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JNA is right. We should be able to utterly stomp Tau or Necrons at 1000pts. Sometimes the dice just aren't there.

Exact opposite happened to me last Friday at the FLGS. I played a real expert 1KSons player. I knew I would lose but I needed to learn how to play against them, and I don't often see them.

He played the standard 3x DPs, Arihman, and Daemons/Rubrics, and he failed EVERY. SINGLE. PSYKIC PHASE. I killed two of his DPs on Turn 1. It was NOT a accurate view of how that match should have gone. Sometimes the dice just aren't there.

Quick question: if you include wardens in your lists, do you ever equip them with spears instead of axes? Against T5 the spears are slightly better than the axes and with the piercing strike strategem, they are definitely better against T5. Are there matchups where this would be a sensible consideration, or are Wardens always best used with their S8 axes against monsters and some vehicles?

Never take the spears on wardens. Yeah piercing strike is nice, but you also have castellan strike for ap on the axes if you need it. The str 8 means you'll be wounding T4 on 2's and T7 on 3's without a strat making them more useful againgst a variety of targets.

The only time i'd give wardens spears is up againgst other custodes ironically.

Yeah you’re pretty much nearly always going to be better off with axes as stated above. Axes wound easier but spears cause more failed saves. Personally, I find that Custodes need more help with the wounding side of things. Against MEQs axes wound on 2+ but they save on 5+ vs the spears wound on 3+ they save on 6+. So yeah against T4 3+ there’s hardly anything in it but then stuff that can stand up to us often has higher toughness and/or invulnerable saves and/or a form of fnp so I’d prefer the S8.

However:

1) Spears look better so win rule of cool.

2) If you run another unit with axes (Allarus) then you might want spears on them so you can use Castellan Strike on the Allarus and Piercing Strike on the Wardens but that’s pretty niche.

You can magnetise the axes/spears. I’ve just ordered some 1x1mm magnets to do just this.

Silly no-good thought, but Sword and board wardens would be impossible to kill....

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Silly no-good thought, but Sword and board wardens would be impossible to kill....

If you're running a big blob of em, there's nothing stopping you from kitting one or two out with shields for just that purpose.

Disregard. Complete morning brain failure.

It'd be nice to have the option.

Right? 2+, 3++, 5+++ with ANOTHER 5+++ for Psyker wounds. 3 wounds, T5. UGLY bullying tactics spring to mind.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Right? 2+, 3++, 5+++ with ANOTHER 5+++ for Psyker wounds. 3 wounds, T5. UGLY bullying tactics spring to mind.

Unfortunately, FnP's can't stack anymore and our psychic phase FnP is only 6+++, but yeah, sword+board Wardens would still be fun!

I am considering buying another set now, because they are one of the more cost effective boxes. That being said, I foresee some UHHHHGLY changes to FW Custodes in the upcomming FAQ. Sticking with my Wardens, Terminators, and Trajan.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
That being said, I foresee some UHHHHGLY changes to FW Custodes in the upcomming FAQ

I have custodes mainly as a painting project but thought i'd run them out today to see what the fuss was about the forgeworld rules. Trajann, Caladius tanks, banner, a full squad of bikes with the captain, sisters (of battle) as anti-psychic screens and CP generation.

Didn't take long to see why they do so well. I'd be curious to see them against something really brutal like a tau gunline because they ran through a more casual khorne list like it was nothing.

Anything will wreck a Khorne list, casual or not.

Caladius is good but only OP in imperial soup IMO. T7 5++ isn’t that survivable. The rest of the FW feels okay to me played mono. The Aquilon are good but they’re not OP either. T5 4W with 2+ 4++ isn’t game breaking like Eldar flyers or knights.

For a bit of fun I tried a unit of 9 Guard with 5 shields and 4 spears. Ran Trajann and a Vexilla Magnifica with them. Used them as a moving castle and dropped in Aquilon next to them when threatened. It worked quite well, I definitely like the 3++ and feel we need it. 4++ is good but I really felt it when my Terminators started getting targeted. There’s just so much in the game that negates our 2+ it’s laughable.
Made me really wish our Terminators or Wardens could get a 3++.

FAQ is now out. Venatari, Sagittarum got point drops. Sagittarum and Pyrite/Adrasite are now Troops, Caladius weapons are buffed for a small point rise, Adrathic weapons lost their "1's cause Mortals to yourself" rules.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/40K_Adeptus_Custodes_FW_Datasheets_Ares.pdf

 Valkyrie wrote:
Caladius weapons are buffed for a small point rise

Blaze cannon is stronger, but the accelerator cannon has been kicked down a fair way.
Same with the telemon heavy storm cannon getting both weaker and more expensive.

New unit though - i've not seen the Ares before.

Sagitarii changes make me extremely happy. Disintigration beam is still garbage (its improved, but S5 is bleh on your heavy shot), but they're troops and they're cheap (54 points with the obligatory mizzy). Solid. Gold.

Before anyone asks, yes BS changes are already being worked on, and should be released by the end of the day. Between this and marines I’ll need a break soon....

The Tank had it coming, it was too good for the cost. I would love to see what the Ares Gunship will cost fully kitted with the Magna cannons and the rest...

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The Tank had it coming, it was too good for the cost. I would love to see what the Ares Gunship will cost fully kitted with the Magna cannons and the rest...

415 points if my napkin math is accurate.

I just saw the Magna cannon is 0 points, wow. But still, 415 doesn't seem that bad for that type of weaponry to get tossed around.

Also, it's 455 bucks....soooooo nope. BEFORE shipping.

You expected frugality from a Forge World Lord of War model?

I know, silly. But I expect they would want to sell models. This cuts down on the buyer market significantly.

That being said, question about "bombing run" style abilities. Do you just draw a straight line from one point to another, and anything that falls on that line is bombed, or is the line as "wide" as the unit? So like a 12" wide, 20" long rectangle?

You pick one unit you flew over. Its not an area effect.

Did they move Saggitarium Custodes into the Troops Slot?

Also....why do they keep the tank gun and the telemon gun profiles separate? Just make them the same weapon for simplicity....

It doesn't look like the tank was too heavily nerfed....just lost an essential point of strength on the illiastus. The blaze cannon seems the way to go for the tanks. But not sure about the telemon atm...

Sagitarii and special weapon Custodians are now troops, yes.

Calladius came out relatively ok, but still nerfed. Telemon got nuked.

Guh....what the hell did they do to the telemon?? The range got like cut in half....lost a point of strength on the beam cannons...and a price increase?

 iGuy91 wrote:
Guh....what the hell did they do to the telemon?? The range got like cut in half....lost a point of strength on the beam cannons...and a price increase?

Yeah, I was expecting some kind of tweak to the Telemon, but all three together really is pretty rough. The Caladius is just so vastly superior now, and 60 points cheaper.

If they'd cut the range but given it PotMS or similar, I'd be OK with the new stats, but this feels like too much.

So, they took the one glaring weakness of the Custodes, (Anti-tank platforms) and nuked them. I expected a change, but this is still ugly. You can still have fun with the Telemon, as Fisto-Roboto Bros, running in 2 of them with dual fists to charge back lines. With the price drop on the fists it's not more attractive.

They did bring the fists in line with common sense on the Telemon though, only 10 points for a second one, extra attack.

The Galatus also looks better in a few ways.

But yes, the biggest takeaway from this is effectively having heavy bolter/power axe terminators as troops. The lack of a mortal wounding gimmick on their death ray also makes it viable to shoot both parts of their gun.

So, does anyone think you could "plays as" regular guard custodes with spears as the Bob Saggit guard?

Not sure how to feel about these changes yet. Nice to see the Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannons getting a buff so the Accelerator Cannons aren't the clear cut best choice, not a great balance to have them be able to do everything. Telemon got hit with the nerf bat kinda unjustly but it's still solid. Going by the points though, the fist + Arachnus Storm Cannon might be a good choice now? Sagittarum being troops is good for them but now I'm kinda worried about Custodian Guard getting pushed out of the picture. Glad to see Venatari getting cheaper, they're gorgeous models. Aquilons going up 5 pts is a little unfortunate but it doesn't change much.