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tneva82 wrote:


Correct. 3 warglaives alone will be getting households, strategems etc. If the lance rule did not exclude character rule from warglaives(like strategem excludes) also character warglaive(would be only way to get them). But no CP.

The super heavy aux thingie doesn't bother me that much as it's already done but the CP restriction is really weird. I could understand not allowing for armiger only but big knight+smaller knights would seem sensible. And can't recall any other faction with similar rule.

It really should be that 1 big knight per detachment unlocks CP. Pure knights wouldn't be able to get more than 6CP plus battleforged at 2000 points anyways. 3x gallants + 3x warglaives + 3xhelverins is more than 2000 points so pure knights would be hard capped at 9CP. That's a decent enough amount where we wouldn't always see a guard battalion though.

I'm pretty upset about that but have mailed GW and asked about it. Hopefully they'll change that in the IK FAQ but I'm not holding my breath. If they alter the rules the way that GW sold armigers to us just three months ago would no longer be a lie either.

Can someone confirm if you can get a Freeblade in a non-Knight army that has Freeblade abilities?

 Crazyterran wrote:
If freeblades are by detachment and not army, was thinking of running:

SH detachment:
Gallant: House Krast
Gallant: House Krast
Warden: Warlord, Relic Avenger Gatling Gun, Freeblade

SH Aux:
Crusader: Freeblade

SH Aux:
Errant: Freeblade

 ph34r wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Not to mention, putting them in an Auxiliary Detachment means they don't get a House Tradition.

Is that true? Does that apply to Armigers and Knights both?

Yes. Screenshot showing relevant page was show few pages before. All knights.

Yikes, that's a real bummer.

It looks like you can't take a Freeblade in an Auxiliary detachment either.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1950/751594.page#10009559

IMPERIAL KNIGHTS Detachments (excluding Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachments) gain the following abilities:
Knight Lances
...
Household Traditions
...
Freeblades

However, because the Qualities and Burdens are not listed here, there is hope that the FAQ will clarify the matter and let us take Freeblades in auxiliaries.

Oops, wrong thread.

Suzuteo wrote:
However, because the Qualities and Burdens are not listed here, there is hope that the FAQ will clarify the matter and let us take Freeblades in auxiliaries.

Yeah, this is really stupid. Knights noted for working alone can't, in fact, be taken alone? Wut?

I feel both this book and DW were written by pair of guys, one adding amazing, new, flavorful stuff and one attempting to sabotage it (or simply being incompetent) with rules shoddily trying to rigidly conform to exceptionally narrow and singular vision of fluff from some obscure source, by ruining armies that dare to not agree with it...

 Irbis wrote:

Suzuteo wrote:
However, because the Qualities and Burdens are not listed here, there is hope that the FAQ will clarify the matter and let us take Freeblades in auxiliaries.

Yeah, this is really stupid. Knights noted for working alone can't, in fact, be taken alone? Wut?

I feel both this book and DW were written by pair of guys, one adding amazing, new, flavorful stuff and one attempting to sabotage it (or simply being incompetent) with rules shoddily trying to rigidly conform to exceptionally narrow and singular vision of fluff from some obscure source, by ruining armies that dare to not agree with it...

No freeblade qualities and burdens would be stupid but not confirmed. House traditions I never expected to get on auxiliary. IG doesn't, why would knights?

tneva82 wrote:
No freeblade qualities and burdens would be stupid but not confirmed. House traditions I never expected to get on auxiliary. IG doesn't, why would knights?

There is a big difference, here, though. IG is massed military working in units and formations, Knights are by definition singular and while they do work in lances and courts, the fluff is full of a single Knight being dispatched to do X. See both Renegade games, for one. This is more akin to taking SM captain in HQ detachment, he gets the Chapter trait, and Knights should too, IMO.

I can understand if it's balance issue (Why, though? You can take a single household knight in SH detachment no problem...) but as a counterpoint I'd say it's a really badly thought out one if so, IG or Eldar can take a superheavy with a trait using minimal tax in supreme HQ detachment (that, let's be real, is not even a tax, both can always use more mook HQ models) so Knights being gimped there would be dumb, too.

Well just made my first forgeworld purchase

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/House-Terryn-Upgrade-Kit

gendoikari87 wrote:
Well just made my first forgeworld purchase

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/House-Terryn-Upgrade-Kit

Good choice. I wish they would make those for the other major houses too. I need Mortan stuff!

Someone at work saw me looking at this thread. They asked what all this was, as they were confused by the pics. My simple reply: "Imagine if a Goth kid designed crude Gundam". Surprisingly they totally got it and accepted it. Lol

Element Games in the UK have changed the availability date for Renegade and the codex to June 15th. That typically means GW are struggling to supply enough stock to cover all the FLGS pre-orders.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Someone at work saw me looking at this thread. They asked what all this was, as they were confused by the pics. My simple reply: "Imagine if a Goth kid designed crude Gundam". Surprisingly they totally got it and accepted it. Lol

as a recovering goth otaku I canconcurr

So, I've read lots of the threads and codex pages shared, but need some clarification on the Knight Lance. I'm getting the codex Sat, but also have an escalation league game that day. I'm taking 1 armiger alongside my AdMech, as it'll be the start of my knight army.

Based on my understanding, would my lone armiger be taken in a Knight Lance superheavy detachment as an ally to my Admech? If so, would I be able to use house traits and strategems on it? I could potentially make it a character + trait+ relic with strategems, but mainly want to see if I get a house trait.

Knight Lance: Any time you puts Knights in a Super Heavy Detachment, you need 3 Questoris or bigger to get the CP. You also get one character (though, I'm uncertain on the clarification that the character needs to be a big knight, but I would make that assumption).

Otherwise, any detachment that has Knights still gets to use Knights rules; Households, traits, strats.

In order to have a relic, you need to have a warlord. In order to have a warlord, you need to have a character. In order to make a Knight a character, you need either a Knight Lance or a 1 CP strat: Exhaulted Court.

At least, that is my understanding. Please correct me if I am wrong.

So, 3 big Knights gets you one Character (in order to get a warlord). The detatchment gets 3 CP. Extra Armigers can be put into this detatchment.

A big knight with armigers can be a character as the detatchment gets a character. But, gets no CP for the detatchment.

A lone knight in an auxiliary detachment can be a character (warlord) for the cost of 1 CP. No CP given.

All versions listed above are Battleforged and get their households, strats, and traits.

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 drazz wrote:
Knight Lance: Any time you puts Knights in a Super Heavy Detachment, you need 3 Questoris or bigger to get the CP. You also get one character (though, I'm uncertain on the clarification that the character needs to be a big knight, but I would make that assumption).

Otherwise, any detachment that has Knights still gets to use Knights rules; Households, traits, strats.

In order to have a relic, you need to have a warlord. In order to have a warlord, you need to have a character. In order to make a Knight a character, you need either a Knight Lance or a 1 CP strat: Exhaulted Court.

At least, that is my understanding. Please correct me if I am wrong.

So, 3 big Knights gets you one Character (in order to get a warlord). The detatchment gets 3 CP. Extra Armigers can be put into this detatchment.

A big knight with armigers can be a character (warlord) for 1 CP. But, gets no CP for the detatchment.

A lone knight can be a character (warlord) for the cost of 1 CP. No CP given.

All versions listed above are Battleforged and get their households, strats, and traits.

Thank you!

 drazz wrote:

A big knight with armigers can be a character (warlord) for 1 CP. But, gets no CP for the detatchment.
.

No need for cp. You get 1 character from det. Armiger just prevents cp from det

 Cephalobeard wrote:
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COUPON: PICKDADSGIFT

Gives 20% off.

I just got two boxes of renegade for only $133 each.

Man your battle stations, boys.

Why are these great deal always NA exclusive?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
FLASH SALE, EBAY

COUPON: PICKDADSGIFT

Gives 20% off.

I just got two boxes of renegade for only $133 each.

Man your battle stations, boys.

Thanks! That is awesome and now I'll have a 2nd Renegade box to work with!


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tneva82 wrote:

 drazz wrote:

A big knight with armigers can be a character (warlord) for 1 CP. But, gets no CP for the detatchment.
.

No need for cp. You get 1 character from det. Armiger just prevents cp from det

Thanks, I was wondering about that! Then I just couldn't take a warlord trait or relic unless I used a stratagem, as my warlord will be in the AdMech detachment.

tneva82 wrote:

 drazz wrote:

A big knight with armigers can be a character (warlord) for 1 CP. But, gets no CP for the detatchment.
.

No need for cp. You get 1 character from det. Armiger just prevents cp from det

I'll go back and clean this up, but my understanding is that in an auxiliary detatchment there will be no free character.

Edit: whoops, my mistake there.

thats right, since an aux doesent get the lance rule.

besides: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2018/06/leaked-imperial-knight-codex-pics.html

now we can read it ourselves

Just had a thought on the 'Exiled in Shame' Burden - does that include enemy Stratagems?

For example:
Night Lords player uses the -1 to hit Stratagem. The Freeblade ignores this as it is not affected by any Stratagems.

Thoughts?

RAW? Yeah, looks that way.

FAQ incoming? Probably.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Just had a thought on the 'Exiled in Shame' Burden - does that include enemy Stratagems?

For example:
Night Lords player uses the -1 to hit Stratagem. The Freeblade ignores this as it is not affected by any Stratagems.

Thoughts?

That would be stupid - strat is *applied* to Night Lords, affecting attacks against them

But I’m sure the WAAC rules lawyers won’t see it like that.

Should have probably been worded “Does not benefit from (friendly) stratagems”

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Well just made my first forgeworld purchase

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/House-Terryn-Upgrade-Kit

Good choice. I wish they would make those for the other major houses too. I need Mortan stuff!

Its just a shame they didn't do the shin plates as well. Still the small chance that FW might expand there range is why most of the armour plates on my new Knights are going to held on with blue tac or small dabs of super glue for a few months yet.

The fact that they are getting rid of a lot of their marine accessories means i wouldnt hold my breath for other types of accessories

 _Ness wrote:
thats right, since an aux doesent get the lance rule.

besides: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2018/06/leaked-imperial-knight-codex-pics.html

now we can read it ourselves

I've seen these screen shots before and I still can't read them. So, I'm going to ask if I take an LoW Aux detachment does that open up IK stratagems? I've read that you don't get to make that knight a character without playing the stratagem that makes him a character. Also can I or can I not give that knight a house benefit or free blade benefit? Does this apply to armigers as well?

my guess is that you can use the stratagems, but dont get their special rules. since the usage of the stratagems is described in the brb and the heavy aux is a vanilla detachment

Thanks to that eBay sale, I now have my Gallant. 5 regular Knights will be enough. I will give the Avenger Gatling Cannon to my brother since he doesn't have one.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 _Ness wrote:
thats right, since an aux doesent get the lance rule.

besides: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2018/06/leaked-imperial-knight-codex-pics.html

now we can read it ourselves

I've seen these screen shots before and I still can't read them. So, I'm going to ask if I take an LoW Aux detachment does that open up IK stratagems? I've read that you don't get to make that knight a character without playing the stratagem that makes him a character. Also can I or can I not give that knight a house benefit or free blade benefit? Does this apply to armigers as well?

You can have access to Stratagems with an Aux because this Codex doesn't have the usual restrictions.

You can't get any of the special C:IK abilities when using an aux though.