Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]

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**Darsolan**

Odrankt wrote:
When in the OP did anyone say anything about MWBD???? I clearly read what was written and didnt not invent other things that were not say.

The Overlord gives one infantry unit MWBD. So obviously the Lychguard would be given MWBD so even if VoD 9" away they still make a 8" charge with +1 to charge from MWBD.

If I was you man, I would read the codex before posting stuff online and looking dumb. The OP doesn't need to state anything about MWBD because it's already presumed to be given to them.

Smdh.

You have to be intentionally missing the point.

I commented on another post about needing a 8'' to charge when using veil when that is not true. Its a 9''

If the comment said you need an 8'' when using veil and MWBD that is totally different. But since that was not what was said I wasnt going to make assumptions and would rather than some new player coming along seeing misinformation and then trying to play it incorrectly in a game. (I have seen this specifically happen with deep striking and charging as I am sure most of us have)

I am not even going to go into your "If I was you" comment as its just coming off as ego.

**ThePauliPrinciple**

When picking the fractured personality for your transcendent c'tan, what do people do? Pick a specific one, or roll for two chances?

**torblind**

Darsolan wrote:
Odrankt wrote:
When in the OP did anyone say anything about MWBD???? I clearly read what was written and didnt not invent other things that were not say.

The Overlord gives one infantry unit MWBD. So obviously the Lychguard would be given MWBD so even if VoD 9" away they still make a 8" charge with +1 to charge from MWBD.

If I was you man, I would read the codex before posting stuff online and looking dumb. The OP doesn't need to state anything about MWBD because it's already presumed to be given to them.

Smdh.

You have to be intentionally missing the point.

I commented on another post about needing a 8'' to charge when using veil when that is not true. Its a 9''

If the comment said you need an 8'' when using veil and MWBD that is totally different. But since that was not what was said I wasnt going to make assumptions and would rather than some new player coming along seeing misinformation and then trying to play it incorrectly in a game. (I have seen this specifically happen with deep striking and charging as I am sure most of us have)

I am not even going to go into your "If I was you" comment as its just coming off as ego.

It's sort of a given though. If you bring 10 LG with warscythes then you have to build your list around the question on how to get them into CC. Or you squander those 300 pts.

If you already brought your Warlord with the VoD into the frey to maximize odds to make the charge, then of course you give them MWBD too.

Just write something along the lines of "for anyone wondering why the guy said 8, giving them MWBD is understood on this situation." No need to bash down wide open doors.

**Darsolan**

torblind wrote:
Darsolan wrote:
Odrankt wrote:
When in the OP did anyone say anything about MWBD???? I clearly read what was written and didnt not invent other things that were not say.

The Overlord gives one infantry unit MWBD. So obviously the Lychguard would be given MWBD so even if VoD 9" away they still make a 8" charge with +1 to charge from MWBD.

If I was you man, I would read the codex before posting stuff online and looking dumb. The OP doesn't need to state anything about MWBD because it's already presumed to be given to them.

Smdh.

You have to be intentionally missing the point.

I commented on another post about needing a 8'' to charge when using veil when that is not true. Its a 9''

If the comment said you need an 8'' when using veil and MWBD that is totally different. But since that was not what was said I wasnt going to make assumptions and would rather than some new player coming along seeing misinformation and then trying to play it incorrectly in a game. (I have seen this specifically happen with deep striking and charging as I am sure most of us have)

I am not even going to go into your "If I was you" comment as its just coming off as ego.

It's sort of a given though. If you bring 10 LG with warscythes then you have to build your list around the question on how to get them into CC. Or you squander those 300 pts.

If you already brought your Warlord with the VoD into the frey to maximize odds to make the charge, then of course you give them MWBD too.

Just write something along the lines of "for anyone wondering why the guy said 8, giving them MWBD is understood on this situation." No need to bash down wide open doors.

Nothing is given. If you say you need 8'' on a charge you actually said that. If you say you need 8'' on a charge with MWBD thats different.

Its not cool to just expect everyone to guess whats in someone elses head. At no point in time have I been wrong here I dont know why anyone would try to then say that I am. Its 9'' and always has been 9''. I am simply stating facts and people are then coming around saying yeah but if you added something else you would be wrong.......what is wrong with you people.

**Blndmage**

ThePauliPrinciple wrote:
When picking the fractured personality for your transcendent c'tan, what do people do? Pick a specific one, or roll for two chances?

I roll. Why not? You get two abilities.
I also roll for powers too.
The price drop has made me a happy follower of the great Star Gods!

**Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll**

Darsolan you can’t seriously say “You didn’t say MWBD” when the post you literally quoted says “if you buff them with MWBD.”

Edit: for clarity, you directly replied to a post saying MWBD applies to make it an 8” charge with saying that that was wrong and it was 9”. Those are facts. You’re wrong. You’re not a victim. You’re just repetitively wrong.

**p5freak**

Darsolan wrote:
p5freak wrote:
Darsolan wrote:
p5freak wrote:
Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
10 Lychguard are crying out for an Overlord with the Veil of Darkness and the Reroll charges WL trait.

Its still an 8 to make the charge, if you buff them with MWBD.

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Its a 9'' When you deep strike you have to be MORE than 9'' away.....not 9 away.

MWBD gives +1 to charge rolls, so its 8. I suggest you read the rules first, before giving false information.

When in the OP did anyone say anything about MWBD???? I clearly read what was written and didnt not invent other things that were not say.

You quoted me, and i said its an 8, when you buff them with MWBD.

**vict0988**

ThePauliPrinciple wrote:
When picking the fractured personality for your transcendent c'tan, what do people do? Pick a specific one, or roll for two chances?

Pick Cosmic Tyrant for a fire support C'tan, Immune to Natural Law for a brawler or against snipers or Transdimensional Displacement for Cosmic Fire shananigans or roll twice, then pick powers to suit their personality.

You could go through all the 36 personality combinations and value out the average, but in truth, I just think rolling for traits is fun. Rolling is stronger on the surface I'd say but it depends heavily on the rest of your list and your opponent's list because ignoring cover is often useless and if you advance you cannot charge which might be a big problem.

List of probabilities for different combinations.

Spoiler:

**p5freak**

The fractured personality rule says that duplicate rolls have no effect. That means you wouldnt get any fractured personality ability, when you roll the same number.

**T1nk4bell**

Jep that's one of the biggest probs of you want to roll it

**sieGermans**

T1nk4bell wrote:
Jep that's one of the biggest probs of you want to roll it

Aye, a 1/6 chance of getting nothing at all—and individually they are potent enough for that to be significant.

**T1nk4bell**

Well it's 16,6% to just get one bonus.
Than we have bad bonus like regain wounds or mega advance.
To many things that can be bad

**sieGermans**

T1nk4bell wrote:
Well it's 16,6% to just get one bonus.
Than we have bad bonus like regain wounds or mega advance.
To many things that can be bad

By my read of the rules entry, a roll of double means Fractured Personality has no effect at all, and the C’tan gets no bonus trait instead.

**torblind**

Darsolan wrote:
torblind wrote:
Darsolan wrote:
Odrankt wrote:
When in the OP did anyone say anything about MWBD???? I clearly read what was written and didnt not invent other things that were not say.

The Overlord gives one infantry unit MWBD. So obviously the Lychguard would be given MWBD so even if VoD 9" away they still make a 8" charge with +1 to charge from MWBD.

If I was you man, I would read the codex before posting stuff online and looking dumb. The OP doesn't need to state anything about MWBD because it's already presumed to be given to them.

Smdh.

You have to be intentionally missing the point.

I commented on another post about needing a 8'' to charge when using veil when that is not true. Its a 9''

If the comment said you need an 8'' when using veil and MWBD that is totally different. But since that was not what was said I wasnt going to make assumptions and would rather than some new player coming along seeing misinformation and then trying to play it incorrectly in a game. (I have seen this specifically happen with deep striking and charging as I am sure most of us have)

I am not even going to go into your "If I was you" comment as its just coming off as ego.

It's sort of a given though. If you bring 10 LG with warscythes then you have to build your list around the question on how to get them into CC. Or you squander those 300 pts.

If you already brought your Warlord with the VoD into the frey to maximize odds to make the charge, then of course you give them MWBD too.

Just write something along the lines of "for anyone wondering why the guy said 8, giving them MWBD is understood on this situation." No need to bash down wide open doors.

Nothing is given. If you say you need 8'' on a charge you actually said that. If you say you need 8'' on a charge with MWBD thats different.

Its not cool to just expect everyone to guess whats in someone elses head. At no point in time have I been wrong here I dont know why anyone would try to then say that I am. Its 9'' and always has been 9''. I am simply stating facts and people are then coming around saying yeah but if you added something else you would be wrong.......what is wrong with you people.

I'm done with you

**p5freak**

sieGermans wrote:
T1nk4bell wrote:
Well it's 16,6% to just get one bonus.
Than we have bad bonus like regain wounds or mega advance.
To many things that can be bad

By my read of the rules entry, a roll of double means Fractured Personality has no effect at all, and the C’tan gets no bonus trait instead.

You can always re-roll one dice for 1CP if you get a duplicate result.

**T1nk4bell**

No you can't it's before game starts isn't it?

**ThePauliPrinciple**

Not getting any personality would be pretty bad yeah.

Never realised it could mean that too (was thinking you'd just get one effect), also no idea what was intended here, both make sense.

At what point do you roll for it? For psykers it says before either player deploys (in the main rulebook). Do I play it like that? I can't find any other mention of before the battle.

EDIT:

T1nk4bell wrote:
No you can't it's before game starts isn't it?

Actually it says before the battle, not game. In the rulebook on page 242 under "Command Points" it says "You can spend Command points to use a Strategem before or during the batlle." So it looks like you can use the reroll

**sieGermans**

I’ll post a query in YMDC.

**torblind**

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Other important things also happens after the game has started but before the battle begins, such as the Deceiver's redeploy ability.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

torblind wrote:
Seems pretty straight forward to me. Other important things also happens after the game has started but before the battle begins, such as the Deceiver's redeploy ability.

Ah you meant the same result on both dice, situation. Looks like another rule fart GW missed. I'd always play it like you get one effect instead of two - if the goal was to punish you by giving you no effects, they'd likely make a bigger number out of it.

**Brymm**

Until this point in this thread, I am positive no one played “doubles get no powers,” so don’t start.

**Jancoran**

JNAProductions wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

First you come into the thread spewing a bunch of crap about Flayed Ones, and now you choose to do the same for Deathmarks. Can you just leave please so we can actually discuss Necrons?

Lol. I was right then and moreso now. You're constant antagonism isn't going to change that.

I qualified my statement about Deathmarks. So go fly a kite.
You consistently used the wrong stats, wrong math, .

...But I didn't.
You gave Flayed Ones 4 attacks instead of 3.

Already explained why at great length as well. At this point you're being intentionally obtuse... or you just actually are.

**JNAProductions**

You didn't use Anrakyr. You didn't use any strats. You were just plain wrong.

**sieGermans**

I mean, I would prefer that it’s “low downside” instead of “double or nothing”!

**Dynas**

Akaiyou wrote:
Pyrothem wrote:
Thank you for the post very well thought out. I apologise for the C'tan powers that was my reading error.

I see in the BA battle you are rocking a Catacomb Comand barge any reason? Also are those Wrathes naked or have some whip coils since the price drop?

No worries. The choosing of powers is the reason why I think it should always be either 1 or 4 with no inbetweens. The flexibility is what you want with these, I've play tested up to the maximum of 5 def saw diminishing returns.

I play test everything I own at least once to see if it has any potential. Since the CA changes I wanted to give everything a fair shake, theory crafting is great and all but ultimately you want to also put it to practice and see the in-game value aswell. The annihilation barge did not do much for me as expected but it is pretty cheap though I think heavy destroyers would've been a better option to compliment the 2 transcendent c'tans in the spearhead.

The command barge had the solar staff (the entire army was Nephrek) so i can shutdown some overwatch before charging with the C'tans. Also I have owned this thing since 5th edition and make any excuse to include it when it isn't a huge detriment to the list. Thematically the goal of the list was to run Wraiths + C'tan to do exactly what I did to those Blood Angels. Pin something down and mortal wound it to death. I was aware though that this list would struggle hard vs flyers, I had another unrecorded game where I got completely wrecked by a 6 flyer list from Astra Militarum Scions. Thus I concluded C'tan need support to function they didn't do horrible vs the flyers the rest of the list just wasn't ready to support that at all. For that game I was testing the Zandrekh +Obyron combo with Lychguard now that it's much cheaper to execute...instant fail when I saw the wall of flyers my opponent was running.

Have you tried deciever + nightbringer + 3x Transcendant Ctans, with 6 wraiths. Whats the wraith loadout?

Looking at

Spoiler:

Am i correct in that the Nihliakh basically allows any unit to ignore screens? Even stuff that doesn't fly. SO you could have immortals or any unit (not Ctans) basically walk through enemy screens if needed. I havnt done the Nebulscope but think its good for ignores cover, not sure if its worth giving up the 5++ though. Basically targeted towards stealthy marines and stuff with cover.

You have got a lot of very fast moving units with the ctans moving upto 14", scarabs and tomb blades are super fast as well. Even the immortals are quick. Lots of mortal wounds as well.

**sieGermans**

I’m looking at trying a list with a third DDA instead of the 5th C’tan.

**tneva82**

Been thinking 2 overlord, cryptek, 3x10 tesla immortal, max 5 c'tans and 3 dda myself. 3 at vehicles, 30 tesla for horde clearing and 5 c'tans firing up tons of mw's.

Just need to get deceiver and 2 tc'tans.

**Dynas**

tneva82 wrote:
Been thinking 2 overlord, cryptek, 3x10 tesla immortal, max 5 c'tans and 3 dda myself. 3 at vehicles, 30 tesla for horde clearing and 5 c'tans firing up tons of mw's.

Just need to get deceiver and 2 tc'tans.

This is a good option as well. What dynasty, wlt, relics?

**sieGermans**

Have you guys noticed that this thread has twice as many views (1.3m) as the next highest (IG with 600k) and 3-4 times as many as the next highest? Any ideas as to why?

**vict0988**

sieGermans wrote:
Have you guys noticed that this thread has twice as many views (1.3m) as the next highest (IG with 600k) and 3-4 times as many as the next highest? Any ideas as to why?

Because Necrons are pretty popular and were trash for much of the edition and the people attending the thread love tangents and discussing things unrelated to the thread, especially how to fix the codex.

**torblind**

I posted some thread-activity statistics a while ago, essentially we blow most codexes out of the water in terms of post frequency in our tactica thread.

EDIT: Here goes: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/764596.page