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**Tannhauser42**

Chikout wrote:
Why does everyone assume it will be just one floor? They could have the shop on the first floor, a cafe/ display area on the second floor and a gaming space on the third floor. 4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

Because here, in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, standard retail spaces aren't built like that.
GW would have to design and construct their own building if they wanted it to have more than one floor.

**Galas**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Why does everyone assume it will be just one floor? They could have the shop on the first floor, a cafe/ display area on the second floor and a gaming space on the third floor. 4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

Because here, in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, standard retail spaces aren't built like that.
GW would have to design and construct their own building if they wanted it to have more than one floor.

I assume thats because horizontal space is cheaper than vertical space?

**skarsol**

Chikout wrote:
Why does everyone assume it will be just one floor? They could have the shop on the first floor, a cafe/ display area on the second floor and a gaming space on the third floor. 4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

Square footage numbers are usable space. A two story building with 3000 square feet is 1500 ft2 per floor.

**Ghaz**

Chikout wrote:
4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

No. It almost always indicates the total square footage (in this case, most likely the entire 'public' area).

**Chikout**

skarsol wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Why does everyone assume it will be just one floor? They could have the shop on the first floor, a cafe/ display area on the second floor and a gaming space on the third floor. 4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

Square footage numbers are usable space. A two story building with 3000 square feet is 1500 ft2 per floor.

I see. I guess this place will only be three times as big as my house then. I wonder how many gaming tables they will have. 10?
Do we have a timetable for this? I'm guessing it won't be open for at a few months yet.
I hope this is a success and expands globally, especially here in Japan where we don't have much gaming space at home and there isn't really a tournament scene.

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skarsol wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Why does everyone assume it will be just one floor? They could have the shop on the first floor, a cafe/ display area on the second floor and a gaming space on the third floor. 4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

Square footage numbers are usable space. A two story building with 3000 square feet is 1500 ft2 per floor.

I see. I guess this place will only be three times as big as my house then. I wonder how many gaming tables they will have. 10?
Do we have a timetable for this? I'm guessing it won't be open for at a few months yet.
I hope this is a success and expands globally, especially here in Japan where we don't have much gaming space at home and there isn't really a tournament scene.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Hulksmash wrote:
ChargerIIC wrote:
Damn. it'd be cheaper to fly to london than to fly to Grapevine, Texas. It's not even close to any of the major W40k scenes outside of maybe the Dallas one.

From where? Honest question because I've never flown to DFW for more than $300 and I've never made it to europe for less than $700.

I assume we're talking about from New Delhi no?

**DouglasJB**

Chikout wrote:
skarsol wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Why does everyone assume it will be just one floor? They could have the shop on the first floor, a cafe/ display area on the second floor and a gaming space on the third floor. 4000 square feet just means the footprint doesn't it?

Square footage numbers are usable space. A two story building with 3000 square feet is 1500 ft2 per floor.

I see. I guess this place will only be three times as big as my house then. I wonder how many gaming tables they will have. 10?
Do we have a timetable for this? I'm guessing it won't be open for at a few months yet.
I hope this is a success and expands globally, especially here in Japan where we don't have much gaming space at home and there isn't really a tournament scene.

Definitely not for a while.
The General Manager job listing does not close until 20 Feb.
If they get a pool of suitable candidates, it will take another 3-4 weeks minimum to get down to the one.
Then the one has to get a pool of suitable candidates to work for the one in the W-Cafe.
That pool then has to be distilled down to the necessary workers.

At the same time, is this outlet going to be put into an existing facility?
Do they already have a place contracted out if this is the case?
Or will they build to suit?
Do they have a property picked out already for this possibility?
This all could add a month or several to the process.

Then once these two are dealt with then the fixtures must be placed and then the stocking must be done.
That could be weeks or even months in and of itself?
Depends how much of the event/sales floor planning is already completed.

I think Christmas Season '18 will be the Grand Opening.

**Tannhauser42**

DouglasJB wrote:

At the same time, is this outlet going to be put into an existing facility?
Do they already have a place contracted out if this is the case?
Or will they build to suit?
Do they have a property picked out already for this possibility?
This all could add a month or several to the process.

To announce a locality as specific as Grapevine suggests they already have the location already picked.

**oni**

mace_ace wrote:Why does anyone think that this is a destination, and that it has to serve the purpose of being a destination? It's a game store that will sell pastries and coffee. Big deal if it isn't in your neighborhood. It clearly seems like a pilot that they'll roll out to other places if successful. Settle down people.

Because that's exactly how GW advertised it. I suggest you carefully read their posting regarding the Cafe on the Warhammer Community site.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/31/incoming-warhammer-cafegw-homepage-post-1/

Kriswall wrote:Let's call a duck a duck. Games Workshop's US retail operations are run out of Dallas, Texas. The cafe's location is just outside of Dallas. They're building it close to home as an experiment they can easily keep tabs on. If it's successful, maybe we'll see more in other areas. I'm curious to see how it does. The idea of food/beer with a game is appealing, but I'll pick an FLGS that hosts a wide array of gaming options over a GW shop any day of the week.

Last I knew GW's North American HQ is in Memphis, TN, not TX.

**Ulfhednar_42**

oni wrote:

Kriswall wrote:Let's call a duck a duck. Games Workshop's US retail operations are run out of Dallas, Texas. The cafe's location is just outside of Dallas. They're building it close to home as an experiment they can easily keep tabs on. If it's successful, maybe we'll see more in other areas. I'm curious to see how it does. The idea of food/beer with a game is appealing, but I'll pick an FLGS that hosts a wide array of gaming options over a GW shop any day of the week.

Last I knew GW's North American HQ is in Memphis, TN, not TX.

Their retail operations are run out of Dallas (Irving technically which is basically 'down the road' from Grapevine.)

**DouglasJB**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
DouglasJB wrote:

At the same time, is this outlet going to be put into an existing facility?
Do they already have a place contracted out if this is the case?
Or will they build to suit?
Do they have a property picked out already for this possibility?
This all could add a month or several to the process.

To announce a locality as specific as Grapevine suggests they already have the location already picked.

Or, having worked in city government, it can only mean that a deal concerning utilities, taxes and so forth has been done with the city board/commission/whatever they have locally.
Some municipalities give businesses some sweet deals to make sure they build or lease within their limits, sometimes years before they actually do any business with the public, just to make sure they do not go elsewhere..

**Popsghostly**

Wow. Surprised by Dallas. Thought it would be any of Baltimore, Memphis or Chicago, all GW hubs.

Guess it gives an excuse to hit up Texas for a road trip.

**Breotan**

Popsghostly wrote:
Guess it gives an excuse to hit up Texas for a road trip.

Why? I mean, unless there are exclusives like you see at Warhammer World, having a GW employee pour your coffee isn't worth the price of gas.

Now if you were already planning a road trip that went through Dallas, I could see making a pit stop there just for fun.

**Popsghostly**

Breotan wrote:
Popsghostly wrote:
Guess it gives an excuse to hit up Texas for a road trip.

Why? I mean, unless there are exclusives like you see at Warhammer World, having a GW employee pour your coffee isn't worth the price of gas.

Now if you were already planning a road trip that went through Dallas, I could see making a pit stop there just for fun.

It would make a good story lol. Why did you make the 16 hour trip to Dallas? Games Workshop Cafe!!! If they go overboard with theming like Disney or Las Vegas, I can already imagine servers wearing cadian uniforms and wych outfits.

**godardc**

I thought a feet was 0.30m ? So 4000² feet would be like 4000*0.30m = 1 200m² ? So more than 1km² ?

**timd**

Chikout wrote:
You guys are all crazy. 4000 square feet is bloody massive. You could fit my house into it 7 times! If the venue has two floors you could comfortably fit in 40 or so gaming tables.

4000 square feet is a medium sized Texas house...

T

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Here are a few distances to Grapevine for our Euro cousins to compare to European distances.

New York City: 1600 miles, 2600km, 4 hour flight
Los Angeles: 1400 miles, 2250km, 3 hour flight
Chicago: 1000miles, 1600km, 2:15 flight
Even Memphis isn't that close: 500 miles, 800 km

T

**Ulfhednar_42**

godardc wrote:
I thought a feet was 0.30m ? So 4000² feet would be like 4000*0.30m = 1 200m² ? So more than 1km² ?

There are 3.28 feet in a meter.

3.28 ^2 is 10.7584

There are 10.7584 square feet in a square meter, 4000 square feet is about 372 square meters.

**XuQishi**

I thought a feet was 0.30m ? So 4000² feet would be like 4000*0.30m = 1 200m² ? So more than 1km² ?

Your math is off

. 1 m² is slightly less than 11 sqft (3x3 squares of 30.5cm x 30.5cm plus some rest).
1km² is not 1000m², but 1 million m² - 1000m x 1000m

**AndrewGPaul**

godardc wrote:
I thought a feet was 0.30m ? So 4000² feet would be like 4000*0.30m = 1 200m² ? So more than 1km² ?

A linear foot is 0.305m. a square foot is (0.305 x 0.305) = 0.093 square metres. Likewise, a square kilometre is (1000 metres) squared, not 1000 (metres squared).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

One wonders if they’re starting smaller, with a view to upsizing if it works out well enough?

I mean, shop floor space is a premium, yes? Perhaps they’re looking to see if the Café side of things can support itself first?

Because Warhammer World was different. It wasn’t a ‘let’s have a big gaming hall’. Instead, they were relocating their entire HQ. Management, studio, everyone. When you need that level of space, was the addition of WW and Bugman’s more a ‘and we could do that?’ Who knows? Not I.

Perhaps they intend to hire larger facilities for big events, and use the Café as a unique feature over other large tournaments?

**Davespil**

Why is GW going back to Grapevine? They closed the store in the Grapevine Mills Mall a few years ago. So I guess they wanna fill in the void? The FLGS Area 51 did close its doors two years ago, and other than that dude Sam no one else moved in there. I don't play in GW stores but I'd swing by to check it out when it gets built. Not sure I want to go to a 'cafe' though. Their food will probably be meh and very over priced. If they want to get more people to swing by maybe have some FW models for sale there. Now that would be something!

**EnTyme**

Breotan wrote:
Popsghostly wrote:
Guess it gives an excuse to hit up Texas for a road trip.

Why? I mean, unless there are exclusives like you see at Warhammer World, having a GW employee pour your coffee isn't worth the price of gas.

Now if you were already planning a road trip that went through Dallas, I could see making a pit stop there just for fun.

You're a little too focused on the "Cafe" portion of the title. The press release implies this will be a GW store that also happens to have a cafe in it. They way they're promoting it, I can't imagine them not holding events here.

**DouglasJB**

Davespil wrote:
... . If they want to get more people to swing by maybe have some FW models for sale there. Now that would be something!

Hear, hear!
I would love a local store that carried Forge World products.
FLGS says the terms Forge World demands of retailers are frightfully unreasonable, and he is a really nice guy who runs a ship-shape shoppe.

**Ghaz**

From Warhammer Community:

Name the Warhammer Cafe!

That’s right – the forthcoming Warhammer Cafe needs, nae deserves(!) a name change, and we need your help to find one that is suitably epic.

You see, since we announced the Warhammer Cafe, the response has been absolutely incredible and the team responsible for bringing the venue to life have gotten more than a little carried away with their plans for Warhammer’s new spiritual home in North America…

While most of the details are still locked away in a warded stasis vault, what’s clear is that it’s destined to be far more than just a place where you can grab a coffee while you pick up your next hobby project (although that’s a pretty cool feature in and of itself!).

So, we figured that the Warhammer Cafe needed a new name, one more suited to its impending awesomeness.

And who better than you to help us choose? There’s no way we’d be building this new home for the Warhammer hobby in North America if there wasn’t such a dedicated community there to support it. This venue really is for you, and it’s only fitting you have your say in its moniker.

In order to keep construction on track, we need to have the name locked down by Monday. So you’ve just 24 hours to have your say, giving us the weekend to pour over your suggestions and choose the new name for the venue previously called the Warhammer Cafe!

Have at it…

Make sure you check back on Monday to find out under what name the venue shall hence force stand tall*.

*Larger sizes of beverage will also be available.

Vote on the Warhammer Community website.

**Daedalus81**

I voted to name it "The Warhammer Modeling Agency".

I don't think it will win.

**EnTyme**

White Scarbuck's

**BobtheInquisitor**

Adeptus Baristas

The Skim Dark Cafe

There is Only War and Noshes

Coffee Clash

**infinite_array**

Cafehammer

**godardc**

Cafy mcCafeFace

**Dynas**

Went with Segmentum Grapvine. That way when they build more its easy naming conventions. Probably wont win though.