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 Primark G wrote:
Eldar is one of the more elite armies, every unit is highly specialized. They are very well rounded too.

Eldar are only an elite army if you make the conscious choice to make them so. Guardians are a good soaable infantry squad, they have a couple cheap spammable characters, and good spammable vehicles

Every competitive eldar army I have seen is elite. I guess you can spam guardians and Avengers but why would you?

 Primark G wrote:
Every competitive eldar army I have seen is elite. I guess you can spam guardians and Avengers but why would you?

Except the ones using guardian bombs. Count the models for the top top eldar lists

Two Guardian squads doesn't make an army not elite plus they are fairly elite for a troop choice.

Ahh, the thread will be better now.

Haven't had to use this feature in a very long time.

Anyone have any upcoming GTs/RTTs? Any of you taking Bananas to the London Grand Tournament?

What are your lists looking like lately?

I haven't made any changes to my list. I have a couple of local tournaments this month as well.

Pure Custodes? A lot of people at London are taking a Supreme Command Custodes detachment with three bike captains.

In my last game my 6 man biker unit shot and attacked in my first turn. And then my opponent shot them off the table in his 1. turn. How do you keep you bikes from getting deleted? Should i may be teleport them?

I will be playing in a soup free tournament where every datasheet can only be taken once except for troops. No forge world is allowed. And you have to take a battalion. the whole army has to be from 1 Codex. This is my current list

termi captain
biker captain

3x3 guard

1 vexilla magnifica

1x9 bikes 7 with bolter 2 with salvo launcher

Do you think a 9 man biker unit is good? Or is it just to big and impractical and not as good as a smaller one? I am also thinking about taking 3 bikes out and putting 3 termis in.

I think I will teleport the bikes. So I am not sure if I need the Vexilla.

What do you think?

Ah, I run them as an ally. They account for around 40% of my total points. I think form a purely competitive PoV just taking the three Shield-Captains is the best choice.


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Tbh I don't think a 9-man biker squad is all that good. If you run a Vexilla you'll probably want the terminator Praetor.

Skhmt wrote:
Pure Custodes? A lot of people at London are taking a Supreme Command Custodes detachment with three bike captains.

Oh, No. Pure isn't a thing. I'm not even a little curious about that.

 nordsturmking wrote:
In my last game my 6 man biker unit shot and attacked in my first turn. And then my opponent shot them off the table in his 1. turn. How do you keep you bikes from getting deleted? Should i may be teleport them?

I will be playing in a soup free tournament where every datasheet can only be taken once except for troops. No forge world is allowed. And you have to take a battalion. the whole army has to be from 1 Codex. This is my current list

termi captain
biker captain

3x3 guard

1 vexilla magnifica

1x9 bikes 7 with bolter 2 with salvo launcher

Do you think a 9 man biker unit is good? Or is it just to big and impractical and not as good as a smaller one? I am also thinking about taking 3 bikes out and putting 3 termis in.

I think I will teleport the bikes. So I am not sure if I need the Vexilla.

What do you think?

I would split the bike unit. into 2-3 units. Exactly because of what you experienced. Hitting multiple points of his army limits his retaliation.

Also pure Custodes will never be 'good'. To expensive to get the bodies on the table

He can only take Vetrus Praetors in one unit.

"I will be playing in a soup free tournament where every datasheet can only be taken once except for troops."

Woops missed that.

Well then your fethed.

He will be okay the restrictions apply to all armies.

There's a London GT list with a big biker bomb and 2 normal bike squads. Honestly, lots of London lists are opting for an Outrider detachment of bikes.

I think 3 squads of Bikes and a Captain is definitely much better than bokting on 3 Captains unless you're deadset on both being a majority Custodes force. 970 on the Outrider gets you 43 wounds and like 41 attacks at the bike profile, plus 60 Bolter shots (120 in Rapid Fire).

As for my lists, taking a battalion of AdMech with 2-3 Onagers is really good so far, but I've been trying to tweak it. The Onagers have a hard time with high T models with invuln saves like Tesseract Vaults and Mortarion, which we're starting to see more of.

Second game ever with Custodes, really enjoying them.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/756210.page#9959926

I doubt that bike spam will win London GT.

Admech is a good ally for Custodes honestly and a better choice than IG if you can get a decent amount of CPs. I was watching a game last nite - Nick Brown was running Admech and IG, but just the bike-cpts... crushed a Ynnari list handily.

"I used 3CP to charge his Razorwing with my Captain and did 4W."

@ Mr HF

Did you feel the low damage was bad dice?

 Primark G wrote:
"I used 3CP to charge his Razorwing with my Captain and did 4W."

@ Mr HF

Did you feel the low damage was bad dice?

The thing about playing an army that has WS/BS2+ and Av2+ is that you do really notice when you roll 1s... And Jesus did I roll a lot of 1s. I think I would have swept through him much quicker if it wasn't for the fact that I rolled so poorly. Then again, there were quite a few instances of his Lances rolling 1s to hit, even with re-rolls. Honestly, it was some of the most shockingly poor rolling I've seen in a game in a while.

Then again, for the Razorwing charge at least, the average damage is only 5 so I didn't do too bad there.

I was surprised because I haven't had any problems versus Razorwings (shouldn't the average damage be 6 wounds?) but bad dice does happen... anyway glad you like your list!

Actually, my Maths was off:
5*(35/36)*(28/36)*(2/3)*(5/6)*2 = 4

4 * d3 DMG ?

He had a *2 in there, representing the d3.

Not that great.

By my calculations typically all five attacks hit but lets say four for EZ math - 2 wound then another on the reroll which is 3 total times d3 is 6. I am an engineer so please excuse my being practical in this exercise.

 Primark G wrote:
Not that great.

By my calculations typically all five attacks hit but lets say four for EZ math - 2 wound then another on the reroll which is 3 total times d3 is 6. I am an engineer so please excuse my being practical in this exercise.

I am an Engineer in training and I would suggest that approximate maths is the kind of thing that causes bridges to collapse and, more importantly, get slightly off values for mathhammer.

Either way, you're not taking the Razorwing's invul into account with your maths.

Good engineers know when to make assumptions - good luck with it.


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Does the invul work in melee I’m not sure.

 Primark G wrote:
Good engineers know when to make assumptions - good luck with it.

You make assumptions when it would otherwise be too difficult to compute or when you can't know the exact values. But thanks anyway, only a few more, long, years to go.

Does the invul work in melee I’m not sure.

Aye, you're right there; he shouldn't have gotten his invul save.

Ah it seems my math is better.

 Primark G wrote:
Ah it seems my math is better.

Technicalities.

Keep practicing it always pays off. .D

I think pure bikes was better when you could MSU them; now they are still good but it’s easier to dedicate all your firepower into a single squad. I think 3xshield captains is looking a lot better than I it was when I dismissed it before the FAQ.