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Here’s the 5-1 list:

Uhhhh.......wow thats....quite an oddball list. Hide, and rack up points with a Vexilla Teleport homer bomb, and concussion grenades from the captain i guess?

 greyknight12 wrote:
Here’s the 5-1 list:

Thanks! That's quite an unusual list, but it's a lot of 3++ saves to chew through...

Its one of the toughest armies you can make. However, it has no shooting presence and will have to completely anticipate where its opponent is gonna move to in order to score points.

It's ironically far better at taking out knights that a biker spam list though, just from sheer number of ap-3 d3 damage attacks.

Allarus captains can't use the grenades unfortunately, the stratagem specifically targets 'Allarus Terminators' i.e. the squad, exclusively. No other datasheet can make use of it.

No Vex magnifica for a list trying to be super tough is also interesting, shows once again how far hit modifiers have fallen in importance. With how cagey ITC seems to play of late I'm not surprised you can get away without shooting. In the final matches between shooty-as-hell marine lists there was basically no shooting until about turn 3.

Also not surprised the Vex Imperius showed up, it has been game winning for me recently at it's new cost. The Teleport Homer bomb just obliterates everything it can touch when he's around.

Do any of you guys have the matches that list went up against and what the scores was?

Just curious (=

Wow, This seriously forces me to re-think my modelling choices I mean who would have ever guessed that shield/sword combo would be this cheap? In a way, it outperforms Sag Guard, because they likely aren't surviving till turn 4

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:There is a reason why GW is telling ITC that they refuse to sponser events where they film tables with non-GW minis.

This is true. Games Workshop do not want non-GW models on stream at their sponsored events. But FW models ARE GW models.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Why would GW waste money on a faction that most owners spend the majority of their purchases on FW not GW. Thinking Calli tanks, Telemons, Sag Guard kits, not to mention Aquillons

Everything you buy from FW makes GW money. I'm not sure what you're not getting here.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:What three rules are you talking about. And if you can't understand how losing business to the Primary modelling competition in the entire industry hurts their bottom line, I dunno, repeat high school econ classes. FW exists to compete with GW. Right now Custodes are ONLY barely Viable because of their FW stuff, No one is winning locals with the base codex. Unless Custodes2.0 drops before 9th (Extremely unlikely) we won't see any major changes.

What on earth are you talking about? Forge World is a part of Games Workshop PLC. FW does not compete with GW. Whether you spend your money in a Warhammer/GW store or at FW, it all goes into GW PLC's coffers. If you think that a specialist branch of a company is in direct competition with that company, it's you who needs to repeat econ classes mate.

Robtype0 wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:There is a reason why GW is telling ITC that they refuse to sponser events where they film tables with non-GW minis.

This is true. Games Workshop do not want non-GW models on stream at their sponsored events. But FW models ARE GW models.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Why would GW waste money on a faction that most owners spend the majority of their purchases on FW not GW. Thinking Calli tanks, Telemons, Sag Guard kits, not to mention Aquillons

Everything you buy from FW makes GW money. I'm not sure what you're not getting here.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:What three rules are you talking about. And if you can't understand how losing business to the Primary modelling competition in the entire industry hurts their bottom line, I dunno, repeat high school econ classes. FW exists to compete with GW. Right now Custodes are ONLY barely Viable because of their FW stuff, No one is winning locals with the base codex. Unless Custodes2.0 drops before 9th (Extremely unlikely) we won't see any major changes.

What on earth are you talking about? Forge World is a part of Games Workshop PLC. FW does not compete with GW. Whether you spend your money in a Warhammer/GW store or at FW, it all goes into GW PLC's coffers. If you think that a specialist branch of a company is in direct competition with that company, it's you who needs to repeat econ classes mate.

FW money makes less profit though than GW does. Resin has lower rate of profit than plastic. One is machine produced press button and sprues are automatically cast. Other takes human work in casting process.

tneva82 wrote:
FW money makes less profit though than GW does. Resin has lower rate of profit than plastic. One is machine produced press button and sprues are automatically cast. Other takes human work in casting process.

Which is why FW are way more expensive than normal models. As a business, they pass those extra costs on to the customer. I'm sure their margins are very similar or they wouldn't even be in business for as long as they have been. Warlord titans and Tau Mantas (or other big ticket FW items) are not exactly flying off the shelves. So I'm sure this has been calculated into operating cost too.

Forgeworld is a 22 year old business. You don't make it that long in the gaming industry without knowing basic economics.

tneva82 wrote:
FW money makes less profit though than GW does. Resin has lower rate of profit than plastic. One is machine produced press button and sprues are automatically cast. Other takes human work in casting process.

Sure, margins are different across the product ranges. I'm sure that's the case within GW's plastic range as well. And yes, they definitely increase the prices of FW models to account for the production costs.

But the other user stated that Forge World is in competition with GW, that GW were trying to stifle coverage of FW models at tournaments, and that trying to drive sales of FW models was a waste of money for GW. That is patently false.

As an aside, Forge World models are resin cast because of the lower demand. If you're selling fewer of something, you won't incur the initial costs of creating the injection moulding tools as there's a good chance you won't make that back in the volume of sales you expect to have. An interesting talking point is around the future of FW and its viability in the face of the ever-increasing quality of today's plastics, but that's getting way off topic.

 greyknight12 wrote:
Here’s the 5-1 list:

This is an awesome list. Who piloted it?
Reminds me of:

Bridger Hahn

I wish we could go hoplite and use spears with shields!

Don't get me wrong, I like the list, but at a Major or GT you will not win overall with it.

It did exactly what it was meant to do, be unkillable, and win games.

However your score at the end of the tourney will be too low to get into the top 8 so it cant win the overall.

Well said, There are benefits however to going 5-1 at LVO. GW takes your race/faction more seriously in the future?

I would take a 5-1 at the LVO, any day! Major props to Bridger!

He's part of the Tabletop Titans crew (they've got some great vids on YouTube). Canhammer also did an interview with him on how he used the list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF3zXlVIkW0

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I like the list, but at a Major or GT you will not win overall with it.

It did exactly what it was meant to do, be unkillable, and win games.

However your score at the end of the tourney will be too low to get into the top 8 so it cant win the overall.

It’s a list that plays to the format. Don’t play it not in itc with magic boxes and lots of cover

So, how are we all feeling now that the FAQ that dropped today NERFED Custodes further? Aquilons, Caladius, and Telemons got the bat...again? For some reason?

 iGuy91 wrote:
So, how are we all feeling now that the FAQ that dropped today NERFED Custodes further? Aquilons, Caladius, and Telemons got the bat...again? For some reason?

Sticking to casual play with mine while waiting for Psychic Awakening. Played with them yesterday in a monthly league against an Iron Hands list with Thunderfires, Chaplain Dreads, Repulsor Executioners, Eliminators and the supporting characters. Never felt the decisions I made really affected the outcome very much.

I'm fairly positive the"Rules committee" is just a petulant 13 year old who gets the crap kicked out of his IH army each week at his FLGS. And which ever race/faction beats him gets the nerf bat. I mean, what was the point of forcing us to buy all those stupid FAQs just to nerf us back to pre FAQ levels.

 iGuy91 wrote:
So, how are we all feeling now that the FAQ that dropped today NERFED Custodes further? Aquilons, Caladius, and Telemons got the bat...again? For some reason?

I don't actually believe this is an intentional nerf. I mean it's a functional nerf, sure, but I think this is more a sign of poor communication or incompetence on the part of GW.

I say this because Chapter Approved changed the points back to the beta rules points, a few months after the August (I believe) finalised rules increased the points along with the changes to the Caladius, Telemon and the troops. It looks to me like CA got published, mistakenly, with the original points from the beta rules. This FAQ then re-corrects the points to the finalised rules version.

Not that this is much of an excuse, but I think we should understand the CA points drops as a mistake rather than a conscious balance fix.

Ok, but if that's true, I want my money back for the CA books. If GW releases a change that invalidates a book they are STILL currently selling, that book should be free.


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So, rquestion: seeing as how our models are roughly twice the size of other infantry models, with way more area coverages (Spears and axes), I have struck out on buying model travel kits on line. The ones on FLG are for standard marines armies, and don't even fit my guardians with shields. I'm loath to go to the shoebox method just because I hate having to repair travel damage.

Has anyone found a perfect case or method for transporting Adeptus Custodes around? All Bikes and infantry here.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Ok, but if that's true, I want my money back for the CA books. If GW releases a change that invalidates a book they are STILL currently selling, that book should be free.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So, rquestion: seeing as how our models are roughly twice the size of other infantry models, with way more area coverages (Spears and axes), I have struck out on buying model travel kits on line. The ones on FLG are for standard marines armies, and don't even fit my guardians with shields. I'm loath to go to the shoebox method just because I hate having to repair travel damage.

Has anyone found a perfect case or method for transporting Adeptus Custodes around? All Bikes and infantry here.

This is how i do it.

https://imgur.com/a/F1XqjaV

I just grabbed 6 fist/bolter Aquilons. I assume the best way to use them is to teleport homer bomb them, correct?

Also, can I legally swap them to 40mm bases from the 50mm bases? They look totally absurd on the larger base in my mind

 iGuy91 wrote:
I just grabbed 6 fist/bolter Aquilons. I assume the best way to use them is to teleport homer bomb them, correct?

Also, can I legally swap them to 40mm bases from the 50mm bases? They look totally absurd on the larger base in my mind

That is technically modeling for advantage, and could get you kicked out of competitive games, but you do whatever you want, it's just you soldiers.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Ok, but if that's true, I want my money back for the CA books. If GW releases a change that invalidates a book they are STILL currently selling, that book should be free.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So, rquestion: seeing as how our models are roughly twice the size of other infantry models, with way more area coverages (Spears and axes), I have struck out on buying model travel kits on line. The ones on FLG are for standard marines armies, and don't even fit my guardians with shields. I'm loath to go to the shoebox method just because I hate having to repair travel damage.

Has anyone found a perfect case or method for transporting Adeptus Custodes around? All Bikes and infantry here.

My transport solution on pretty much anything that's not on transparent bases(like necron vehicles): Any random box(I use plastic boxes I get from local supermarket for like 7e), metal sheet to bottom and magnets to bottom of base.

I can carry models upside down(indeed I put on bigger boxes sheet on bottom and on lid and carry 2 layers, one upside down) and even shake the box upside down and models stay where they are.

No bumping into each other. They are essentially standing freely just as if they were on bookshelf or gaming table except even fingers not touching them. Top of that no fitting them to foam slots or anything. Just put on suitable position and let magnet do it's job.

Since a lot of armies already have gotten some updates in psychic awakening, I was wondering how your custodes are holding up so far.
I am asking because I have a creeping feeling that we might be one of the last armies to get something out of psychic awakening (just my guess) and I already have quite some trouble keeping up with my buddies armies.

tneva82 wrote:
My transport solution on pretty much anything that's not on transparent bases(like necron vehicles): Any random box(I use plastic boxes I get from local supermarket for like 7e), metal sheet to bottom and magnets to bottom of base.

If you paint the transparent bases you can then glue thin magnetic discs underneath, such as https://magneticdisplays.co.uk/magnetic-displays/standard-range/Mag-Discs-30mm (similar ones available from eBay etc, which may be cheaper). They're adhesive-backed but I always superglue them for good measure. There are different sizes available and I usually glue 3 under the base to avoid wobble. They only raise the model by like a milimeter.

That's of course possibility. And if you paint other options are available as well i guess. Like what i do with rhinos where i drill holes to tracks and put magnets there.

Hmm...that is idea. Could put bases to look like others as well. Definitely an idea. Have to get spare one and try it out. Necron vehicles been biggest things that bug me to transport