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2020/01/08 13:12:47
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I tend to run my bats as
Trajann
Bike Captain
2x3 sag guard with misericordia
1x3 guard x2 spear, x1 shield
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2020/01/09 22:40:24
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So I need some advice again for a 3000p list where I am going to play against 3 of my buddies at the same time. One of our group has just startet orks and has just 500p now approximately. He'll be teamed up with necrons and tau with 1250p each. So it's basically the golden boys VS a bunch of filthy xenos.
I won't be playing a super competitive list since this is just a friendly game and the ork player obviously won't be able to play a strong list since he just started out and doesn't have the models.
Regarding strategy: the two telemon are supposed to represent a solid heavy fire base along with the standard shield captain and the vexilla. This fire base along with the bike squad and the bike captain are to represent the main threats for my opponents which they have to decide which they want to focus on.
The allarus are supposed to be a backfield threat along with the terminator captain and the terminator vexilla. They probably won't make their charges in turn two because I always roll like crap but that's why I gave the terminator vexilla also the magnifica, so that they might survive a shooting phase. On turn 3 the terminator vexilla is key to advance and drop in my warden bomb who should murderize any priority target they come in contact with.
I also wanted to give the venatari another shot. I said myself that they underperform in my last posts, but I like the models so...why not.
Also I added a vindicate because I never did before and I think they are cool, also there are going to be a lot of valuable targets to snipe in that game, especially with necrons.
You think that list might work?
2020/01/11 02:16:29
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: So I need some advice again for a 3000p list where I am going to play against 3 of my buddies at the same time. One of our group has just startet orks and has just 500p now approximately. He'll be teamed up with necrons and tau with 1250p each. So it's basically the golden boys VS a bunch of filthy xenos.
I won't be playing a super competitive list since this is just a friendly game and the ork player obviously won't be able to play a strong list since he just started out and doesn't have the models.
Regarding strategy: the two telemon are supposed to represent a solid heavy fire base along with the standard shield captain and the vexilla. This fire base along with the bike squad and the bike captain are to represent the main threats for my opponents which they have to decide which they want to focus on.
The allarus are supposed to be a backfield threat along with the terminator captain and the terminator vexilla. They probably won't make their charges in turn two because I always roll like crap but that's why I gave the terminator vexilla also the magnifica, so that they might survive a shooting phase. On turn 3 the terminator vexilla is key to advance and drop in my warden bomb who should murderize any priority target they come in contact with.
I also wanted to give the venatari another shot. I said myself that they underperform in my last posts, but I like the models so...why not.
Also I added a vindicate because I never did before and I think they are cool, also there are going to be a lot of valuable targets to snipe in that game, especially with necrons.
You think that list might work?
I think the vindicare is going to be crucial for you to crack a solid Tau castle, killing a few buffing characters if their drones are not placed properly will drastically reduce the damage you have coming in. Make sure your telemons are under your vexilla bubble to keep them more safe. If you don't go first, prepared positions should help weather the storm mostly unscathed if you deploy well.
Otherwise, if the Orks are casual, you should be able to brush them aside in assault, and necrons are going to struggle to land tesla against -1 to hit targets. If they have destroyers, focus them down with the telemons. Remember, necrons have a strat for 1cp to get a 50/50 shot at bringing back a character after they die. So your mileage against them with the vindy may be limited some.
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2020/01/11 07:16:39
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Thank you for the suggestions. Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought the tau have the worst targets for the vindicare. Their commanders are not infantry as far as I know and sniping an etherial is not really worth it, is it?
I was more hoping to take out a cryptek or an overlord with him to hinder reanimation protocols and my will be done. Yes, they can be brought back with a strat, but they are so crucial to the necrons strategy and usually very well screened that I feel they are the highest priority target for the vindicare, along with an ork psyker, if the ork player brings one to the table.
2020/01/11 13:53:20
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: Thank you for the suggestions. Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought the tau have the worst targets for the vindicare. Their commanders are not infantry as far as I know and sniping an etherial is not really worth it, is it?
I was more hoping to take out a cryptek or an overlord with him to hinder reanimation protocols and my will be done. Yes, they can be brought back with a strat, but they are so crucial to the necrons strategy and usually very well screened that I feel they are the highest priority target for the vindicare, along with an ork psyker, if the ork player brings one to the table.
The Tau have things like darkstrider, firesight marksmen etc which usually end up being 40 point buff characters to make their dudes triple tap, they usually have 4 wounds, and like 4+ armor save, making them ideal targets. Ork Pyskers would be good too for that.
Regarding the Termies and Wardens, why not advance the vexilla into LOS blocking terrain, then move and advance again turn 2, pop the teleport homer, and drop both in danger close, with the bikes following them in for support? On paper, seems like a fine idea. Beware Da Jump sending boys to tie up your telemons all game.
Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
...
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2020/01/11 16:15:00
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Tiberias wrote: Thank you for the suggestions. Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought the tau have the worst targets for the vindicare. Their commanders are not infantry as far as I know and sniping an etherial is not really worth it, is it?
I was more hoping to take out a cryptek or an overlord with him to hinder reanimation protocols and my will be done. Yes, they can be brought back with a strat, but they are so crucial to the necrons strategy and usually very well screened that I feel they are the highest priority target for the vindicare, along with an ork psyker, if the ork player brings one to the table.
The Tau have things like darkstrider, firesight marksmen etc which usually end up being 40 point buff characters to make their dudes triple tap, they usually have 4 wounds, and like 4+ armor save, making them ideal targets. Ork Pyskers would be good too for that.
Regarding the Termies and Wardens, why not advance the vexilla into LOS blocking terrain, then move and advance again turn 2, pop the teleport homer, and drop both in danger close, with the bikes following them in for support? On paper, seems like a fine idea. Beware Da Jump sending boys to tie up your telemons all game.
Fair enough, I'll keep my eye out for those tau targets, thanks for the suggestion.
I chose to take a terminator vexilla, because in my gaming group everybody knows what the vexilla can do and they avoid them like the plague. Generally amongst my buddies I am the only one playing a melee centered army (except maybe from the one who just started orks, but well see) so they generally try to keep clear from my guys and especially the vexilla.
Now if you plant a deepstriking termi-vexilla in their backline within some LOS blocking terrain they have two options: stay in the threat radius of the termi-vexilla who will drop some mean stuff right in their face via the stratagem in turn 3, or shift their valuable backline units forwards up the board, away from the termi-vexilla....which is where my jetbikes will most likely be hanging around (if they survive). This approach has worked better for me in my recent experiences.
Also before anyone asks why I took the allarus terminators over the aquilon: I know the aquilon are better in almost every situation, but for this kind of game the allarus are just fine. If they manage to get to their target, they'll do some decent work. Also like I said in the beginning, I did not want to bring a super competitive list.
Edit: Forgot to mention, the saggitarum are meant to hold backfield objectives and stay in relative proximity to my telemon castle to protect them from deepstrikes.
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2020/01/15 18:20:40
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
jUST GET 10-15 BIKES AND A CAN of Golf spray paint. Maybe trajann and a vouple boxes of the custodian guard. bam. Instant tournament list BN. Bikes are the only thingwoth it's points Unless you go FW in which case you are WAAC and you shouldn't be playing custodes
2020/01/18 10:07:23
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: jUST GET 10-15 BIKES AND A CAN of Golf spray paint. Maybe trajann and a vouple boxes of the custodian guard. bam. Instant tournament list BN. Bikes are the only thingwoth it's points Unless you go FW in which case you are WAAC and you shouldn't be playing custodes
That's one hell of a troll post there. All bike lists haven't been competitive for awhile. Bikes get blown off the board by anyone with common sense at this point.
Actual lists that have been doing well in previous tournaments (recently) have all been infantry based lists with Trajann, one/two bike captains, troop tax and then warden blob, allarus/aquilons and a banner babe. Though the reason these lists are winning is they hide in terrain and force people to play into Custodes strength; being hard to remove and very good in melee. (Or replace troop tax with Rusty 17 / Loyal 32 and some psychic defense and just run a vanguard of custodes).
2020/01/23 17:43:50
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Supposedly there is a Codex: Custodes 2.0 coming, there's a few leaks of shipping manifests in the N&R threads. But no one knows anything about content or release date,.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2020/01/23 17:53:13
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: jUST GET 10-15 BIKES AND A CAN of Golf spray paint. Maybe trajann and a vouple boxes of the custodian guard. bam. Instant tournament list BN. Bikes are the only thingwoth it's points Unless you go FW in which case you are WAAC and you shouldn't be playing custodes
That's one hell of a troll post there. All bike lists haven't been competitive for awhile. Bikes get blown off the board by anyone with common sense at this point.
Actual lists that have been doing well in previous tournaments (recently) have all been infantry based lists with Trajann, one/two bike captains, troop tax and then warden blob, allarus/aquilons and a banner babe. Though the reason these lists are winning is they hide in terrain and force people to play into Custodes strength; being hard to remove and very good in melee. (Or replace troop tax with Rusty 17 / Loyal 32 and some psychic defense and just run a vanguard of custodes).
This isn't entiiiirely true. There's one guy pushing hard and doing well with Infantry and maybe one or two copycats. Plurlarity Custodes are still Caladius gunline when you see them I think.
2020/01/23 19:31:47
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: Supposedly there is a Codex: Custodes 2.0 coming, there's a few leaks of shipping manifests in the N&R threads. But no one knows anything about content or release date,.
Yeah I've seen that picture, it says a production run of only 1530 books though which seems really small for a totally new codex release from GW, even Custodes. If its a genuine thing I've got a suspicion that its actually just a second print run of the original codex to top up their stores. Either print run #2 or perhaps revision #2 fixing spelling and editing etc.
I'd like to be wrong of course!
2020/01/23 22:49:06
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
There's a spikey bits article pointing out a couple of issues with the ideas of a second custodes codex. The most compelling one is that the version number on the manifest matches that of the current codex.
2020/01/24 12:41:58
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Why would GW waste money on a faction that most owners spend the majority of their purchases on FW not GW. Thinking Calli tanks, Telemons, Sag Guard kits, not to mention Aquillons
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2020/01/24 14:36:40
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Why would GW waste money on a faction that most owners spend the majority of their purchases on FW not GW. Thinking Calli tanks, Telemons, Sag Guard kits, not to mention Aquillons
Because GW and FW are the same company?
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2020/01/24 18:27:06
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Why would GW waste money on a faction that most owners spend the majority of their purchases on FW not GW. Thinking Calli tanks, Telemons, Sag Guard kits, not to mention Aquillons
Because GW and FW are the same company?
They are owned by GW ye, but every FW modfel sold directly affects the bottom line of GW...Listen the the Long WAr podcast. They talk about how th new ITC rules were pushed by GW to stop FW model usage at tables with cameras
2020/01/24 23:31:34
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Spartacus wrote: If anything Custodes are one of the more $$ efficient factions, with how few kits they had to design for the codex.
uNLESS YOU ARE interedsted in competitive, then you have to go FW, and efficiency cost goes out the window with your wallet. Even Ebay doesn't have good deal on Custodes.
2020/01/25 03:24:42
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Spartacus wrote: If anything Custodes are one of the more $$ efficient factions, with how few kits they had to design for the codex.
uNLESS YOU ARE interedsted in competitive, then you have to go FW, and efficiency cost goes out the window with your wallet. Even Ebay doesn't have good deal on Custodes.
I'm not talking about buying a cheap army from the players point of view, your original comment was why GW would bother putting out rules for Custodes because they don't make any money and players only buy FW. Having only 5 plastic kits for the entire codex is fantastic for GW because the investment to design and tool up for each different kit is so big, while production costs after the setup are small. Pretty basic economics.
Re: FW - GW aren't solely concerned with competitive though are they. 'Casual' players make up the majority of their customers. And if GW is so significantly hurt by 40k Custodes players buying FW models then why bother writing up and publishing 3 iterations of rules recently to support exactly that? Makes no sense.
2020/01/25 14:26:38
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Spartacus wrote: If anything Custodes are one of the more $$ efficient factions, with how few kits they had to design for the codex.
uNLESS YOU ARE interedsted in competitive, then you have to go FW, and efficiency cost goes out the window with your wallet. Even Ebay doesn't have good deal on Custodes.
I'm not talking about buying a cheap army from the players point of view, your original comment was why GW would bother putting out rules for Custodes because they don't make any money and players only buy FW. Having only 5 plastic kits for the entire codex is fantastic for GW because the investment to design and tool up for each different kit is so big, while production costs after the setup are small. Pretty basic economics.
Re: FW - GW aren't solely concerned with competitive though are they. 'Casual' players make up the majority of their customers. And if GW is so significantly hurt by 40k Custodes players buying FW models then why bother writing up and publishing 3 iterations of rules recently to support exactly that? Makes no sense.
What three rules are you talking about. And if you can't understand how losing business to the Primary modelling competition in the entire industry hurts their bottom line, I dunno, repeat high school econ classes. FW exists to compete with GW. Right now Custodes are ONLY barely Viable because of their FW stuff, No one is winning locals with the base codex. Unless Custodes2.0 drops before 9th (Extremely unlikely) we won't see any major changes.
2020/01/25 16:53:38
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
@Fezzik Forge World is part of Games Workshop. Saying one steals sales from the other is like saying Ford’s truck line is stealing sales from their sedan line. GW makes the same amount of sales whether you buy $120 of caladius grav tanks or $120 of wardens.
Now if you’re trying to say that people are buying RECAST Forgeworld instead of actual FW/GW products, you might have a point. But that’s not what your words are saying.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2020/01/25 17:02:19
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
greyknight12 wrote: @Fezzik Forge World is part of Games Workshop. Saying one steals sales from the other is like saying Ford’s truck line is stealing sales from their sedan line. GW makes the same amount of sales whether you buy $120 of caladius grav tanks or $120 of wardens.
Now if you’re trying to say that people are buying RECAST Forgeworld instead of actual FW/GW products, you might have a point. But that’s not what your words are saying.
However 120$ spent on wardens with plastic sprues machine cast sprue after sprue after sprue automatically vs resin castin that involves more human work provides higher PROFIT MARGIN.
There's reason GW studio has been nerfing resin units. Even units that never dominated tournaments to begin with have been hit by 300% price hikes.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2020/01/25 20:45:52
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
What three rules are you talking about. And if you can't understand how losing business to the Primary modelling competition in the entire industry hurts their bottom line, I dunno, repeat high school econ classes. FW exists to compete with GW. Right now Custodes are ONLY barely Viable because of their FW stuff, No one is winning locals with the base codex. Unless Custodes2.0 drops before 9th (Extremely unlikely) we won't see any major changes.
The three sets of rules are the three iterations of Custodes FW Beta/final rules (written by the GW40k rules team) which have been released over the last 24 months.
What on earth are you talking about, competition? FW and GW are different divisions of the same company. Your comment that they compete with each other is patently false. If the smaller FW business model was any sort of significant detriment to the larger main GW one, it would simply be shut down to earn Games Workshop Group PLC more money. But they aren't, in fact FW continues to be included in 40k (see aforementioned rules), therefore they must be complimentary. How is that so difficult to see?
You don't even seem to know what you're arguing about honestly, your topic changes from post to post.
2020/01/26 20:58:21
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
with the Recent pts changes to land raiders, does anyone see them as a legit alternative to the airship?? Also, posible suggestion to make viable, make all the different LRs venerable and choseable. Venerable landraider Crusader???
2020/01/29 09:29:35
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
10000 pts
4000 pts
