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Custodes + Castellan is just about the most That Guy list I have seen in a local meta, and it's an easy way to have no one bother to play with you in a casual setting. It's never made it to the big tables for many reasons, least of which is it's not worth the points. Our Telemon is basically a better/cheaper knight, and we get to keep our keywords.

Welp, the end is nigh for Custodes.

Marines are getting 3 damage heavy bolters now on t5 3w heavy intercessors....sigh.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Welp, the end is nigh for Custodes.

Marines are getting 3 damage heavy bolters now on t5 3w heavy intercessors....sigh.

... What?

Its a single upgraded heavy bolter that can only be taken if the Heavy Intercessor unit takes their version of Stalker Bolt Rifles. Heavy 2 S5, AP2 D3. Theyre not spammable. At most there can be two in a squad that costs ~300 points or so.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
I think the biggest issue with solar watch is that you are relying on bikes, which looking back all through 8th people realized couldnt win tournaments.

They are hands down the best overall unit in the game stat-wise, but are expensive and didnt have much stratagem support.

Considering how most armies focused on being able to take down durable stuff in 8th, bikes werent gonna stand up.

In 9th though, due to how important holding objectives are, your gonna see a whole lot more infantry running around. Bikes counter infantry pretty hard.


Solar watch can work, you just need to remember that it will be utterly crucial in the first 2 turns to remove at least 80% of your opponents infantry, because thats about all your gonna get with the bikes before they get taken out. Hilariously enough, White Scars will have a very rough time againgst solar watch. Outriders are a bit faster than our bikes, but just bounce off of them.


Im personally a big fan of Dread Host, but the solar watch are beautiful if you can actually get it all painted up.

Bikes won several tournaments. But the meta changes, new codexes drop, and bikes didn't keep up. Which is just how 40k goes. Any suggestions made now are not going to be valid in half a year's time.

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
You crazy man!!! That list is awesome.

Love that you could pull a win

Pfft I been playing with 20 bike lists throughout all of 8th.

Now I can't fit the points in any more, so a bit of sadness there.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Welp, the end is nigh for Custodes.

Marines are getting 3 damage heavy bolters now on t5 3w heavy intercessors....sigh.

Custodes were kinda fethed when they previewed 4 damage thunder hammers. So many of the meta combat marine choices rely on thunderhammers that halving the number of wounds that have to go through terminators really skews the points in favor of slam captains. Wulfen and death company also come with piles of thunderhammers and remain meta relevant. A squad of death company is going to absolutely delete a squad of terminators, even using transhuman, and has the benefit of marines having a lot more chaff and choices to push contesting objectives first to all the DC to stay in reserve longer than a custodes player can afford to keep his termies off the table.

Slam captain just make an awful matchup though. They'll do some real attrition for not too serious investment in points, and a super blood angel one has a good chance of wiping a squad.

Also, heavy intercessors are just better Sags, yes. XD


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Also, like there's a lot of thunderhammer sergeants too that will add a bit of attrition just fighting intercessors.

Im frankly much more scared of the 3 shot Heavy Meltas on the Speeders, that also by the way have some primaris BS krak missile launchers on the back. So they took a Repulsor, a Whilwind, an Eradicator, and a Land Speeder, made them all hate feth, and they had an equally hateful 10w t6 baby with fly and a 16" move.. Yeah, I'm not liking my 10 new Shield guardians for holding objectives now. I'm guessing 175pts for the new land speeders, that with 3 shots of S8 AP4 D6+2 damage plus whatever their missiles get them that are flat 3d each, thats a dead squad of anything on an objective, sans bikes.

They're too easy to kill. I don't think the meta will shift around the speeders unless the marine codex or a supplement has a number of tricks to make them survive. 10w of t6 at 3 plus with now invuls is easy for even custodes shooting to get through.

I think the meta for marines will remain mobs of elite troops aggressively costed.

Right, They are easy to wipe off the board, but not before they run up and toast that squad of terminators, or the Telemon. Or run the guardians off the objective. I'm honestly not sure why GW is deciding to just level up all the damage of weapons across the board. What was "too difficult to kill" that deserved 3 shot meltas that essentially do 3d6+6 damage? That is potentially a dead baneblade. For likely half the cost. I don't understand the direction GW is going, unless Custodians and other elite factions get doubled wounds. 10 wound Custodians anyone?

I mean, it's gonna be a bummer for custodes comparing weapon damages until custodes get an update in... a year or so. Just gotta hope custodes get a weapon update when we eventually get attention.

At this point, I won't lie. I'm taking Sisters with Bolters for holding objectives.

Why spend 150 points on Guardians when you can just hold objectives with the Sisters for 50points a pop? I'd rather have cheap chaff then expensive chaff. And now even our best units are chaff to the new SM Toys.

I wonder if they will give us some way to take more than 3 squads.....

Anyone else hopeful for some small tweaks and buffs for our forgeworld units in the new imperial armor compendium? Maybe even the achillus becomes playable with some tweaks, just give it more attacks and a 4++ or something and it would be really interesting.
What would you like to see?

Tiberias wrote:
Anyone else hopeful for some small tweaks and buffs for our forgeworld units in the new imperial armor compendium? Maybe even the achillus becomes playable with some tweaks, just give it more attacks and a 4++ or something and it would be really interesting.
What would you like to see?

I think that's the most likely rescue source given marine buffs. If Sag go up in wounds or something in there it's a good sign.

Custodes will get the 4+ storm shield. so sowrd and shield guys will have 1+ and 3++
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/14/codex-space-marines-weapons-and-wargear-updates/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_14th_September_Space_Marines_GER&utm_content=&utm_term=_&m_i=Y78Xihu65usM2_%2B4pYSpbNODIg5p5mk%2BmJfztRX0Is4%2Bgp_6bqOQUINInhFR2M%2Bux6Tc8sxfn%2B8GUuMIImp1jJRu06FVaF0YYT

2+ +1 / 3++

Very important distinction. It's still a boost for the sword and board lads though.

Our +1 to invulnerable saves doesn't affect storm shields though, so sword and board is now 2+/4++

 mrhappyface wrote:
Our +1 to invulnerable saves doesn't affect storm shields though, so sword and board is now 2+/4++

Though they do, effectively, reduce all AP against them by 1.

That's nice.

Wait, ignore me, I think I'm remembering the rule wrong, not with my codex right now

 mrhappyface wrote:
Wait, ignore me, I think I'm remembering the rule wrong, not with my codex right now

The general rule is "Improve Invuln saves by one point, to a max of 4++."

I think you got it right-you just might've missed that Storm Shields are now 4++ and +1 to armor saves, not just a 4++.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Wait, ignore me, I think I'm remembering the rule wrong, not with my codex right now

The general rule is "Improve Invuln saves by one point, to a max of 4++."

I think you got it right-you just might've missed that Storm Shields are now 4++ and +1 to armor saves, not just a 4++.

I thought 3++ was the cap?

Does this mean SOS flamer units now get a 12" flamer? So a squad of 10 of them can be Golden lighted to 9" out? Or do they still not get access to out strats?

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does this mean SOS flamer units now get a 12" flamer? So a squad of 10 of them can be Golden lighted to 9" out? Or do they still not get access to out strats?

They don't have the right keywords do they?

 mrhappyface wrote:

I thought 3++ was the cap?

The Emperor's Chosen improves all Invulns (not just Aegis Invulns) to a maximum of a 3++. This is a flat buff for sword and board Custodians.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Wait, ignore me, I think I'm remembering the rule wrong, not with my codex right now

The general rule is "Improve Invuln saves by one point, to a max of 4++."

I think you got it right-you just might've missed that Storm Shields are now 4++ and +1 to armor saves, not just a 4++.

I thought 3++ was the cap?

...

Let me check my Dex.

Checked! And yes, it is max of 3++!

So Storm Shield Guardians got better. 2+/3++, ignoring AP-1 pretty much.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does this mean SOS flamer units now get a 12" flamer? So a squad of 10 of them can be Golden lighted to 9" out? Or do they still not get access to out strats?

They don't have the right keywords do they?

Sisters cannot be teleported in with FGLTC. They can be brought on via Strategic Reserves.

Also I am really glad to see all their melee options remained D1. Those early leaks of flat 3 damage options and flat 2 damage swords/mauls scared the hell out of me.

Right, so panic over, Custodes have not been nerfed!

Although a Baneblade with 10HBsl, might now be a better plan than 10 Heavy Flamers? That would be an ugly thing to try and take down no matter the force.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also I am really glad to see all their melee options remained D1. Those early leaks of flat 3 damage options and flat 2 damage swords/mauls scared the hell out of me.

The only multi damage melee weapons shown off in datasheets were the Power Fist, Relic Blade, MC Sword, Chainfist and Thunder Hammer. Basic axes, swords and mauls were never going to D2.

Would like to see a few of our d3 weapons get flat values.

Would it be too That Guyish to bring a ShadowSword/Custodes List to a local Meta? I have never been able to field this thing once. I bought it just to build it and paint it, and it's just sitting on my book case. But I would love to Break out Zappy in a list of Custodian Shield guards, Captains with shield, and bikes.