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 Arachnofiend wrote:
IG Lemons can be dealt with mathematically with Doomsday Arks, in a vacuum the Leman Russ is the DDA's ideal target (multi-wound model with high toughness and no invuln). The problem is the extreme variance on the Doomsday Ark, one-shotting a russ and whiffing entirely are both completely within the realm of possibility.

That's why one takes two.
Of course, there are two problems with this.

The first is that its 200 points per model.
The second is that you have to build a Doomsday Ark. I hope you like finicky connections, a convoluted construction method that involves painting it while you are building it, and an end product that keeps drooping because of how poorly balanced it is.

I maintain that the 5th ed necron era models were designed by artists and not hobbyists. Oh sure, they look pretty, but to actually build and use in game? Annoying. Just give me a mini monolith, a nice square block I can quickly slap together and plop on the table without worrying about it snapping in half.

At least building an Ark variant makes you feel like you accomplished something at the end of the process.

Built an Ark fully magnetized. It was a gruelling process with about 48 magnets in all. Feeling of accomplishment is there but the will to do another two just like it is not as strong.

I literally just finished building a second DDA. The kit is a nightmare.
Otherwise yeah, 3 Nihiliak DDAs are a nasty fire base hitting on 3s rerolling 1s if your numbers of shots are good.

So guys.
If you're running your Seraptek Heavy Construct Forward towards melee...what is your unit/units of choice to support it in melee? Or do you send it alone and hope it blows up half their army when it dies?

 iGuy91 wrote:
So guys.
If you're running your Seraptek Heavy Construct Forward towards melee...what is your unit/units of choice to support it in melee? Or do you send it alone and hope it blows up half their army when it dies?

Always overwhelm him with targets.

So wraiths, scarabs , or Deceiver up a silver ride or two, or two TVaults.

So I received my Seraptek today, but they mixed up the order and gave me two of one weapon set instead of one of each :/

I dont suppose you got two Synaptics did you?

they sent me two singularities...

 IHateNids wrote:
I dont suppose you got two Synaptics did you?

they sent me two singularities...

I did!

OT:

Sounds as if they mixed up or straight forgot weapons with a lot deliveries...This isnt the best advertisement for someone like me who wanted to buy something from them...At least their support seems nice and helpful...

torblind wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
So guys.
If you're running your Seraptek Heavy Construct Forward towards melee...what is your unit/units of choice to support it in melee? Or do you send it alone and hope it blows up half their army when it dies?

Always overwhelm him with targets.

So wraiths, scarabs , or Deceiver up a silver ride or two, or two TVaults.

So I received my Seraptek today, but they mixed up the order and gave me two of one weapon set instead of one of each :/

Well on flipside you could end up with extra set of weapons with this for conversion/terrain!

tneva82 wrote:

torblind wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
So guys.
If you're running your Seraptek Heavy Construct Forward towards melee...what is your unit/units of choice to support it in melee? Or do you send it alone and hope it blows up half their army when it dies?

Always overwhelm him with targets.

So wraiths, scarabs , or Deceiver up a silver ride or two, or two TVaults.

So I received my Seraptek today, but they mixed up the order and gave me two of one weapon set instead of one of each :/

Well on flipside you could end up with extra set of weapons with this for conversion/terrain!

Right? These things would make awesome heavy destroyers, with some minor tweaks

torblind wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

torblind wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
So guys.
If you're running your Seraptek Heavy Construct Forward towards melee...what is your unit/units of choice to support it in melee? Or do you send it alone and hope it blows up half their army when it dies?

Always overwhelm him with targets.

So wraiths, scarabs , or Deceiver up a silver ride or two, or two TVaults.

So I received my Seraptek today, but they mixed up the order and gave me two of one weapon set instead of one of each :/

Well on flipside you could end up with extra set of weapons with this for conversion/terrain!

Right? These things would make awesome heavy destroyers, with some minor tweaks

Yep. Annoying if you needed the second weapon set soon(say for tournament) but if there's no immediate pressure to have them getting incorrect product is least of my worries with GW/FW. Generally they will simply send up new thing and you get to keep the incorrect one. So while it can be annoying you end up with extras with it. Generally I can live with that. Customer service is GW's best part.

tneva82 wrote:

torblind wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

torblind wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
So guys.
If you're running your Seraptek Heavy Construct Forward towards melee...what is your unit/units of choice to support it in melee? Or do you send it alone and hope it blows up half their army when it dies?

Always overwhelm him with targets.

So wraiths, scarabs , or Deceiver up a silver ride or two, or two TVaults.

So I received my Seraptek today, but they mixed up the order and gave me two of one weapon set instead of one of each :/

Well on flipside you could end up with extra set of weapons with this for conversion/terrain!

Right? These things would make awesome heavy destroyers, with some minor tweaks

Yep. Annoying if you needed the second weapon set soon(say for tournament) but if there's no immediate pressure to have them getting incorrect product is least of my worries with GW/FW. Generally they will simply send up new thing and you get to keep the incorrect one. So while it can be annoying you end up with extras with it. Generally I can live with that. Customer service is GW's best part.

Awesome. I'm 110% happy.

Yeah, I am also keeping hold of my spare Singularities. Going to cut & repose them slightly and get some MDF cut to shape for a pair of Sentry Pylons

At least, thats the theory...

I too recieved my seraptek with two sets of the same weapon instead of one of each. Somebody messed this up bad as I've seen an overwhelming amount of posts around stating the same thing.

it seems the problem was that the body and weapon bundle was not coming up in their system right.

Think they should of just applied logic, why would someone want two sets of the same weapon.

prob be a lot less problems than there is atm

moonsmite wrote:
Think they should of just applied logic, why would someone want two sets of the same weapon.

prob be a lot less problems than there is atm

If its computer automated logic wouldn't play into it.
They might not have someone double checking all of the orders, and even then mistakes happen.

Today they kindly told me they are sending a replacement, no mention of returning the other set.

torblind wrote:
Today they kindly told me they are sending a replacement, no mention of returning the other set.

That's usually how it goes. GW customer service is great!

Are you worried about your (heavy) destroyers being shot off the table T1 ? You dont want to spend CP to put them in deepstrike T2 ? There is a solution. Put them in an imperial bunker for 100 pts. It can hold INFANTRY CHARACTERS and one unit of INFANTRY up to a maximum of 10 models. 5 models can shoot in their shooting phase, and they can even shoot if enemy models are within 1" of the bunker. The bunker has T8 W12 and 3+ sv.

How about a 5+ inv for your 3 DDAs ? Put them on top of a skyshield landing pad for 110 pts. The pad has T8 W20 and 4+ sv.

Both models are UNALIGNED and can be used in any faction army as a fortification network detachment.

Why isnt that meta hahaha

ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:
Why isnt that meta hahaha

Waste of pts. You're not getting any more firepower, 35 pts per model assuming you take 3 to get a 5+ invul until you move isn't amazing, it's also broadcasting where your DDAs are going to go. You could get 2 Destroyers instead of that Bunker, 3 lascannons for 271 pts or 5 Destroyers for 250. The bunker is tough, but your opponent can just ignore those 3 lascannons and get the rest of your army. They don't seem horrible, they seem pretty balanced so if you like them I'd say go ahead and take them. But they look Imperial so I'd rather bring more stuff that is actually Necrons. Pretty stupid of me to buy them last edition, but they were quite good then (assuming you were going somewhat soft and took a CAD).

Instead, I'd rather play on a table with enough terrain to allow me to block LoS.

vict0988 wrote:

ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:
Why isnt that meta hahaha

Waste of pts. You're not getting any more firepower, 35 pts per model assuming you take 3 to get a 5+ invul until you move isn't amazing, it's also broadcasting where your DDAs are going to go. You could get 2 Destroyers instead of that Bunker, 3 lascannons for 271 pts or 5 Destroyers for 250. The bunker is tough, but your opponent can just ignore those 3 lascannons and get the rest of your army. They don't seem horrible, they seem pretty balanced so if you like them I'd say go ahead and take them. But they look Imperial so I'd rather bring more stuff that is actually Necrons. Pretty stupid of me to buy them last edition, but they were quite good then (assuming you were going somewhat soft and took a CAD).

Keep in mind that you can play reclaim a lost empire on your nihilakh DDA to improve the inv to 4+ while its on a skyshield landing pad. It works only for one DDA, though. You can play RALE three times for three DDAs, but thats 6 CP.

iGuy91 wrote:Instead, I'd rather play on a table with enough terrain to allow me to block LoS.

You dont get what the bunker is for. You can shoot your opponent, but your opponent cant shoot you. Usually if your unit can shoot, it can be shot at. You can also use the bunker to bring your units closer to the enemy. Deploy the bunker with units embarked in it, disembark within 3", move, and charge T1. Your units are pretty much safe inside, they cant be shot at. Your opponent would have to destroy the bunker first.

That is amazing. Need to Necron convert some bunkers!

Why are you concerned about your DDA being shot up. They have 14 wounds and quantum sheilding. High AP weapons typical have high damage roles so you are practically immune to them. Something like a battle cannon is only AP -2 so if you are in cover you still have a 5+ save so a 5++ doesn't matter at all (considering your range you should ALWAYS be in cover).

I think you are missing the point with the DDA and why it is good. It's good because out of the box it is your best anti tank option and it doesn't need anything else to work.

What to shoot my quantum sheilded DDA? Great! You aren't shooting my more vulnerable destroyers and might fail to wipe them and they can resurrect.

Leave your DDA as bait because they have the best chance to wiff damage.

Yeah, the arks are surprisingly durable.
I've only lost one once.

 p5freak wrote:
*snip*
Keep in mind that you can play reclaim a lost empire on your nihilakh DDA to improve the inv to 4+ while its on a skyshield landing pad. It works only for one DDA, though. You can play RALE three times for three DDAs, but thats 6 CP.
*snip*

You can't play a Stratagem more than once per phase, so no more than one DDA can benefit from RALE per turn.

 DV8 wrote:

You can't play a Stratagem more than once per phase, so no more than one DDA can benefit from RALE per turn.

RALE is not played inside a phase, please read the stratagem.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
Why are you concerned about your DDA being shot up.

It was just an example. You could place 6 destroyers on the skyshield landing pad and play RALE on them to give them a 4+ inv.