta has settled. Imagine dropping £204+shipping on 12 models only for the nerf bat to slap them. Even with the pre-Brexit pound crumbling to dust faster than Walter Donovan in Indinia Jones and the Last Crusade it's an awful lot of money.

Re: Aquilons, I prefer the Solerite power gauntlet with the Fire pike, sad that GW/FW doesn't sell that model combo, such as shame imo as it's clearly the best as you threaten troops and high toughness, add Trajann for those sweet reroll 1s to wound and an Allarus Praetor Vexilla Imperius and I think Knights would have issues too if they were charged by that. Not to mention the fun this unit can have with Tanglefoot grenade strat, the 12" range is just perfect really.

Does anybody use the Achillus or the Galatus dread still? I know everyone loves the Telemon, but I rarely see the other two FW dreads being used.
Out of all FW units I think the Galatus dread deserves a small buff, I think he really should hit at least with strength 8.

Also I recently played against my best friends necron army and learned that quantum shielding is hilariously op against an Achillus dread.

I want to like the 2 new dreads, but I'd almost rather just have guardian squads to get CP than take them as they do almost the same thing.

Agreed. Dreads of all types just don’t have enough attacks to justify melee, they need a mechanic to let damage spill over into the unit like the blightlord flail does, or a mode of attack that’s less S but double/triple the attacks.

I would love to see Custodes get some form of shock troops rule..

Hi all. I'm much more a Horus Heresy player and have a big Talons of the Emperor force. I'd like to play a bit more 8th 40k and wondered if you think making a purely codex custodes force is viable for semi competitive or even competitive but not tournament necessarily play?

If so would this be possible without jetbikes? Would like to bring in a few assassins now and then too. Cheers.

 slave.entity wrote:
I wouldn't expect bikes to be good against the current 7+ eldar flyer lists that are currently meta if only because at best your two units of bikes can charge two flyers while the others simply move to the other side of the map and shoot them apart. And they could easily have a hard time getting a T1 charge too which means a bunch of them will simply be dead before they even have the chance to charge a plane.

Bikes are good and bike spam is a very "pub-stomp" style list, but they're certainly not TFG competitive compared to the caladius or loyal 32. And taking any sort of super spammy list to a casual game is a pretty silly thing to do anyway so I wouldn't expect to see it much in pick-up games. It's just very one-dimensional. Unlike the actual competitive Custodes lists we're seeing at the moment. No one spams bikes anymore because it doesn't work and probably because it's pretty boring to play.

I use 20 bikes now.

Goeskan wrote:
Hi all. I'm much more a Horus Heresy player and have a big Talons of the Emperor force. I'd like to play a bit more 8th 40k and wondered if you think making a purely codex custodes force is viable for semi competitive or even competitive but not tournament necessarily play?

If so would this be possible without jetbikes? Would like to bring in a few assassins now and then too. Cheers.

Just last page someone had a list with 1000 points of terminators and did well. Also, right now, the custodes' biggest thing is the caladius grav tanks, however they are probably going to get hit with the nerf bat.
Assassins IMO mesh well with custodes.

Custodes are definitely viable, but to win a tourney you will be relying on matchups.

We just don't stand a chance against certain competitive lists. As long as you don't have to play one of those you can win.


You don't need to take bikes at all. They are very good but are very simplistic. A good opponent will know how to handle them.

Current successful custodes players do well by taking the forgeworld tanks and telemons for crippling long range firepower and by being cautions with the other parts of their army, trying to keep as much alive as possible till turn 3.

As it stands, we lose and lose hard to anything that can spam mortal wounds, anything that has a lot of T8+ units, anything that takes a long time to die, and anything with units that contain more than 10-15 models.

So:
Chaos lists
Daemons lists
Chaos Daemon soup lists
1kSons Exclusively
Deathbringers exclusively
Knights of every flavor
Orks
Guard Conscript spam
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tau
GK have the ability to be tricky....
And the new Space Marines with all their Mortal wound rifles.


Never played against Nids, I have no idea, but being hordes with Psychic I would assume so.

Thanks all. I have lots of FW due to playing HH, but want to build a basic list that doesn't rely on it as not everyone is cool with FW in pick up games I find.

Will look into codex terminators and wardens then maybe, after bikes theres not much left apart from the contemptor and land raider.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
As it stands, we lose and lose hard to anything that can spam mortal wounds, anything that has a lot of T8+ units, anything that takes a long time to die, and anything with units that contain more than 10-15 models.

So:
Chaos lists
Daemons lists
Chaos Daemon soup lists
1kSons Exclusively
Deathbringers exclusively
Knights of every flavor
Orks
Guard Conscript spam
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tau
GK have the ability to be tricky....
And the new Space Marines with all their Mortal wound rifles.


Never played against Nids, I have no idea, but being hordes with Psychic I would assume so.

Custodes are super efficient at eliminating hordes....

Nids are good at getting multiple Smites off. They also have psychic scream which is basically a WC5 Smite. I play them regularly and an assassin is mandatory, they usually get off around 4-5 Smites easy.

Malefic666 wrote:
Nids are good at getting multiple Smites off. They also have psychic scream which is basically a WC5 Smite. I play them regularly and an assassin is mandatory, they usually get off around 4-5 Smites easy.

Gonna echo this. They can smash us with mortal wounds spam about effectively as 1kSons.

Just played a game against necrons and tau. Was just a game between friends, but it was hell honestly.
Was just 1000 points and I played a vanguard detatchment with some wardens, a vexillus praetor, a galatus dread and some jetbikes.
Lost all my jetbikes in the first enemy shooting phase and screwed up every single charge even with rerolls.

Just my opinion, but I think custodes need some rule to help them charge. If you play a mostly footslogging infantry list like myself you are just f****d against shooting armies. I know, I know...I could play a couple of caladius tanks or telemons, but I don't want to.
I don't even really care about winning, I just wanna have a good time with my buddies, but I just hate it when you feel like you can't do anything with your stuff during a game.....my jetbikes failed their charge and died. My galatus dread deepstriked behind enemy lines, failed his charge and died.

I know I had some bad luck that game, but beeing that dependent on lucky charge rolls just feels really terrible.

What did your Necron and Tau opponents run?

 slave.entity wrote:
What did your Necron and Tau opponents run?

Necron player had a bunch of destroyers and a big blob of warriors for screening, the tau player just started out an had two squads of fire warriors and 3 crisis battlesuits and a bunch of drones. (Necron and Tau player teamed up, I played 1000points, they played 500points each....main purpose of this was to let the tau player try out his new army)

Necron destroyers with annihilation protocols were the primary problem, those ridiculous rerolls just make them so lethal against any heavy infantry....and my galatus dread for that matter....and my jetbikes. Couldn't get to them because I failed all charges (with rerolls). The only charge I managed to pull of was with the 2 remaining wardens I had in turn 3 against the 3 crisis battlesuits of the tau player and some shield drones...I managed to kill one drone in that fight phase...

In that entire game I managed to kill 4 necron warriors in shooting and 1 tau shield drone in melee and lost almost my entire army after turn 3. Now you can say I am just a bad player. I would not claim to be a good player, but I don't think I made that many major mistakes with the stuff I had. I took advantage of cover as best as I could (we had some line of sight blocking terrain, but not very much) and brought my vexillus with magnifica.

Like I said, I don't mind losing as long as I could play an interesting game, but this was just pure frustration.

I think that you just had utter crap dice.

Not that melee armies don't suffer against shooting forces-they do-but it really sounds like the dice just hated you that game, and all the buffs in the world won't save you then.