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I never stopped collecting the miniatures, but I haven't played religiously since 3rd Edition. Every couple years I bust out the original WH40k:RT rulebook and thumb through it and, while there were lots of bad ideas, I'm still amazed at all the cool ideas that fell by the wayside.I saw the Repulsor and thought "Hey, this is a move in the right direction! Looks way cooler than Rick Priestley's "Grav Attack Tank" deodorant bottle".

Is there anything you wish they'd bring back, or an idea you liked that never made it to Production? Here's my wish list off the top of my head:

1. Zoats (Hard to find those Dragon Ogre bodies...)
2. Imperial Jetbikes (Yeah, the Custodes have them, but the Space Marines and IG used to have them as well)
3. IG assault squads
4. Power Shield options for IG and SM assault squads (No, Storm Shields are different.)
5. Power Field generators
6. Conversion Fields and Displacer Fields
7. And what list like this would be complete without Squats?

Stuff I'm glad they got rid of:
1. Temporal Distort
2. "Hiding" rules
3. Stupid-looking Dark Eldar
4. Rules for throwing rocks
5. Anti-Plant grenades

Stuff I'm glad never went 'into Production':
1. Slaan
2. Mutants (Cool idea, but the d1000 charts were a nightmare)
3. Psychic Ogryns

I'm sure I got more, but I have to get back to work. Let me know what you wish they'd bring back.

I never played in the real oldhammer days, but I started in 3rd edition when a lot of older models were still available by order, or for cheap on eBay. TBH... I think that GW has just about pumped the nostalgia well dry. Genestealer cults and Harlequins are great, and bringing back lots of little things like conversion beamers and Shokk Attack gun has been cool. For me, the only really old thing that I'd like back is more of a concept than anything specific, and it's the squats. Looking at what they did with the Overlords, I really think gW could knock sci-fi dwarves out of the park now.

Maxim C. Gatling wrote:
3. Stupid-looking Dark Eldar

I remember when I first started, the demo sets were SM versus DE. Man what a glorious time. I liked the older hunchback-looking Necrons better than the current ones.

Back under the RT days I really liked Zoats, Squats and I always wanted them to make Slann a full army.

vortex grenades, Zoats (tau auxiliary), a Rogue Trader model and retinue, SQUAAAAAAAAAAAAAATS!

Well looted wagons for starters. Look, I'm not looking for a BS 5+ vehicle from another army, just make up some random stats like you did in 7th edition. Its absolutely ridiculous that is was removed for the orks, and saying 'just use it as a battlewagon' is ridiculous because of scale alone.

Some more wacky 'make your own models' type of stuff. Anyone remember the 40k creature feature where you could make your own aliens and plant life for your games? The chapter approved build your own land raider was not only restricting, but also lacking points (I dont expect to use it at LVO, GW, but most of us play point games in case the last 8 editions weren't any indication).

The old white dwarves were filled with custom characters, custom units, and custom armies. It really gave you some modeling freedom, and since most games are played with friends it didn't matter if stats were either too good or too bad. But we can't have that because then someone will use it in a tournament and it will be OP or something. I like that they give us new alternate missions and rules for their secondary games/board games, but literally NOTHING for 40k and Sigmar?

Also remove the stupid seize the initiative rule. We did fine without it. Literally nothing happens between finding out who goes first and seizing, so it has zero reason to be there.

Give Orks Pulsa Rokkits again, don't change the rules from 2nd at all, they'll be about as confusing as any other Ork weapons.

Would love to see Doomrider and World Eater / Emperor's Children lists from Slaves to Darkness. I liked the way Librarians and Apothecaries were used in those lists.

+1 for Looted Wagons. Those made Orks great for a long time.

I'm glad they got rid of Invisibility vis a vis 6th edition rules. It was just a way to hide a Daemon until it got to close to do anything about it. Crutch.

Harlequin powerfists.

Not seriously, but I own ~10 harlequin powerfist masters (because powerfists in 2nd ed just set your strength to 8, mitigating the harlequins' main weakness). They were gloriously silly looking. I use them as caresses, of course.

On a more serious note, I'd love for open/narrative play to re-introduce some rules for some of the skirmish-ier elements of play, like vehicles having crewmen that would die and rolling for component damage, having speeds etc. I loved dreadnoughts getting their arms and legs blown off, gunners getting sniped and the heroic driver setting the vehicle to hover while he clambered over to the turret...

Not saying there'd be any way to re-integrate that kind of stuff to the scale the games at now, but a revitalization of 2nd ed style rules into a skirmish ruleset would be amazing.

1) Old-style custodes needs to come back.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-15XdT9RrE9M/URJxHkPT3JI/AAAAAAAAAEM/jOjRbxLIEts/s1600/Adeptus_Custodes.JPG

Who needs power-armour when you can go to war in tight pants with nothing more?

2) Orks needs to have boar-riders, splatta-kannons, pulsa-rokkits, squig catapults and Ogryn back. Yes, Ogryn.

3) The eldar ultramarine librarian and grand inquisitor sherlock closeau NEEDS to be brought back.

4) Dark Eldar prisoners. What is a grimdark future without big-breasted women pointlessly wearing swimsuits?

I think looted wagons shouldn't be a thing, covers too many differant things, rather I'd like to see (admittingly it'd proably be open play rules) something for rules for Orks looting any vehicle. some sort of "do x, do y, ajust the PL by X"

To hit modifiers based on terrain. That is all.

Artificier armor for Space Marine characters and Initiative in general.

Pariahs, Necrons as elder god worshipping threats to the galaxy.

Exodites.

pismakron wrote:
1) Old-style custodes needs to come back.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-15XdT9RrE9M/URJxHkPT3JI/AAAAAAAAAEM/jOjRbxLIEts/s1600/Adeptus_Custodes.JPG

Who needs power-armour when you can go to war in tight pants with nothing more?

2) Orks needs to have boar-riders,splatta-kannons ,pulsa-rokkits, squig catapults and Ogryn back. Yes, Ogryn.

3) The eldar ultramarine librarian and grand inquisitor sherlock closeau NEEDS to be brought back.

4) Dark Eldar prisoners. What is a grimdark future without big-breasted women pointlessly wearing swimsuits?

splatta cannons kicked ass

A decent design team.

Armour facings. Non-weapon wargear options. Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. Knarlocs and Great Knarlocs.

I miss the wargear options characters used to get. Artificer armor, bionic limbs, etc. It let you feel like your character was really yours.

Would love some npc animals/beasts that came with terrain. Hell i wish they would reboot rogue trader

Forests you couldn't shoot through.

Porphyrius wrote:I miss the wargear options characters used to get. Artificer armor, bionic limbs, etc. It let you feel like your character was really yours.

Indeed! Hell, wargear options in general...

AnomanderRake wrote:Armour facings. Non-weapon wargear options.

Agreed.

Ugg displacer fields were so obnoxious.

I'd say the majority of ideas in 2nd edition - but then...that's why I still play a modified version of 2nd edition (and yes, I think I still prefer it to 8th).

However, 2nd edition is a game developed by true gamer geeks...without corporate interference or any real semblance of balance. It was still very much clinging to its more-RPG-esque roots. It made for incredibly thematic/storied games...but it required a more noticeable contract between players to get there.

There was no such thing as "rules as written" except for "that guy" in the occasionaly gaming group. It was far more based around a gentleman's agreement to have a fun/cool game.

-The Avatar (being made of molten metal) was immune to plasma/melta/flamers - though he had this in a few later editions.

-Daemons being summoned by crazy points acquired by Chaos characters/units (the coolest rule being that enemy models teleporting had a chance of showing up as a daemon when they arrived - that included Warp Spiders jumping around the board!)

-I really miss crew in vehicles. I think we all had that game where a lone crewmen was feverishly darting around inside a vehicle firing various weapons, etc...or the plucky small group of Guardsman who grabbed their laspistols and set out to fight after being dismounted.

-Wargear was definitely far more interesting (and easily abused).

-Morale being a bigger deal would be cool, seeing things like Fear and Terror return, but actually be worthwhile.

-Reducing armour penetration as range increases, that's a rule most people don't even know existed in 2nd edition, but adds a little bit of realism to the game.

-Paying for teleporting, meaning you could have Terminators for a more reasonable cost if you didn't buy them the gear to teleport.

-Bikes having a hit-and-run attack option

-Being able to dismount vehicles at speed if you're willing to risk dying/injury.

There are far more, but it's a rather useless topic - as the game has moved on. The scale and size of the game is 2-3x what I used to play in high school, if not more. It's no longer a borderline skirmish game, but a "fill the table with models" game.

Daedalus81 wrote:
Ugg displacer fields were so obnoxious.

That was the one that literally made your character jump about the place when making a save?

I loved Dark Millennium (the 2nd ed supplement) with all those wargear cards: bionics, digital lasers, combat drugs, targeters, special grenades, force fields. It brought huge balance issues with every Eldar force having a vortex grenade armed Swooping Hawk Exarch but what fun!

I suppose many of the psychic powers have survived since then and the strategy cards have recently been brought back with strategems so its legacy lives on!

Frag launchers as an alternative smoke launchers on vehicles.

The choices and variety which Chaos 3.5 afforded.

Make all the products available offline, make rules that require conversions, and roll the prices back to what they were 20 or more years ago.

No to the garbage that was armour facings, yes to more customization options for characters. Artificer Armour! Terminator Honors! Sergeants being able to buy Terminator Armour!

Terrain rules from 2-d and alternative activation from...9-th? 10-th? Never-th?