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2019/10/30 00:33:51
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
As long as you don't play with the SoCal open terrain rules, you can put a tank with fly just about anywhere you want.
Having played about 9 games with Las-Pulsar Agamatus bikes so far (all in the past week), against everything from Iron Hands to GSC...they are the bomb. The amount of damage they put out is impressive and fills the gap left by the caladius nerf. I really wish we could mix and match in squads with the hurricane bolter dudes, but with the rise of power armor I'm going with battle cannon equivalents for the foreseeable future.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/10/31 04:00:26
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: As long as you don't play with the SoCal open terrain rules, you can put a tank with fly just about anywhere you want.
Having played about 9 games with Las-Pulsar Agamatus bikes so far (all in the past week), against everything from Iron Hands to GSC...they are the bomb. The amount of damage they put out is impressive and fills the gap left by the caladius nerf. I really wish we could mix and match in squads with the hurricane bolter dudes, but with the rise of power armor I'm going with battle cannon equivalents for the foreseeable future.
Face any Knights?
2019/10/31 07:10:09
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: As long as you don't play with the SoCal open terrain rules, you can put a tank with fly just about anywhere you want.
Having played about 9 games with Las-Pulsar Agamatus bikes so far (all in the past week), against everything from Iron Hands to GSC...they are the bomb. The amount of damage they put out is impressive and fills the gap left by the caladius nerf. I really wish we could mix and match in squads with the hurricane bolter dudes, but with the rise of power armor I'm going with battle cannon equivalents for the foreseeable future.
Face any Knights?
Yep, played ad mech list and a 3xCaladius/tank commander list that both had a Krast crusader. My last game was against pure Chaos knights.
Lost to the the leaf blower list cause I went second but beat the others. My list was basically 2 3-man Agamatus squads (las pulsars) and 3x Caladius (accelerator cannon). For the chaos knights game, I actually deepstruck the bike squads when I really shouldn’t have, gave up a lot of points initially but tabled him turn six. I rolled insanely well that whole game, but the math for that shooting is:
3x Caladius w/Trajan = 9.1+3.4 for 12.5 wounds against a 4++
6 bikes (that moved) w/Trajan = 10.9 avg wounds against a 4++
So combined, it’s basically enough to kill a Knight, the numbers go up if the bikes don’t move or the Knight is at a 5++. Ultimately I’m not trying to kill it all the way, just make it shoot worse and move slower until the bikes or Trajan can charge in and finish it. The vexilla magnifica bubble makes knights effectively one damage tier lower than they actually are and I can outrun them.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/10/31 07:28:16
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I'll defer to you of course as you have the experience with them, but man they seem so expensive for just a better gun. 25 ppm on top of normal Jetbikes is punishing when trying to fit them in, while also giving up your Hurricane bolter dakka.
I suppose they make an 'all jetbike' list doable in Highlander format heheh .
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2019/10/31 18:06:58
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Ey guys, after a pretty expensive FW purchase I'm planning to do this list. What are your toughts on it? I know that TANKS are better than anything but is not like I love them too much.
The strategy behind the list is having the Vexillus and Valoris with the Saggitarum in the back, move with the jetbikes and deepstrike everything else.
I have found Saggitarum to perform very well after the buffs out of beta rules, and being able to fire both fire modes now. They are very cool as a moving mini-gunline. I have them misericordias so each one in combat has A4 5F -2AP 1D that isn't bad for a shooting unit. But I don't found that many people that thake them over spear guardians even for Batallion tax. Are they that much worse? I mean, in meele they are much inferior yeah, but their shooting is soo superior and they cost basically the same (2ppm more with Misericordia)
Also the Allaron Custodians... I really try to use them but I haven't found them to perform really well. I suppose the obvious response is "Change them for Vertus Praetors", but I'm asking if anybody has found a proper use for them.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2019/10/31 18:36:44
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Galas wrote: Ey guys, after a pretty expensive FW purchase I'm planning to do this list. What are your toughts on it? I know that TANKS are better than anything but is not like I love them too much.
The strategy behind the list is having the Vexillus and Valoris with the Saggitarum in the back, move with the jetbikes and deepstrike everything else.
I have found Saggitarum to perform very well after the buffs out of beta rules, and being able to fire both fire modes now. They are very cool as a moving mini-gunline. I have them misericordias so each one in combat has A4 5F -2AP 1D that isn't bad for a shooting unit. But I don't found that many people that thake them over spear guardians even for Batallion tax. Are they that much worse? I mean, in meele they are much inferior yeah, but their shooting is soo superior and they cost basically the same (2ppm more with Misericordia)
Also the Allaron Custodians... I really try to use them but I haven't found them to perform really well. I suppose the obvious response is "Change them for Vertus Praetors", but I'm asking if anybody has found a proper use for them.
No good use for Allarus in my opinion. Change them to Aquilons, which do what they do better. I put mine with a Culexus so I can pop Soul Horror if anyone charges them (make all enemies fight last). I use them more for area denial on a quadrant of the board than charging and attacking.
Saggitarum are the best troops, no question in my view. I think any lack of presence is due to the fact that people don't have a ton of them yet (FW was sold out for a bit I think).
2019/10/31 18:37:37
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I'll defer to you of course as you have the experience with them, but man they seem so expensive for just a better gun. 25 ppm on top of normal Jetbikes is punishing when trying to fit them in, while also giving up your Hurricane bolter dakka.
I suppose they make an 'all jetbike' list doable in Highlander format heheh .
They are expensive, my list is an outrider and spearhead and they still take a chunk of my points. The thing is that they are significantly better against vehicles and primaris marines than their hurricane bolter friends, and based on other list choices I simply didn’t have the points for Aquilons or something else, and getting those into combat has always been a struggle anyway.
Basically, I’m deliberately skewing my list towards the marine matchup and hoping that against a true horde my toughness and Caladius tanks will carry me.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/10/31 21:53:42
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
_SeeD_ wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Coronus Grav Carrier? I think because it's 14" move and fly, it can get its load wherever.
I’m curious about this as well. Seems like it could be good (and looks great).
Big though! I find fitting a land raider between terrain can be tricky... and this thing looks even bigger!
I've decided against it. You're essentially paying close to a 200 point premium just to truck 6 infantry around. If you're concerned with getting units into the fray, there are better options, namely Bikes, Tanks, Deep Strike, and the 3cp teleport homer from an advancing Vexilla.
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2019/11/06 21:26:06
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: The Grav carrier really just needs a better gun (like the Caladius version of the storm/arachnus cannon).
I think a points reduction is in order. Also, if I put a Vexilla on the Coronus and deploy him wherever, can I Vexilla Teleport Homer that turn, or is the model considered "other than one that was
set up in this turn"?
2019/11/07 02:21:47
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Has anyone used Agamatus Custodians? They seem pretty pricey but the firepower of the Twin Las-Pulsars is very tempting for an army that needs anti-armor options. Been converting 3 extra Dawneagle bikes I had by adding leftover Lascannon bits to them and I'm trying to justify myself in using them on the table.
2019/11/08 20:41:26
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Mr. Funktastic wrote: Has anyone used Agamatus Custodians? They seem pretty pricey but the firepower of the Twin Las-Pulsars is very tempting for an army that needs anti-armor options. Been converting 3 extra Dawneagle bikes I had by adding leftover Lascannon bits to them and I'm trying to justify myself in using them on the table.
See my previous post, but I’ll elaborate.
They are extremely solid against vehicles, keeping them close to Trajan or a Bike captain if you’re moving fast helps mitigate their -1 from heavy weapons. They are 75 pts/squad more expensive than hurricane bolters, but do about twice the damage to primaris marines. The main reason I take them is to kill vehicles and primaris marines from range, and being Custodes bikes with their damage range you have a lot of options and they can do something every turn. The lower number of shots is somewhat balanced by the fact that you wound a lot of chaff on 2’s denying armor saves, but I have Caladius tanks for that (a squad of vertus praetors would do the job too). They do most of their damage in shooting, but as with all Custodes units moving them so they can also melee gets you the most out of the unit. They are pretty survivable, one big advantage they have over the caladius is that 4++ and/or 1+ save in cover or from Prepared Positions.
Killing armor and T7+ has always kind of been a problem for Custodes, and with the meta shifting to Space Marines I think they are a very solid choice for tailoring your list to that matchup. I don’t think any other weapon options are worth it either on them, you can get that kind of firepower elsewhere and they are too expensive for what they do.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/11/08 22:18:29
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Mr. Funktastic wrote: Has anyone used Agamatus Custodians? They seem pretty pricey but the firepower of the Twin Las-Pulsars is very tempting for an army that needs anti-armor options. Been converting 3 extra Dawneagle bikes I had by adding leftover Lascannon bits to them and I'm trying to justify myself in using them on the table.
See my previous post, but I’ll elaborate.
They are extremely solid against vehicles, keeping them close to Trajan or a Bike captain if you’re moving fast helps mitigate their -1 from heavy weapons. They are 75 pts/squad more expensive than hurricane bolters, but do about twice the damage to primaris marines. The main reason I take them is to kill vehicles and primaris marines from range, and being Custodes bikes with their damage range you have a lot of options and they can do something every turn. The lower number of shots is somewhat balanced by the fact that you wound a lot of chaff on 2’s denying armor saves, but I have Caladius tanks for that (a squad of vertus praetors would do the job too). They do most of their damage in shooting, but as with all Custodes units moving them so they can also melee gets you the most out of the unit. They are pretty survivable, one big advantage they have over the caladius is that 4++ and/or 1+ save in cover or from Prepared Positions.
Killing armor and T7+ has always kind of been a problem for Custodes, and with the meta shifting to Space Marines I think they are a very solid choice for tailoring your list to that matchup. I don’t think any other weapon options are worth it either on them, you can get that kind of firepower elsewhere and they are too expensive for what they do.
Thanks for that detailed assessment, that's just what I was looking for! They do seem like they can definitely contribute either in melee or in shooting against a wide variety of targets and certainly against Primaris which seem prevalent in the meta these days. Paying the premium for those twin las-pulsars hurts but it sounds like they do a solid job in making back their points. I only have 3 so I'm hoping 12 S8 AP-2 D3 damage shots are enough to put in work, I'll probably throw in some other threats to try and take the heat off of them and try and have them survive as long as I can.
2019/11/08 22:50:13
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
@Mr Funktastic I would definitely run a couple games with them, you’ll have a much better feel for the unit after a couple practice games (I’ve found that Custodes on the table are often better than Custodes on paper for some reason). You’ll get an idea of how they fit into your list and what they can replace.
Another note I’d add is that they tended to be the main targets for my opponents, and drew fire off my other stuff...namely the 3 caladius tanks. A lot of good “anti-vehicle” shots were effectively wasted on the 2 squads of bikes. So I’d mentally be prepared for your bikes to die, and your other “distraction unit” to actually do a decent bit of the heavy lifting. A lot depends on what else you’re running, so practicing a couple friendly games with them will be good. I’ve proxied or used almost everything in the data sheets at this point and it’s definitely been a helpful practice.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/11/12 13:55:30
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So with the new OM rules, does anyone think adding an inquisitor to their Custodes group would help out? Greyfax?
I see two good options: Greyfax, for her +1 denies and "no escape" warlord trait. She's more durable than any other inquisitor with that trait you can make.
The other option is an Ordo Xenos inquisitor with the "esoteric lore" warlord trait for a bit of CP farming and potentially the mental interrogation power (all inquisitors should take that one anyway). Basically use him/her as a CP farm. It's not a lot but when you only start with 5 CP...it can be a big deal.
The biggest issue I see with them is their lack of durability in a sniper-heavy meta, unlike our other support characters these guys will die. But yeah, I see a potential use for No Escape and the CP farming. The crazy idea (if you're willing to break pure custodes) is to take a vanguard of 6 individual acolytes to sit on objectives while your more durable units push up or use them as a really cheap / expendable screen; combined with psychic veil you might be able to deny a fair amount of deepstrike-charges.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/11/20 19:24:43
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: So with the new OM rules, does anyone think adding an inquisitor to their Custodes group would help out? Greyfax?
I see two good options: Greyfax, for her +1 denies and "no escape" warlord trait. She's more durable than any other inquisitor with that trait you can make.
The other option is an Ordo Xenos inquisitor with the "esoteric lore" warlord trait for a bit of CP farming and potentially the mental interrogation power (all inquisitors should take that one anyway). Basically use him/her as a CP farm. It's not a lot but when you only start with 5 CP...it can be a big deal.
The biggest issue I see with them is their lack of durability in a sniper-heavy meta, unlike our other support characters these guys will die. But yeah, I see a potential use for No Escape and the CP farming. The crazy idea (if you're willing to break pure custodes) is to take a vanguard of 6 individual acolytes to sit on objectives while your more durable units push up or use them as a really cheap / expendable screen; combined with psychic veil you might be able to deny a fair amount of deepstrike-charges.
Rule Of Three says only three units of Acolytes.
But the rest of that seems pretty accurate and good.
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2019/11/20 20:57:55
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Given the cost of my Holy C3POs I don't expect I can do more than 150pts of SoS. The cost of an inquisitor, and a retinue seems excessive just to garner CPs.
2019/11/20 23:29:12
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
If you’re going to farm CP just take the 55 pt inquisitor and hide it (until you need the psychic powers). Also forgot to mention the Terrify power for denying overwatch...there’s not as much utility in it but could be situationally useful.
Thanks JNA, I always seem to forget about the rule of 3 on here (even while I defend it in other places)!
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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2019/11/21 14:33:34
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So wait, do the new inquisitor rules allow inquisitors to be HQs for SoS?
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/11/21 18:10:57
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
iGuy91 wrote: So wait, do the new inquisitor rules allow inquisitors to be HQs for SoS?
Yes, but no. The Inquisitor doesnt use a slot, so you'd still need a Primaris Psyker if you want to run a real Vanguard of SoS.
Ah...shucks.
Been running my Sag. Guard some more. Been pretty happy with them thusfar. Last time running 1 squad of the regular guard to move upfield, and 2 squads of Sag. Guard was pretty effective. Between the shooting, then melee, they deal quite a lot of damage to MEQ units.
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/11/22 20:06:17
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Anyone wanna bet the next change the Custodes get is to make the Guardian's Spears Assault 3?
What makes you think Custodes are getting any changes at all? We were defined by the grav tank, and that got changed but outside of a few appearances here and there we're kind of under the radar now.
Not to be insensitive, but the only influential person who really cared about Custodes as a faction is dead.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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