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yes, which is why im fine with our standard 40mm infantry not gaining an extra wound.

The only models that could use extra wounds atm are the aquillon termies (+1 no points change) and calidius grav tanks (+2 no points change).

What i'd really want from our new codex is for our melee weapons to be reworked, our dreads to get the permanent -1 damage ability, our LR get a 5++, and wardens to go up to a 5+++ permanently.

We could also use some points revisions (why does a guardian blade cost 7 points and the spear cost 5 for a better weapon profile?).

Vexilla are overcosted atm too. they all need about a 20pt drop tbh..

Brass eye wrote:
I am hoping not too much. I cant see how you can make units much more expensive and still keep it viable to build an army with. Making troops over 60 points a model for example, will just be too much to make them workable as a unit.

Yes but GW even said that they wanted "Armies to be smaller to make games quicker and building them easier!" They can increased the points across everything aside from a few. Even Custodes got points increases (albeit small oneS) but it was enough to make us go from like 30 to like 22 units. Now ad in FW which is notorious for fething up everything (Blight Drone) and you get custodes losing a Telemon and dropping to like 19-20 models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvv14xVrYoM

Its up on youtube.


Saggitarum guards bolter profile went to damage 2.

Aquillons fist went to flat 2 damage, and the claw got the +1 attack treatment. No extra wound though. They also got a points drop on the flamers and their base cost.

Flamers all went up to 12".

Fist telemon got buffed. 12 range on its plasma flamers and +1 attack per fist. This thing now can get 7 attacks and has the -1damage permanently on. Its also got a points drop for everything cept the storm cannons.

Bombs on the ares got changed to "Pick a point and all units take D3 mortal wounds on a 4+ (-1 to the roll for vehicles and characters).

pallas droped a few points.

Its looking good for custodes

Not only that but achillus and galatus have droped 1 wound to 9 (or 2 in the achillus I cannot se it clearly) so they no longer degrade!

These are the changes that i spotted.
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvv14xVrYoM


Custodian Guard Squad with Adrasite and Pyrithite Spears:
Pyrithite spear got the new melta rule and went from 0 to 5points
Got the core keyword

Sagitarum
bolt volly goes from 1D per shot to 2D per shot
Got the core keyword

Aquilon
the fist went from 5 to 0 points so 75ppm with fist
Twin Adrathic Destructor went from 15 to 10 points
Aquillons fist went to flat 2 damage, and the claw got the +1 attack treatment.
Got the core keyword

Galatus
is 170ppm instead of 175
got the new minus 1 damage ability like all the marine dreads
flamer has 12" range now
has 5 attacks instead of 4
went down to 9 wounds and no longer have a damage table
Got the core keyword

Achillus
Twin Adrathic Destructor went from 15 to 10 points
got the new minus 1 damage ability like all the marine dreads
flamer has 12" range now
has 5 attacks instead of 4
lost the MW on charge
spears shooting is 3Dmg instead of D3Dmg
went down to 9 wounds and no longer have a damage table
Got the core keyword

Agamatus
went down from 100ppm to 95ppm
Twin las-pilser is 15 instead of 30 points
Got the core keyword

Venatari
Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler down 5 point so 0
bucklers give 2+ instead of ignore ap
Got the core keyword

Pallas
went down from 105 to 95
lost its Gravitic Backwash but still has the fly keyword

Caladius
lost its Gravitic Backwash but still has the fly keyword

Telemon
got the new minus 1 damage ability like all the marine dreads
went to 260 points but all war gear is 0 points except for the storm cannon which 15 per cannon so still 290 with two
flamer has 12" range now
he spiculus no longer shoots twice, you just change the profile to heavy 10 if you didn't move. we also lose the overwatch bit


Coronus Grav-Carrier
now 15 points cheaper 250 instead of 265
lost its Gravitic Backwash but still has the fly keyword

Orion
no changes

Ares
went from 430 to 450 points
the bomb ability is way different now:
"Once per turn after the bearer has moved you can select on point on the battle field the bearer has moved across roll a D6 for each unit in within 6" of that point (substract 1 if that model is a non VEHICLE or non MONSTER CHARACTER) on a 4+ that model suffers D3 mortal wounds."

here my thoughts:
i don't get why the Bolt cannon is still at 1 dmg and a heavy bolter has 2 dmg...
we don't have a strat for the back wash so it is gone completly

yeah telemon is 260 with any weapon combo cept for storm cannons, which you have to pay for. And you get +1 attack per ceastus, so +2 for double now.

Love the change to the firebombs on the ares. It was so situationally useful or a dud before. Now you can use it every game and it should do something. Also, it becomes a mortal wound generator againgst castles, which we lacked before. You can enter hover mode on turn 2 and basically drop it anywhere within 10" then fly back to where you were. Really makes it an amazing tool.

I dont know how I feel about the galatus still being S7....yeah, he got one more attack which is nice, but the sword being S user is still dumb.

The achillus losing his MW on charge ability is also dumb.

Both the achillus and galatus losing the dmg table is nice though.

I dont know if anyone noticed, but they buffed the venatari lance. It is now flat 2dmg instead of D3 dmg and each time the bearer fights he makes 1 additional attack. Thats....not bad at all I think.

Oh and I think the telemon went down to 4 attacks base. So thats a small nerf as well.

Edit: Nvm my comment about the telemon, with the new rules for the fists he gets the same amount of attacks, I just misread that. Also, since the venatari lance is now flat 2 dmg, I think guardian spears going to flat 2 dmg in our 9th ed codex is pretty likely.

Yeah, we have heavely buffed in nearly all respects.

Just look at the SM Leviathan to see how things could have gone. I'm very glad with this.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, we have heavely buffed in nearly all respects.

Just look at the SM Leviathan to see how things could have gone. I'm very glad with this.

The Levi dread drop to T7 WS/BS 3+ and to 16 shots S7 -1AP 2D with two storm cannons
5++ instead of 4++ It's ~100 points cheaper too but man what a nerf

really glad Telemon is still good. i think i will play him with 1 fist now because the he is 275 with 1 fist and a storm cannon instead of 295 and has 5 attacks always minus -1 damage

Agamatus
went down from 100ppm to 95ppm
Twin las-pilser is 15 instead of 30 points
Got the core keyword

This, this is win right here.

Did anyone see if the melee profile of the Adrasite Spears was changed? That would let us know if our normal spears/swords will

Oh my god...thank you forgeworld you didin't destroy my hopes and dreams T_T my sagittarum guard aren't gak! That being said how are the FW spear upgrades? I'm thinking of fielding my like 6 custode guard with them?

All SM/CSM FW dreads got shafted. Custodes FW got buffed.

Sagitarii going to D2 on their rifles is tasty as hell.

Audustum wrote:

Agamatus
went down from 100ppm to 95ppm
Twin las-pilser is 15 instead of 30 points
Got the core keyword

This, this is win right here.

Did anyone see if the melee profile of the Adrasite Spears was changed? That would let us know if our normal spears/swords will

the spears melee profil is still the same sadly.

https://www.goonhammer.com/9th-edition-imperial-armour-compendium-the-goonhammer-review/

Nothing new from the YouTube, just a different format.

So, what I infer by these changes for the non forgeworld army. Our damage is getting simplified to 2 for everything, we aren't getting more wounds. And thas it outside points tweaks.


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An aside, ares lists are gonna struggle hard against hordes with the bomb change. I'm on the opinion the bomb change is a nerf overall since it gives us tools we already do already with while taking away a tool we have more trouble fitting into the list.

But it depends on the meta, as goonhammer noted.

 nordsturmking wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Agamatus
went down from 100ppm to 95ppm
Twin las-pilser is 15 instead of 30 points
Got the core keyword

This, this is win right here.

Did anyone see if the melee profile of the Adrasite Spears was changed? That would let us know if our normal spears/swords will

the spears melee profil is still the same sadly.

That's a bad warning bell. It means there's decent odds our melee profiles don't change either.

On the other hand, Aquilon fist made flat 2. So conflicting signals.

If axes don't go to flat 2 then Aqiullons just took a lead in the "popping big targets" battle. Then again I don't see how you can't claim that clawwed up Aquillons with fire pikes aren't the best for clearing hordes in our entire faction now either. Then again if you are wasting your aquillons on clearing hordes you are missing something big.

I can and will claim that bikes with hurricane bolters are better for horde clearing.

I’m really liking the agamatus point costs, and 2+ on the Venetari means that you can run a pretty well-rounded list that is all T5, 2+, 4++(or better) and ignores AP-1 thanks to the terminator strat and new storm shields. Another thing to note is that almost everything barring tanks, flyers, and the telemon is core, meaning that when our auras change most stuff still gets re-rolls. That said, I’m not reading too much into statlines at this point, my personal hunch is that Custodes (or Talons) codex is probably close to a year away and the probably not even been thought out yet. If they change stuff there, FAQs are easy.

I must admit the new Venetari rules make me want to get a set, but with everything else, what size units are best?

The Telemon seems very broken to me at that cost with those buffs.

I am seriously considering running a 6 man squad of venatari, 3 guys with pistols and 3 with lances, because I think the melee potential of the lances is nothing to be sniffed at.

I also have to agree with what seems to be the general consensus that the telemon is even better now, which is obviiously really nice. FW custodes gonna be sold out....

Tiberias wrote:
I am seriously considering running a 6 man squad of venatari, 3 guys with pistols and 3 with lances, because I think the melee potential of the lances is nothing to be sniffed at.

I also have to agree with what seems to be the general consensus that the telemon is even better now, which is obviiously really nice. FW custodes gonna be sold out....

on the US site the Custodes have been sold out for ~2 months aside from pieces like the spears or weapons or Sagittarum. I have had Telemon on my list for like 4 months and nothing so far.

And the UK is going back into lockdown, so don't expect their backlogs to clear up with any rapidity.

Sags can be easily kitbashed or "played as" though, that I'm not really worried about. But Venetari are more difficult.

Btw, anyone who thinks the new bombs on the ares are worse should really reconsider.

It's far more useful now. I hardly ever used it to get max dice before but now i can consistantly get some use from it every turn of the game.

It also really makes your opponent move how you want him too, which is the actual strength of the ares.

If this has been covered I apologize in advance, but how does our -1dmg strat for our dreadnoughts work now that our dreads have permanent duty eternal? If I pop the strat for a dreadnought, will the damage be reduced by 2 now?

Tiberias wrote:
If this has been covered I apologize in advance, but how does our -1dmg strat for our dreadnoughts work now that our dreads have permanent duty eternal? If I pop the strat for a dreadnought, will the damage be reduced by 2 now?

It is useless on the FW dreads now.

From the war of the spider FAQ:

Page 38 – Ancient ArtificeChange this Stratagem to read:
‘Use this Stratagem when an Adeptus Custodes Dreadnought model
from your army is chosen as the target for an attack. Until the end of
the phase, when resolving an attack made against that model, you can
reduce any damage suffered by 1, to a minimum of 1
(this is not cumulative with any other rules that reduce the damage).’

You can find the FAQ here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/cE1e4hDb3HPP8ECc.pdf

 nordsturmking wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
If this has been covered I apologize in advance, but how does our -1dmg strat for our dreadnoughts work now that our dreads have permanent duty eternal? If I pop the strat for a dreadnought, will the damage be reduced by 2 now?

It is use less on the FW dreads now.

From the war of the spider FAQ:

Page 38 – Ancient ArtificeChange this Stratagem to read:
‘Use this Stratagem when an Adeptus Custodes Dreadnought model
from your army is chosen as the target for an attack. Until the end of
the phase, when resolving an attack made against that model, you can
reduce any damage suffered by 1, to a minimum of 1
(this is not cumulative with any other rules that reduce the damage).’

You can find the FAQ here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/cE1e4hDb3HPP8ECc.pdf

Thanks a lot, didn't remember that ancient artifice had a clause that stated its effect is not cumulative.

My main problem with the Ares is still the cost. In an extremely low model count army, we are still dumping a quarter of our entire force for a coked up Thunderhawk. I would have rather we see some form of cheap transport if we see anything.