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Further one-liner (pointing out such to prevent confusion)

Get a grip.

The digital age is wonderful


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Can, can it just be Saturday? Like, now?


I’m enjoying the chat, and in multiple threads, but it’s no substitute for giving the Codex a damned good read in the pub!

Likewise. I want my codex NOAW! In the meantime, I will be getting my first Knight ready to go. Probably as a Mortan Errant or Paladin. Probably an Errant since I really just don't like the Paladin.

 mrhappyface wrote:

Suzuteo wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

415 with his Las-Impulsor, Reaper and 2 Stubbers.

Stubbers can be upgraded to Multi-lasers as well as (maybe?) Meltaguns and he can probably switch the Chainsword for the Gauntlet as usual.

He also grants re-roll 1s to nearby Armigers.

Ah. So he's steaming garbage that buffs mediocre units in a detachment that grants no CP? I mean, why would anyone take that over a Warden with Gauntlet?

Except the Helverin is disgustingly good and having 2 of them firing a total of 8d3 S7 shots re-rolling 1s and the Las Impulsor is no joke either. You could even throw on the relic fist and make him the house with +1 to hit to make your Precept even better.

Probably this is the intention.

You can get a Preceptor and 3 Helverins with the odd upgrade for about 1000 points, a Guard Battalion for 200 and you have another 800 for a Warden and an Errant/Gallant or something to fill one 3-big-Knight Detachment with the Preceptor in 2000 points.

If you want a Dominus, you'll probably need to drop a Helverin or the Guard (if you want to stick with 3 big Knights).

Sounds like a reasonable Knight list to have some fun with, as Knight lists go.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


How are you getting two stubbers on the Preceptor? It only has one slot for one, which can be exchanged for a Meltagun or a Multi-Laser.

The kit even just mounts the Las-Impulsor barrel to the same weapon shield as the Errant's Thermal Cannon.

Dunno. Maybe the info is wrong.

It's the rumour for you to read in the rumour section. I don't have the book.

It's not. I have the datasheet.


One Stubbers/Meltagun/Multi-Laser.

Does anyone know how much the multi-laser is in the codex? It's 10 in the AM codex but they only pay 8 for a heavy bolter, so maybe 12 points? If it's 10 points even my list could just squeeze that upgrade in.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Further one-liner (pointing out such to prevent confusion)

Get a grip.

The digital age is wonderful


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You’re under the thumb

I'll knock this out hand over fist

Let me give you a hand.

*Facepalm*
You guys are getting out of hand with these puns.

There's an end point, but I just can't put my finger on it.

So I read through this and I saw someone mention the super heavy auxiliary. If I take a single knight in the auxiliary detachment, it can still get a household, right? And with a strat, I can give it a warlord trait and relic?

For some reason, the way the previewers are phrasing this, I am a bit confused until I read it myself.

Rajah wrote:
So I read through this and I saw someone mention the super heavy auxiliary. If I take a single knight in the auxiliary detachment, it can still get a household, right? And with a strat, I can give it a warlord trait and relic?

For some reason, the way the previewers are phrasing this, I am a bit confused until I read it myself.

Yes to 2nds, 1st is not confirmed either way. If codex has no special mention then yes but it's POSSIBLE they have something similar to IG that specifically says no. But so far nobody with codex has(at least as far as I have been able to follow) said one way or another regarding that.

Rajah wrote:
So I read through this and I saw someone mention the super heavy auxiliary. If I take a single knight in the auxiliary detachment, it can still get a household, right? And with a strat, I can give it a warlord trait and relic?

For some reason, the way the previewers are phrasing this, I am a bit confused until I read it myself.

Well there comes answer to that. Seems auxiliary does NOT get tradition.

tneva82 wrote:
Well there comes answer to that. Seems auxiliary does NOT get tradition.

Exactly

Well that's a bummer. Seems that applies to freeblades as well :-/ Next I need to know if you can make all knights freeblade! If yes thats what I might go for just for laughs!

tneva82 wrote:
Well that's a bummer. Seems that applies to freeblades as well :-/ Next I need to know if you can make all knights freeblade! If yes thats what I might go for just for laughs!

What, to drive your opponent insane by all the dice rolling before play starts for determining their Qualities and Burdens, and all of the Leadership rolls?

It does seem like the only way to get quasi-Household benefits though in a SH Aux Detachment.

Oh damn. So one knight in a super heavy aux detachment gets use of stratagems... but can't be a character, can't take any relics and ndoesn't get a household benefit/freeblade quality

My lone knight has a sad face. Maybe I will not buy this book after all.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well that's a bummer. Seems that applies to freeblades as well :-/ Next I need to know if you can make all knights freeblade! If yes thats what I might go for just for laughs!

What, to drive your opponent insane by all the dice rolling before play starts for determining their Qualities and Burdens, and all of the Leadership rolls?

It does seem like the only way to get quasi-Household benefits though in a SH Aux Detachment.

3-4 models ain't that bad. Compare to orks that's easy! Timing wise I think my opponents prefer knights over orks ;-)

But what you mean by SH aux det? Freeblade is listed on that page so I assumed no solo freeblade either. though maybe THAT is odd from fluff...

Freeblades can never get the traditions anyway and seem to be the go-to option if you just want to include that one knight in your army. Otherwise, you are running knight + 2 armigers for cheapest house detachment possible even if that means not getting the CP for it.

So super heavy auxiliary - you need to take the Freeblade.

So that's possible? Seeing free blade was listed in page showing rules knight detachments excluding auxiliary gets I thought no freeblade either in aux det.

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well that's a bummer. Seems that applies to freeblades as well :-/ Next I need to know if you can make all knights freeblade! If yes thats what I might go for just for laughs!

What, to drive your opponent insane by all the dice rolling before play starts for determining their Qualities and Burdens, and all of the Leadership rolls?

It does seem like the only way to get quasi-Household benefits though in a SH Aux Detachment.

3-4 models ain't that bad. Compare to orks that's easy! Timing wise I think my opponents prefer knights over orks ;-)

But what you mean by SH aux det? Freeblade is listed on that page so I assumed no solo freeblade either. though maybe THAT is odd from fluff...

Yeah, I was exaggerating, but don't think for a second someone won't bitch and complain saying you are just trying to make the game take longer.

I guess I don't really know about SH Aux and Freeblades. I really want to know the answer as well for my Freeblade (Gerantius).

But you could take a lone Knight as a SH Aux Detachment and then use Exalted Court for 1 CP to make it a character and give it a warlord trait, then give it a relic for another 1 CP (or 0 CP if you haven't taken any others) as far as i understand?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Yeah, I was exaggerating, but don't think for a second someone won't bitch and complain saying you are just trying to make the game take longer.

I guess I don't really know about SH Aux and Freeblades. I really want to know the answer as well for my Freeblade (Gerantius).

Well I haven't had at least open hostility for playing with orks so I'm hopeful Maybe helps that I am clearly doing my best to speed up the game as much as I can. I don't spend tons of time thinking my actions nor do I do any weird(it's important moment so I roll these 10 saves one at a time) things. Well I CAN see cool factor on that and on casual no-time-limit situation I'm game for those(last sunday when my gorkanaut caused 10 wounds to GK grandmaster on his suit and he needed to fail 3 saves to die he rolled saves in pair. Didn't mind that and seeing it was 5vs5 apoc didn't even really slow down overall game so I had fun watching it as well) but when there's time limit for christ sake just roll them all at once!

But all freeblades gives some very interesting comboes. Would need cards for those abilities and preferably multiple copies so I have duplicates for duplicates. That or quickly write them down.

tneva82 wrote:
So that's possible? Seeing free blade was listed in page showing rules knight detachments excluding auxiliary gets I thought no freeblade either in aux det.

In the GW preview from https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/31/imperial-knights-building-your-champion/, they said:

"The best thing is that each Freeblade can be your Warlord AND can take Relics, making them the perfect choice if you’re looking to add a lone Knight to your army and offering you huge freedom when customising them."

Super heavy auxiliary does not get to nominate a character or get a household tradition, but Freeblades bypass all of that by allowing you to make them a character, warlord, and take relics.


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But you could take a lone Knight as a SH Aux Detachment and then use Exalted Court for 1 CP to make it a character and give it a warlord trait, then give it a relic for another 1 CP (or 0 CP if you haven't taken any others) as far as i understand?

I believe so. Just no house tradition. You're probably better off taking a freeblade.

Rajah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
So that's possible? Seeing free blade was listed in page showing rules knight detachments excluding auxiliary gets I thought no freeblade either in aux det.

In the GW preview from https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/31/imperial-knights-building-your-champion/, they said:

"The best thing is that each Freeblade can be your Warlord AND can take Relics, making them the perfect choice if you’re looking to add a lone Knight to your army and offering you huge freedom when customising them."

Super heavy auxiliary does not get to nominate a character or get a household tradition, but Freeblades bypass all of that by allowing you to make them a character, warlord, and take relics.

Oh groovy. Though technically speaking that's true statement even if they don't get freeblade abilities/burdens. But let's just say "yes" for now.

And I noticed they spoke about "each" so unless it's 1 freeblade detachment rule or something guess all freeblades could be possibility...

DOwe still have the relic ion shield? I run a lancer with it to rep my man BARRON ROLAND!!!!!!!!
Also is there abook for FW knight rules? I just have saved pdfs.
Cadmus strides to war once again!

So I'm now 700€ deep in this release haha (God thanks online retailers, that -20% came in handy for me..)
I was waiting for Renegade to return for a looong time, and I can already smell the small run that will end up with the preceptor kit going for preorder at 105£ and replacing both the warden kit, the errant kit and the Renegade box.

Anyway, has anyone run the numbers for carapace weapons PPW against flyers ? I keep hearing that the IronsStorm is basically useless and the StormSpear come on top of even the Icarus on PPW against every target including what I face the most in my meta : Flyers (be it antigrav tanks, bikes, venoms... )

tneva82 wrote:
So that's possible? Seeing free blade was listed in page showing rules knight detachments excluding auxiliary gets I thought no freeblade either in aux det.

That entry is simply stating that including a Freeblade in a Knight detachment doesn't stop other Knights from using Households and that they don't benefit from Households. It doesn't mention Qualities and as such, there's no implications there that Aux Freeblade can't use them.


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 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
DOwe still have the relic ion shield? I run a lancer with it to rep my man BARRON ROLAND!!!!!!!!
Also is there abook for FW knight rules? I just have saved pdfs.
Cadmus strides to war once again!

FW Knight rules are in Imperial Armour - Index: Forces of the Astra Militarum.

So you cannot take a unit with Freeblade abilities as a single unit in a non-Knight army?

Isn't that kinda what a Freeblade is meant to do???

tneva82 wrote:
Well that's a bummer. Seems that applies to freeblades as well :-/ Next I need to know if you can make all knights freeblade! If yes thats what I might go for just for laughs!

You can! I asked on the Community page and they said we’re able to.