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2019/12/20 20:16:02
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?
Lol. I was right then and moreso now. You're constant antagonism isn't going to change that.
I qualified my statement about Deathmarks. So go fly a kite.
You were not right. You consistently used the wrong stats, wrong math, and had no real data to back up your point.
In addition, Deathmarks can't drop T1-they can either start on the board, or wait for T2. They do not have an exception like Drop Pods do.
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2019/12/20 20:29:32
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?
Lol. I was right then and moreso now. You're constant antagonism isn't going to change that.
I qualified my statement about Deathmarks. So go fly a kite.
You were not right. You consistently used the wrong stats, wrong math, and had no real data to back up your point.
In addition, Deathmarks can't drop T1-they can either start on the board, or wait for T2. They do not have an exception like Drop Pods do.
As I understand it he is speaking of counter deepstriking stuff T1. In my opinion the rules are not 100% clear if Ethereal Interception is except from the ban on T1 deepstriking. In my opinion it is but to be sure it would have to be FAQ.
2019/12/20 20:31:38
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I don't see anything that would let them break the rule of no dropping T1. GW could FAQ or Errata it so they could, but RAW right now is they cannot.
Since right now, they have a permission (May counter-Deepstrike) and a restriction (cannot Deepstrike T1). The only way to follow both is to not Deepstrike.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2019/12/20 21:26:04
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Yeah I don't see any real argument that Ethereal Interception has an exception to the T1 Deepstrike restriction. There are many other rules that are permissive (You can shoot x) that otherwise are stopped by restrictions.
For example, imagine in Deathmarks didn't have the ability to explicitly target characters, but still said in Ethereal Interception that they could shoot the unit that just deepstriked. If that unit was a character that wasn't the closest, Ethereal Interception saying "you can shoot them" wouldn't override the restriction.
Unless you're trying to argue that Ethereal Interception adopts the special rules of the deepstrike that it's countering, which is pretty ridiculous.
First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?
Lol. I was right then and moreso now. You're constant antagonism isn't going to change that.
I qualified my statement about Deathmarks. So go fly a kite.
Everyone here told you that you were wrong about Flayed Ones. The denial is very real.
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2019/12/21 07:22:07
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Jancoran wrote: [
Deathmarks are quite useful in the meta right now anyways because there are a number of things that can jump up turn one. Also Drop Pods finally got what they needed. So theres a real possibility that you can use Deathmarks to cut a combo-breaker off. Ive used the example before: Unit of 4 meltaguns drops in. Death Marks drop in. Now the meltaguns cant get buffed by the character that was supposed to buff them. Stuff like that. They can cut off a large part of the board suddenly from deep strikes, potentially holding the enemy at bay. This is of course in addition to their ability to kill characters which if you take a full unit, isn't bad at all when rapid firing. 20 Sniper shots will get ya 5 unsaved wounds a lot of the time.
They aren't Gawds gift to Necrons, that's certain. But in a friendly meta you're probably looking for flexible things that can try to do cool things and they fit the bill.
T1 jumping is bad for deathmarks since they can't come out of reserve t1. They have no exception to the rule. Atm only drop pods ignore t1 limit. And you can't intercept them. And not sure you want to come and shoot at pod either. You do know right you could not shoot at the passengers right?
First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?
Lol. I was right then and moreso now. You're constant antagonism isn't going to change that.
I qualified my statement about Deathmarks. So go fly a kite.
You were not right. You consistently used the wrong stats, wrong math, and had no real data to back up your point.
In addition, Deathmarks can't drop T1-they can either start on the board, or wait for T2. They do not have an exception like Drop Pods do.
As I understand it he is speaking of counter deepstriking stuff T1. In my opinion the rules are not 100% clear if Ethereal Interception is except from the ban on T1 deepstriking. In my opinion it is but to be sure it would have to be FAQ.
It's real easy to see if they are except. Check codex and faq.
Neither gives excemption. They start off board and thus fall under rule and needs excemption
Jancoran is just saying crap. 100% what he has said are lies and incorrect statements. His flayed one clains were embarrassingly bad. They are bad even with price drop. They were obviously even worse when they cost more
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2019/12/21 07:38:22
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
OK befor we start another discussion over 5 Pages over Deathmarks like with the Flayed Ones...
I Take my earlier statement back. They are popably not except from T1 deepstrike rules while counter deepstriking.
I will try my earlier question again since I only got 1 maybe 2 answers and only about 1 of the 4 choices. So here I go...
I made a 1k Novokh list for my LOCAL gaming group. My question is only about the Artifact on the OL an about nothing else so pls don't reply with saying what Units I should Change. The list is only for fun and not supposed to be as strong as possible. I just want to know you opinions which of the following 4 Artifacts would be best for the OL.
Sempiternal Weave
Nightmare Shroud
Blood Scythe
Voidreaper
I'm giving you the list Just to see what I'm running besides the OL.
PS: My gaming group allows for Mixed weapon options on the LG so I'm running a 10 man squat with 5 Warscythe and 5 Shield/Sword.
Surtr wrote: OK befor we start another discussion over 5 Pages over Deathmarks like with the Flayed Ones...
I Take my earlier statement back. They are popably not except from T1 deepstrike rules while counter deepstriking.
I will try my earlier question again since I only got 1 maybe 2 answers and only about 1 of the 4 choices. So here I go...
I made a 1k Novokh list for my LOCAL gaming group. My question is only about the Artifact on the OL an about nothing else so pls don't reply with saying what Units I should Change. The list is only for fun and not supposed to be as strong as possible. I just want to know you opinions which of the following 4 Artifacts would be best for the OL.
Sempiternal Weave
Nightmare Shroud
Blood Scythe
Voidreaper
I'm giving you the list Just to see what I'm running besides the OL.
PS: My gaming group allows for Mixed weapon options on the LG so I'm running a 10 man squat with 5 Warscythe and 5 Shield/Sword.
Go for the Blood Scythe. I guess you can pretend to expect the LG will adequately protect the OL, and the Blood Scythe will make him a better Glorious Intervener.
Sempiternal Weave doesn't really help as much (T6 isn't that much more survivable in the kind of combat where it could matter) and the Nightmare Shroud is terrible.
The Voidreaper is a potential second choice to the Blood Scythe, but the faction specific version offers far more lethality. The Voidreaper is better than Warscythes as an option for non-Novokh CCHQs.
2019/12/21 19:40:39
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
So, after a longer hiatus from Crones, Im ready to pick them up again. But i have no clue what so ever what to use, Im a competative player, we dont use FW. Can someone give me a breakdown what is usable?
Thank you
2019/12/22 09:33:09
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Belsibub wrote: So, after a longer hiatus from Crones, Im ready to pick them up again. But i have no clue what so ever what to use, Im a competative player, we dont use FW. Can someone give me a breakdown what is usable?
Thank you
40kstats dot com has you covered. You need some anti-infantry for that our best options are tesla Tomb Blades or tesla Immortals. Then you need some anti-vehicle for that our best option is Doomsday Arks. Then you can either get 3 Doomscythes for the Amalgamated Targeting Stratagem, Tesseract Arks or Ghost Arks to present an overwhelming amount of armour shielded by Quantum Shielding, Scarabs and/or Wraiths if you want a melee punch, Destroyers if you're into a glass hammer or more tesla to improve your anti-infantry. Heavy Destroyers can probably replace Destroyers after their buff, Annihilation Barges are almost as good as Ghost Arks and Triarch Praetorians might be as good as Wraiths in rare circumstances.
2019/12/22 12:11:19
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Surtr wrote: OK befor we start another discussion over 5 Pages over Deathmarks like with the Flayed Ones...
I Take my earlier statement back. They are popably not except from T1 deepstrike rules while counter deepstriking.
I will try my earlier question again since I only got 1 maybe 2 answers and only about 1 of the 4 choices. So here I go...
I made a 1k Novokh list for my LOCAL gaming group. My question is only about the Artifact on the OL an about nothing else so pls don't reply with saying what Units I should Change. The list is only for fun and not supposed to be as strong as possible. I just want to know you opinions which of the following 4 Artifacts would be best for the OL.
Sempiternal Weave
Nightmare Shroud
Blood Scythe
Voidreaper
I'm giving you the list Just to see what I'm running besides the OL.
PS: My gaming group allows for Mixed weapon options on the LG so I'm running a 10 man squat with 5 Warscythe and 5 Shield/Sword.
Go for the Blood Scythe. I guess you can pretend to expect the LG will adequately protect the OL, and the Blood Scythe will make him a better Glorious Intervener.
Sempiternal Weave doesn't really help as much (T6 isn't that much more survivable in the kind of combat where it could matter) and the Nightmare Shroud is terrible.
The Voidreaper is a potential second choice to the Blood Scythe, but the faction specific version offers far more lethality. The Voidreaper is better than Warscythes as an option for non-Novokh CCHQs.
Thx for the Tip. Only question i have. Since my list is lacking anti Tank. Is the Blood Scythe better than the Voidscythe against T7 / T8 Targets?
2019/12/22 14:11:42
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Surtr wrote: OK befor we start another discussion over 5 Pages over Deathmarks like with the Flayed Ones... I Take my earlier statement back. They are popably not except from T1 deepstrike rules while counter deepstriking.
I will try my earlier question again since I only got 1 maybe 2 answers and only about 1 of the 4 choices. So here I go...
I made a 1k Novokh list for my LOCAL gaming group. My question is only about the Artifact on the OL an about nothing else so pls don't reply with saying what Units I should Change. The list is only for fun and not supposed to be as strong as possible. I just want to know you opinions which of the following 4 Artifacts would be best for the OL. Sempiternal Weave Nightmare Shroud Blood Scythe Voidreaper
I'm giving you the list Just to see what I'm running besides the OL. PS: My gaming group allows for Mixed weapon options on the LG so I'm running a 10 man squat with 5 Warscythe and 5 Shield/Sword.
Go for the Blood Scythe. I guess you can pretend to expect the LG will adequately protect the OL, and the Blood Scythe will make him a better Glorious Intervener.
Sempiternal Weave doesn't really help as much (T6 isn't that much more survivable in the kind of combat where it could matter) and the Nightmare Shroud is terrible.
The Voidreaper is a potential second choice to the Blood Scythe, but the faction specific version offers far more lethality. The Voidreaper is better than Warscythes as an option for non-Novokh CCHQs.
Thx for the Tip. Only question i have. Since my list is lacking anti Tank. Is the Blood Scythe better than the Voidscythe against T7 / T8 Targets?
Blood Scythe increases damage by 67% against all targets. Voidreaper increases damage by 50% against models with exactly 3 wounds or an arbitrarily large number of wounds. Unless you are fighting non-Vehicle units the Blood Scythe is better anti-tank between the relics. Voidscythe does 60% more against T7 with an arbitrarily large number of wounds and 140% more against T8. Voidscythe is the weakest against infantry but can be buffed even further with MWBD.
I think the Nightmare Shroud is pretty good, useless on an Overlord but pretty good. I don't get need to not take Veil of Darkness, it's so much fun and very effective.
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2019/12/22 17:12:03
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Surtr wrote: OK befor we start another discussion over 5 Pages over Deathmarks like with the Flayed Ones...
I Take my earlier statement back. They are popably not except from T1 deepstrike rules while counter deepstriking.
I will try my earlier question again since I only got 1 maybe 2 answers and only about 1 of the 4 choices. So here I go...
I made a 1k Novokh list for my LOCAL gaming group. My question is only about the Artifact on the OL an about nothing else so pls don't reply with saying what Units I should Change. The list is only for fun and not supposed to be as strong as possible. I just want to know you opinions which of the following 4 Artifacts would be best for the OL.
Sempiternal Weave
Nightmare Shroud
Blood Scythe
Voidreaper
I'm giving you the list Just to see what I'm running besides the OL.
PS: My gaming group allows for Mixed weapon options on the LG so I'm running a 10 man squat with 5 Warscythe and 5 Shield/Sword.
Go for the Blood Scythe. I guess you can pretend to expect the LG will adequately protect the OL, and the Blood Scythe will make him a better Glorious Intervener.
Sempiternal Weave doesn't really help as much (T6 isn't that much more survivable in the kind of combat where it could matter) and the Nightmare Shroud is terrible.
The Voidreaper is a potential second choice to the Blood Scythe, but the faction specific version offers far more lethality. The Voidreaper is better than Warscythes as an option for non-Novokh CCHQs.
Thx for the Tip. Only question i have. Since my list is lacking anti Tank. Is the Blood Scythe better than the Voidscythe against T7 / T8 Targets?
Blood Scythe increases damage by 67% against all targets. Voidreaper increases damage by 50% against models with exactly 3 wounds or an arbitrarily large number of wounds. Unless you are fighting non-Vehicle units the Blood Scythe is better anti-tank between the relics. Voidscythe does 60% more against T7 with an arbitrarily large number of wounds and 140% more against T8. Voidscythe is the weakest against infantry but can be buffed even further with MWBD.
I think the Nightmare Shroud is pretty good, useless on an Overlord but pretty good. I don't get need to not take Veil of Darkness, it's so much fun and very effective.
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Nice Overview. I think i will give the Blood Scythe a go.
As for the VoD sure it is the obvious strongest and Most flexible choice but since I'm taking it 95% of the time and if Not then the lightning field (Lord or CCB) i Just wanted to give the other artifacts a chance to perform
2019/12/22 22:42:49
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
They pretty much hit the same and wound the same against vehicles, since the Overlord using the Bloodscythe is S7 anyway. The Bloodscythe's extra D3 attacks is somewhat equivalent to the Voidreaper's D3 damage, though you are getting better value for a CP re-roll on the Voidreaper.
2019/12/23 10:03:09
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
10 Lychguard are crying out for an Overlord with the Veil of Darkness and the Reroll charges WL trait.
I like Voidscythes for Overlords now that they are only 12pts. MWBD can fix the -1 to hit and you don't take a Relic slot up. Against most characters you will hit on 2's, wound on 2's and kill them if 2 attacks get through.
2019/12/23 10:28:45
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I like Voidscythes for Overlords now that they are only 12pts. MWBD can fix the -1 to hit and you don't take a Relic slot up. Against most characters you will hit on 2's, wound on 2's and kill them if 2 attacks get through.
Unfortunately our OL arent melee monsters. I have been thinking about sticking 3 novokh OL with void/warscythes in a ghost ark, then redeploy it with the deceiver, disembark, and charge. It would be a 7" charge, because of disembark within 3" plus 40mm (~1.5") base size, which would bring you to 7.5" from enemy models. One OL could be the warlord with the implacable conqueror warlord trait, to reroll failed charges.
Now you might think the OLs cant charge because of the deceivers GI rule. But they are embarked, embarked units are not on the battlefield, and the transport rule says they cant be affected by anything, so the GI rule doesnt affect them.
You could combine this with obyzahn and bring in 10 more lychguard, or any other melee unit for a decent alpha charge.
If only our ghost arks could carry lychguard, or any other melee unit
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2019/12/23 10:44:19
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I like Voidscythes for Overlords now that they are only 12pts. MWBD can fix the -1 to hit and you don't take a Relic slot up. Against most characters you will hit on 2's, wound on 2's and kill them if 2 attacks get through.
Unfortunately our OL arent melee monsters. I have been thinking about sticking 3 novokh OL with void/warscythes in a ghost ark, then redeploy it with the deceiver, disembark, and charge. It would be a 7" charge, because of disembark within 3" plus 40mm (~1.5") base size, which would bring you to 7.5" from enemy models. One OL could be the warlord with the implacable conqueror warlord trait, to reroll failed charges.
Now you might think the OLs cant charge because of the deceivers GI rule. But they are embarked, embarked units are not on the battlefield, and the transport rule says they cant be affected by anything, so the GI rule doesnt affect them.
You could combine this with obyzahn and bring in 10 more lychguard, or any other melee unit for a decent alpha charge.
If only our ghost arks could carry lychguard, or any other melee unit
Wouldn't the OLs be able to move after disembarking, making the charge 2"?
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2019/12/23 10:53:26
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I like Voidscythes for Overlords now that they are only 12pts. MWBD can fix the -1 to hit and you don't take a Relic slot up. Against most characters you will hit on 2's, wound on 2's and kill them if 2 attacks get through.
Unfortunately our OL arent melee monsters. I have been thinking about sticking 3 novokh OL with void/warscythes in a ghost ark, then redeploy it with the deceiver, disembark, and charge. It would be a 7" charge, because of disembark within 3" plus 40mm (~1.5") base size, which would bring you to 7.5" from enemy models. One OL could be the warlord with the implacable conqueror warlord trait, to reroll failed charges.
Now you might think the OLs cant charge because of the deceivers GI rule. But they are embarked, embarked units are not on the battlefield, and the transport rule says they cant be affected by anything, so the GI rule doesnt affect them.
You could combine this with obyzahn and bring in 10 more lychguard, or any other melee unit for a decent alpha charge.
If only our ghost arks could carry lychguard, or any other melee unit
The temptation to run this has been on my brain for months....
Now it's not obtrusively expensive, I am looking at it again
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2019/12/23 12:45:12
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Hmm I have in my head that things that go to the transporter also count for the peapole inside. Same like you advance an open top transport people inside can't shoot
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