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 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The problem with "run DDAs" is that I have to replace something to run them. My list is:

OL (veil, 3pts blade)
Cryptek (cloak)
10 tesla
9 tesla
18 warriors
3 scarabs
deceiver
5 destros
5 wraiths

Like, what do I even get rid off. 193 is a LOT of pts

And destroyers are still better points/performance wise even against T7 if they pop strat (Which I always do) :/

You have zero dedicated anti-tank in your list. Destroyers can do anti tank of course, but it's not what they are best at. It's hard to make a rounded list at 1500, but that's a pretty glaring weakness.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The deceiver is probably the most logical thing to drop.
You could drop the wraiths, but you might need them to engage those robots.

Or you could drop the warriors and run the immortals as MSU. Might make them susceptible to getting wiped though.

Apparently destroyers outgun the DDA if they pop the strat. I don't like relying on low chances though. Mathhammer is good on paper, but I found its unreliable in practice.

Destroyers are way more reliable. More dice = more reliable. DDA is D6 shots = all over the place.

Typically, the usual "you handle X with Y" solutions are:
GEQ = Immortals/Tomb Blades
MEQ/TEQ = Destroyers
T6+ = DDA

Granted, there are other things that match up alright, but this has been my usual rule of thumb and it hasn't failed me yet.

 skoffs wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
What about something like this.

Spoiler:

Sautekh +5 CP [1255]

HQ: Cryptek, SoL, Chrono [95] Warlord: Hyperlogical Strategist, Artefact,Veil of Darkness
HQ: Anarykr [167]
Troops: 19x Necron Warriors [228]
Troops: 10x Tesla Immortals [170]
Troops: 10x Tesla Immortals [170]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]

Nephrekh +1 CP [745]
HQ: Lord, Hypherphase Sword [76]
Fast Attack: 6x Destroyers [300]
Fast Attack: 6x Wraiths [330]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]

Total: 2000
CP: 9 ; 12 drops, (not counting any stratagems, but likely hold Destroyers in DS)

Overall pretty decent, but
Why is there a units of 3 Scarabs randomly in the Sautekh Battalion?

Because I had exactly 39 points left over. What would you change?


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-Sentinel- wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
What about something like this.

Spoiler:

Sautekh +5 CP [1255]

HQ: Cryptek, SoL, Chrono [95] Warlord: Hyperlogical Strategist, Artefact,Veil of Darkness
HQ: Anarykr [167]
Troops: 19x Necron Warriors [228]
Troops: 10x Tesla Immortals [170]
Troops: 10x Tesla Immortals [170]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]

Nephrekh +1 CP [745]
HQ: Lord, Hypherphase Sword [76]
Fast Attack: 6x Destroyers [300]
Fast Attack: 6x Wraiths [330]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]

Total: 2000
CP: 9 ; 12 drops, (not counting any stratagems, but likely hold Destroyers in DS)

Idea looks ok, but there is room for improvement IMO:
1. Lord in nephrekh dont give noone anything. Destroyers is only infantry, they already reroll everything. Put him in sautekh detach in exchange of Anrakyr. Or make him Sautekh in Nephrekh detachment. If i understand it correctly, you would lose dynasty code which is not a big deal, but you still have access to stratagem to deep strike destroyers/
2. Put scarabs into nephrekh detachment. Its 3-6 Fast attack slots.
3. IMO Anrakyr is not worth it here. Find points for Imotekh or save points by using ordinary overlord.

I have been toying with close to that concept, and while thinking about your list i found new iteration of mine, which contains all units from codexi want:

Spoiler:

Nephrekh +5 CP
HQ: Overlord (84) - Hyperphase Sword (3) [87] Warlord: Immortal Pride
HQ: Cryptek (70) - Staff of Light (10), Canoptek Cloak (5) [85] Artefact: Veil of Darkness
Troops: 10x Immortals with Tesla Carbine [170]
Troops: 10x Immortals with Tesla Carbine [170]
Troops: 20x Necron Warriors [240]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]
Fast Attack: 6x Destroyers [300]
Fast Attack: 6x Canoptek Wraith [330]

Total: 2000
CP: 8

Yeah very similar. I really like that and can actually run most of that, minus one DDA. I only have 2, but I have 9 destroyers now (10 if I proxy my D lord in the unit as regular), another 3 on the way. What would you change and replace in your list if you didnt have a 3rd DDA?

 skoffs wrote:
Typically, the usual "you handle X with Y" solutions are:
GEQ = Immortals/Tomb Blades
MEQ/TEQ = Destroyers
T6+ = DDA

Granted, there are other things that match up alright, but this has been my usual rule of thumb and it hasn't failed me yet.

Pretty much. I'd express it as:

GEQ = Tesla
MEQ/TEQ = Gauss
T6+ = Doomsday Cannon

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The problem with "run DDAs" is that I have to replace something to run them. My list is:

OL (veil, 3pts blade)
Cryptek (cloak)
10 tesla
9 tesla
18 warriors
3 scarabs
deceiver
5 destros
5 wraiths

Like, what do I even get rid off. 193 is a LOT of pts

And destroyers are still better points/performance wise even against T7 if they pop strat (Which I always do) :/

You have zero dedicated anti-tank in your list. Destroyers can do anti tank of course, but it's not what they are best at. It's hard to make a rounded list at 1500, but that's a pretty glaring weakness.

Since i play ITC, my strat is to wipe anything bellow t7 and hide. My list only gives up 2 pts so my opponent is forced to move out. And most t7+ aren't very mobile

torblind wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The deceiver is probably the most logical thing to drop.
You could drop the wraiths, but you might need them to engage those robots.

Or you could drop the warriors and run the immortals as MSU. Might make them susceptible to getting wiped though.

Apparently destroyers outgun the DDA if they pop the strat. I don't like relying on low chances though. Mathhammer is good on paper, but I found its unreliable in practice.

Destroyers are way more reliable. More dice = more reliable. DDA is D6 shots = all over the place.

You'd think so, but sometimes those 5s just aren't popping up.
That said, sticking a heavy destroyer in a squad might help out with that.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The problem with "run DDAs" is that I have to replace something to run them. My list is:

OL (veil, 3pts blade)
Cryptek (cloak)
10 tesla
9 tesla
18 warriors
3 scarabs
deceiver
5 destros
5 wraiths

Like, what do I even get rid off. 193 is a LOT of pts

And destroyers are still better points/performance wise even against T7 if they pop strat (Which I always do) :/

I am in the same boat. It just seems like Necrons cost too much.... j/k dont want to start that thread. I want to take all my cool stuff, not just some.

I would drop deceiver, maybe lower troop counts. Wraiths as a 3rd option.

OL (veil, 3pts blade)
Cryptek (cloak)
10 tesla
5 tesla
18 warriors
5 destros
4 wraiths
2 DDA

Would probably be my first list to try.

 Dynas wrote:

Yeah very similar. I really like that and can actually run most of that, minus one DDA. I only have 2, but I have 9 destroyers now (10 if I proxy my D lord in the unit as regular), another 3 on the way. What would you change and replace in your list if you didnt have a 3rd DDA?

I would try this if you have CCB:


or this if you dont:



Also replacing DDA and some warriors with Deceiver might work, but personally i dont like him.

-Sentinel- wrote:

 Dynas wrote:

Yeah very similar. I really like that and can actually run most of that, minus one DDA. I only have 2, but I have 9 destroyers now (10 if I proxy my D lord in the unit as regular), another 3 on the way. What would you change and replace in your list if you didnt have a 3rd DDA?

I would try this if you have CCB:

Spoiler:

Nephrekh +5 CP
HQ: Catacomb Command Barge (138) - Heavy Gauss Cannon (20), Staff of Light (10) [168] Artefact: Lightning Field
HQ: Cryptek (70) - Staff of Light (10), Canoptek Cloak (5) [85] Warlord: Immortal Pride, Artefact: Veil of Darkness
Troops: 10x Immortals with Tesla Carbine [170]
Troops: 10x Immortals with Tesla Carbine [170]
Troops: 20x Necron Warriors [240]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Fast Attack: 5x Destroyers [250]
Fast Attack: 5x Destroyers [250]
Fast Attack: 5x Canoptek Wraith [275]

Total: 1994
CP: 8

or this if you dont:

Spoiler:

Nephrekh +5 CP
HQ: Overlord (84) - Hyperphase Sword (3) [87] Warlord: Immortal Pride
HQ: Cryptek (70) - Staff of Light (10) [80] Artefact: Veil of Darkness
Troops: 10x Immortals with Tesla Carbine [170]
Troops: 10x Immortals with Tesla Carbine [170]
Troops: 18x Necron Warriors [216]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]


Nephrekh +1 CP
HQ: Lord (73) - Hyperphase Sword (3) [76]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]
Fast Attack: 5x Destroyers [250]
Fast Attack: 5x Destroyers [250]
Fast Attack: 5x Canoptek Wraith [275]

Total: 1999
CP: 9

Also replacing DDA and some warriors with Deceiver might work, but personally i dont like him.

I have a deceiver too. I can try that. I dont have the CCB so I think the 2nd list will be the way to go.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The problem with "run DDAs" is that I have to replace something to run them. My list is:

OL (veil, 3pts blade)
Cryptek (cloak)
10 tesla
9 tesla
18 warriors
3 scarabs
deceiver
5 destros
5 wraiths

Like, what do I even get rid off. 193 is a LOT of pts

And destroyers are still better points/performance wise even against T7 if they pop strat (Which I always do) :/

Well, the reason I run them is not just for the offensive capability, it's the survivability as well. Being able to hang back the first two critical turns and still pump out damage is huge. Generally the stuff that can reach them has a hard time getting through QS.

Hi everyone!

I am a new 40k player in the UK and trying to build an army with Necrons while discovering the game.
The friend who introduced me does not know the Necrons at all so his advice is quite limited in this matter.

Before someone starts telling me off, I have been reading this thread for a few days now and my head is spinning...
I understand there is no perfect army, that there are armies made for competition (list with 17 destroyers and 5 DDA?!) but it is very difficult to know where to start.

I would appreciate if someone would leave some comments on few points :-)

Currently I have:

I have a lot of small units but not enough to really do an impact.

Here are the questions

1.HQs
I wanted to get another HQ but so many contradictive opinions out there. On the first message on this post the HQ are rated but when looking at everyone's list in the 100 pages of this thread it looks like nobody really uses anyone but Cryptek, Overlord and eventually Imotek (even though even this last one has mixed reviews).
I thought Nemesor was interesting with his anti-buff but it is rarely mentioned.
I also thought people would use Szeras instead of a Cryptek. I am sure I am missing something.

2.Deathmark
I was very disappointed with their performances but I realize now after reading the whole thread that using them as snipers to kill Characters is not really a viable option.
Duly noted.

3.Tomb blades? Immortals?
Tomb blades? Destroyers? Wraiths?
At the beginning of the thread some people seemed very keen on the Tomb Blades but now at the end it is all about the destroyers.
I understand they are used for a different purpose but I don't think Tomb Blades a lot at all.

4.Recommendation?
This is where I would love some help.
I understand there is no perfect answer, it depends on what I want to play but I don't want to put myself in a corner and go completely wrong.

I was expecting to buy:


I know it is a long message... but hopefully, you still have some tolerance about for n00bs ;-)
So... any bits of advice? comments?

P.S: if you know of a good spot to meet and play some games in London, please do tell

StarsKekkai wrote:
Hi everyone!

I am a new 40k player in the UK and trying to build an army with Necrons while discovering the game.
The friend who introduced me does not know the Necrons at all so his advice is quite limited in this matter.

Before someone starts telling me off, I have been reading this thread for a few days now and my head is spinning...
I understand there is no perfect army, that there are armies made for competition (list with 17 destroyers and 5 DDA?!) but it is very difficult to know where to start.

I would appreciate if someone would leave some comments on few points :-)

Currently I have:

Spoiler:

1x Overload

24x Warriors

6x Scarabs

5x Deathmarks

3x Wraiths

1x Doomsday Ark or Ghost Ark (magnetized)

1x Triarch Stalker

3x Destroyers

I have a lot of small units but not enough to really do an impact.

Here are the questions

1.HQs
I wanted to get another HQ but so many contradictive opinions out there. On the first message on this post the HQ are rated but when looking at everyone's list in the 100 pages of this thread it looks like nobody really uses anyone but Cryptek, Overlord and eventually Imotek (even though even this last one has mixed reviews).
I thought Nemesor was interesting with his anti-buff but it is rarely mentioned.
I also thought people would use Szeras instead of a Cryptek. I am sure I am missing something.

2.Deathmark
I was very disappointed with their performances but I realize now after reading the whole thread that using them as snipers to kill Characters is not really a viable option.
Duly noted.

3.Tomb blades? Immortals?
Tomb blades? Destroyers? Wraiths?
At the beginning of the thread some people seemed very keen on the Tomb Blades but now at the end it is all about the destroyers.
I understand they are used for a different purpose but I don't think Tomb Blades a lot at all.

4.Recommendation?
This is where I would love some help.
I understand there is no perfect answer, it depends on what I want to play but I don't want to put myself in a corner and go completely wrong.

I was expecting to buy:

Spoiler:

C'tan Nightbringer: I know deceiver might be more fun in terms of strategy but the model is really appealing; I will get the deceiver later down the road)

10x Immortals: more infantry. So I could have a blob of 20 warriors and 10 immortals

3x wraith or 3x destroyer or 6x Tomb blades: this is the tricky one. In the previous games that I've played my 3 wraiths were not enough against units of intercessors, Wulfens. It feels like I would need 6 of either destroyers or 6 wraiths

I know it is a long message... but hopefully, you still have some tolerance about for n00bs ;-)
So... any bits of advice? comments?

P.S: if you know of a good spot to meet and play some games in London, please do tell

Welcome to the hobby!/Army!

1. Immotek is really expensive, and I'd say Nemesor is very niche, though i love the fluff for both. I'd suggest a cryptek, a lord, or an overlord, you get very similar ability, for much less points tax.

2.Deathmarks - Really only decent with Mephrit -1 armor pen, Skip them.

3. Yes. All of the units you mentioned are some of the best in the dex. You cannot go wrong with them really. Wraiths are very good at CC, Tomb Blades are fast with decent firepower, and destroyers hit like a ton of bricks with the extermination protocols strategem.

4. For starters, I'd get the Immortals, Wraiths, Destroyers, and Tomb Blades over time. I run all of them, in 99% of my lists, they will not steer you wrong if played correctly. Otherwise, the Doomsday Ark is our #1 vehicle, and provides good ranged anti-tank.

deathmarks are our only free ranged deepstriker though.
Well, unless you want to field the monolith.
Free is the operative word in that statement. Stratagems are not free.

How reliable are deepstriking flayed ones? A 9" charge feels risky. Possible, but risky.

 Dynas wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 Dynas wrote:
What about something like this.

Spoiler:

Sautekh +5 CP [1255]

HQ: Cryptek, SoL, Chrono [95] Warlord: Hyperlogical Strategist, Artefact,Veil of Darkness
HQ: Anarykr [167]
Troops: 19x Necron Warriors [228]
Troops: 10x Tesla Immortals [170]
Troops: 10x Tesla Immortals [170]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Heavy Support: Doomsday Ark [193]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]

Nephrekh +1 CP [745]
HQ: Lord, Hypherphase Sword [76]
Fast Attack: 6x Destroyers [300]
Fast Attack: 6x Wraiths [330]
Fast Attack: 3x Canoptek Scarabs [39]

Total: 2000
CP: 9 ; 12 drops, (not counting any stratagems, but likely hold Destroyers in DS)

Overall pretty decent, but
Why is there a units of 3 Scarabs randomly in the Sautekh Battalion?

Because I had exactly 39 points left over. What would you change?

I'm not saying spending the points on Scarabs is bad. I'm saying they really should be in Nephrekh where they can benefit from the code (as Sautekh does nothing for them). Two units of 3, or one of 6. Either should be fine, but the two of 3 gives you more flexibility (to go after objectives or screen).

On a side note. I'm really struggling to get a Tvault into a list
It's such a huge point sink that removes valuable things from an army list (like 1.5 units of destroyers). I put hh deciever in to move it up the board on turn 1.here is my stab in the dark..

Sn33R wrote:
On a side note. I'm really struggling to get a Tvault into a list
It's such a huge point sink that removes valuable things from an army list (like 1.5 units of destroyers). I put hh deciever in to move it up the board on turn 1.here is my stab in the dark..

Spoiler:

### Battalion Detachment +5CP (Necrons) ###

#### No Force Org Slot ####
* **[Reference] Powers of the C'tan (All)**
* **[Reference] Warlord Traits (All)**
* **Dynasty Choice**

Dynasty: Sautekh
* **Use Beta Rules**


#### HQ ####
* **Cryptek**

Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light
* **Overlord**

Artefact: The Veil of Darkness, Staff of Light
* **Warlord**

Warlord Trait (Sautekh): Hyperlogical Strategist

#### Troops ####
* **Immortals**

Gauss Blaster, 5x Immortal
* **Immortals**

5x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
* **Immortals**

Gauss Blaster, 5x Immortal

#### Elites ####
* **C'tan Shard of the Deceiver**


#### Fast Attack ####
* **Canoptek Wraiths**
* **3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils**

3x Whip Coils
* **Destroyers**
* **5x Destroyer**

5x Gauss Cannon

#### Heavy Support ####
* **Doomsday Ark**
* **Doomsday Ark**


### Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Necrons) ###

#### Lord of War ####
* **Tesseract Vault**

Please be considerate and spoiler long lists.

You can't have wraith, destroyer and the vault. Drop one of first two, and use the points on the other unit. It's better to have one large unit than two small ones.

Rofl whipcoils. One of the worst upgrades in the game

I wouldn't say its the worst, but its certainly overpriced.
If you have to die to use it, it shouldn't cost 10+ points.

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Rofl whipcoils. One of the worst upgrades in the game

I still think the Rez Orb holds that title. 35pts to reroll 1's on RP for a single unit once per game.

 EnTyme wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Rofl whipcoils. One of the worst upgrades in the game

I still think the Rez Orb holds that title. 35pts to reroll 1's on RP for a single unit once per game.

Ressurection Orb let's you roll RP again for a unit. So it's 5+, 'rerolling'. Or 4+ near a Cryptek.

In fact, you can use the strategem to get the rerolling 1's for both the 'regular' RP and the one from the Orb.

The best RP you can get from a unit is near a Cryptek, with the Orb of Eternity and the Enhanced Reanimation Protocols stratagem. This results in a 4+, rerolling 1's, followed by a 3+, rerolling 1's.

Doctoralex wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Rofl whipcoils. One of the worst upgrades in the game

I still think the Rez Orb holds that title. 35pts to reroll 1's on RP for a single unit once per game.

Ressurection Orb let's you roll RP again for a unit. So it's 5+, 'rerolling'. Or 4+ near a Cryptek.

In fact, you can use the strategem to get the rerolling 1's for both the 'regular' RP and the one from the Orb.

The best RP you can get from a unit is near a Cryptek, with the Orb of Eternity and the Enhanced Reanimation Protocols stratagem. This results in a 4+, rerolling 1's, followed by a 3+, rerolling 1's.

Guess I confused the orb with the stratagem. In either case, 35 pts is too expensive for a single reroll for a single unit.

And if it brings back 2 Destroyers or 2 Wraiths? Still too expensive?

It's not great, but its not complete gak either.

Still a situational item for its price. The earlier res orbs were much better.

Considering how many other things you need to be able to reliably bring back two of either of those units, yes. It's too expensive. RP is too unreliable. For 35 pts, I could have two extra Immortals or an extra Tomb Blade, or nearly three Scarabs.

MarkM wrote:
And if it brings back 2 Destroyers or 2 Wraiths? Still too expensive?

It's not great, but its not complete gak either.

Its a 55% chance (probability of rolling a 5+ with a reroll) of bringing back a destroyer, and it can only bring back wraiths if you burn 2CP.
If you have a cryptek it becomes a 75% chance. Those aren't good odds for a single use 35pt item.
I would have preferred it if it were +1 to RP. The relic would have granted rerolls for a single turn, whilst still having the bonus to RP at all times.

 EnTyme wrote:
Considering how many other things you need to be able to reliably bring back two of either of those units, yes. It's too expensive. RP is too unreliable. For 35 pts, I could have two extra Immortals or an extra Tomb Blade, or nearly three Scarabs.

Agree completely.
I build lists assuming I will fail every RP roll (so anybody I do get back is a nice surprise).
Instead of putting points into unit defense I prefer to devote those points to putting more models on the table.
Usually pans out.

 EnTyme wrote:
Considering how many other things you need to be able to reliably bring back two of either of those units, yes. It's too expensive. RP is too unreliable. For 35 pts, I could have two extra Immortals or an extra Tomb Blade, or nearly three Scarabs.

This. 35 pts is just bonkers. People are usually defending it with ideal situation, but that rarely happens... With RP its much more important to have more bodies to keep unit "alive" than hope for 5+ roll at not wiped unit. Its 35 doing nothing, just waiting for one unreliable roll.