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hazefrog wrote: Not a SoB player myself, but I'm glad to see that an army which needed updating is getting new models. I do hope the new range is large enough to field a proper SoB army and that SoB players are satisfied with their new toys.
I'm expecting a Harlequin or Genestealer Cult level 'update'. I'd be happy with that. Sisters squad, Seraphim, Immolator and a character or two on top of Celestine. I think hoping for anything beyond that is opening yourself up for disappointment.
hazefrog wrote: Not a SoB player myself, but I'm glad to see that an army which needed updating is getting new models. I do hope the new range is large enough to field a proper SoB army and that SoB players are satisfied with their new toys.
I'm expecting a Harlequin or Genestealer Cult level 'update'. I'd be happy with that. Sisters squad, Seraphim, Immolator and a character or two on top of Celestine. I think hoping for anything beyond that is opening yourself up for disappointment.
I'm thinking more Mechanicus, maybe Death Guard if they throw in a suite of characters. They're an Imperial army afterall, so no matter what they'll sell bucket loads by virtue of being allies.
The key difference from Harlies or GSC is that those two were a 'new' army. Harlequins had a single unit, GSC had none (excluding those borrowed from Tyranids and Guard). Meanwhile, SoB have - despite it's age - an existing range already, some of which can be re-purposed without much issue (Rhino obviously, Exorcist has aged at least as well as the Predator, Celestine obviously).
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Galas wrote: At least for me, Repentia should look less like this:
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And more like this:
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Exactly!!!
Manchu wrote: Is there any room for sex appeal? I think so. First, because a big part of 40k is the twisted, hyper-parodic exaggeration of early modern Christian religious fanaticism, including latent hang ups about sexiness and carnality.
Early modern Christianity was about naked sexy women! You heard it here first people. It wasn't about naked sexy men though. All about naked sexy women.
Sex is what happens when some naked sexy women is ogled by some average 40k player, don't you forget about it!
I'd rather get something like the penitents from the 7th seal but well I guess those aren't representative of early modern Christian religious fanaticism…
Seriously look at this:
It's so much no 40k appropriate that they even carry a skull! Could you imagine a skull in 40k? No, rather look up some pinup book for inspiration…
H.B.M.C. wrote: Good to see the Sisters pity party continues, even with the announcement of them coming out.
"Hey if I look from this angle and I close one eye and I block everyone saying positive things and I pretend that this one person is actually 10 different people, it's totally a pity party guys! Please, someone agrees with me I feel so alone!”
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Sqorgar wrote: With all due respect, there's no way that an open Sisters design process won't be a lightning rod for the boob armor/high heel debate.
What open design process? I've only skimmed this thread but to me it looks like GW will show some of the stuff that already further along so people get something to see because the range has been neglected for a long time. Does anybody really thing they'll go back and re-cut moulds that cost thousands/tend of thousands just because somebody complains about some parts on the internet? I don't think this'll be anything besides a little PR feature to fill their blog and to draw attention and create demand until the actual release, nothing more. GW is a publicly traded company, not an Etsy store. From the blog post:
Yup, plastic Sisters of Battle are on their way. For reals.
We know many of you have been waiting patiently (and impatiently…) for a long time for the Adepta Sororitas, and that for many of you this is more than ‘just’ a new army. So, we’re going to do something we’ve never done before – right up until the release, we’ll be bringing you updates on the Sisters of Battle, sharing images and snippets of info and a whole ton of behind the scenes goodness.
Emperor willing, the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas will be ready to take the fight to the renegade, the heretic and the unbeliever in 2019.
That's just GW PR talk for: Previews until we release them at some point in 2019
So they finally get around to making the army in plastic at current pricing, which is out of my budget. Oh, well. Guess this dream falls to the wayside as well.
None whatsoever. We'll get a CAD preview of a plastic Sister eight to ten months from now. Then some rules snippets. Then the release will happen.
GW won't be asking anyone about anything concerning their design process.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Early modern Christianity was about naked sexy women! You heard it here first people. It wasn't about naked sexy men though. All about naked sexy women.
You managed to quote a post without reading it. Impressive.
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GW has implied that they will share and report on the design/ development process, which in itself is going to be interesting to observe. Whether they will actually let suggestions from the community influence the design process, is uncertain. With GW it has never been the case before, but maybe the community survey shook things up a bit.
If GW decide to involve the community in the design process, I'm pretty sure they'll put it to a vote. For example, voting for your favourite two concepts, with 5-6 concept drawings to choose from. I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour, but if the majority voted for a particular style, they might take that into account.
Zingraff wrote: GW has implied that they will share and report on the design/ development process, which in itself is going to be interesting to observe. Whether they will actually let suggestions from the community influence the design process, is uncertain. With GW it has never been the case before, but maybe the community survey shook things up a bit.
If GW decide to involve the community in the design process, I'm pretty sure they'll put it to a vote. For example, voting for your favourite two concepts, with 5-6 concept drawings to choose from. I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour, but if the majority voted for a particular style, they might take that into account.
GW takes no interest in the communities suggestions for rules, I don't expect this to change for models.
Zingraff wrote: I don't expect them to pay much attention to vocal proponents of flat boots and "practical" armour,
All Sisters models except a very recent one had flat boots, flat boots are part of their design since the very start, I hate it when people like you want to change established things for political reasons lo .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Mario wrote: What open design process? I've only skimmed this thread but to me it looks like GW will show some of the stuff that already further along so people get something to see because the range has been neglected for a long time. Does anybody really thing they'll go back and re-cut moulds that cost thousands/tend of thousands just because somebody complains about some parts on the internet? I don't think this'll be anything besides a little PR feature to fill their blog and to draw attention and create demand until the actual release, nothing more. GW is a publicly traded company, not an Etsy store.
I don't think GW will do anything wrong (their models have been amazing). But if they give off the impression that the images they are sharing are a work in progress (here's the model designs, still a year off from production), people will think that they can still change the outcome. And worse still, when the outcome doesn't change, they'll be incensed that GW doesn't listen to their fans. Even if they don't think they can change them, increasing the amount of time that people can complain about them will make things worse. Usually, people complain, but as soon as the product is out (and people buy it), that whine fizzles out.
I don't know if you've been paying attention to what has been happening in Magic: The Gathering, pen and paper rpgs, video games, comic books, young adult fiction, science fiction awards, open source software development, search engine interoffice email suggestions, or whatever else, but nerds are being treated like nerds again.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
I don't know if you've been paying attention to what has been happening in Magic: The Gathering, pen and paper rpgs, video games, comic books, young adult fiction, science fiction awards, open source software development, search engine interoffice email suggestions, or whatever else, but nerds are being treated like nerds again.
More like entitled children are throwing tantrums again.
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I'd love a Sanctuary 101 box
With some nice scenery like a shrine, or even just an altar objective marker - has GW done scenery and units in the same box that wasn't a faction vs faction box?
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Like the main studio's ever given a damn about what BL does.
And on purpose. It was a creative decision made in the early days of BL to have BL (or even every BL writer's own mini-40K) basically be a "variant Universe"/Ultimate 40K/whatever to have creative freedom.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I can't imagine GW abandoning the core imagery of the Sisters to appease the Tumblr/Twitter crowd.
With how loud some of "those who must not be named" people and groups can be, my fears is that GW tries to appease them by changing the SoB into something that they are not. It all starts with one very slight minor change and then just like chaos it infects and mutates from there and becomes a chaos spawn abomination.
If i'm not wrong if GW sticks to the classic aesthetic of the SoB that could realistically please the most people.
In general when 40k players think sisters of battle, that image right there is among the first things that they think of. If GW doesn't stray to far from that general aesthetic and add in some flavor and variety in the small details, bling and armor decoration that is seen in the SM, BA, and SW tactical kits. I will be satisfied and most likely it would probably satisfy the majority of players wanting plastic sisters of battle.
I dont think you are going to get Power Armour for three different convents like Marines get for Chapters.
You will probably get the Tactical/Assault/Devastator/Sternguard in varities of bling and type of bling, and character packs.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
With some nice scenery like a shrine, or even just an altar objective marker - has GW done scenery and units in the same box that wasn't a faction vs faction box?
Yes and No. In recent time the only one that I can think of is the inital Necromunda release and Shadow Wars Armegedon. In the past the...3rd...(SM vs DE) box had some terrain in it, and the Battle for Mecrage has some pretty great terrain in it. Would love for a Sanctuary 101 box though with a shrine/alter objective marker that fits on a 32mm or 40mm base, not to big and not too small.
The aesthetic of the new sisters is already pretty set is it not?
The new Celestine is very much in line with the style of the old sisters. I can't imagine that they will stray too far from that. I hope they keep the design of the helmets. It was one of my favourite things about the old range.
It's astounding to see such frothing at the mouth about these "SJWs" and "Feminists" who are supposedly ruining everything, yet aforementioned ruiners are nowhere to be seen. As usual. Because they don't exist.
Frozen Ocean wrote: It's astounding to see such frothing at the mouth about these "SJWs" and "Feminists" who are supposedly ruining everything, yet aforementioned ruiners are nowhere to be seen. As usual. Because they don't exist.
If I didn't fear the wrath of mods I'd link you to a number of websites/ facebook groups that are filled with "those" people. They exist. Talking to some of them I thought they were just playing a part, but after a while you know they are serious.
Crazyterran wrote: I dont think you are going to get Power Armour for three different convents like Marines get for Chapters.
You will probably get the Tactical/Assault/Devastator/Sternguard in varities of bling and type of bling, and character packs.
No, no, I'm not advocating for getting kits for different covenants (would be sweet though). Space marines (and the snowflake chapters) are simply the best example for the amount and level of bling and decoration that I would love to see displayed in the plastic SoB kits. I'm talking about the variety and decoration that you can get in a single kit, even the base current SMtac squad kit has some veriety. Best example would be the decoration on the chest plates and back packs of the tac marine squad. I'm not wanting plastic kits for different covenants, I want to see similar level of decoration, bling, and details that we see in some of the more recent plastic releases (for example SM's) and the variety that they can display in a single squad. The big part is variety because if you get enough of the current metal SoB you will be able to make full squads of the same sculpt because there is only about a handful of sculpts for the basic bolter sister. Would love to see the plastic SoB kits come out and have a similar level of customization and variety that you can get in the current BA or SW's kits, realistically I can see the base SMtac squad as an example of how much variety one could expect in the plastic SoB kits.
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(tac marine sprew) while most of the chests have the standard mk7 chest you can see a couple that don't and instead have power cables or a skull, even the back packs have slight variation. Some blank, skull, power vent, ect.
BAtac marine sprew has even more variation and decoration
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SW even more so
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Chikout wrote: The aesthetic of the new sisters is already pretty set is it not?
The new Celestine is very much in line with the style of the old sisters. I can't imagine that they will stray too far from that. I hope they keep the design of the helmets. It was one of my favourite things about the old range.
Agreed, love the helmets and I hope GW includes enough heads to get a combination of bare heads, mixed, all helmets.
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With some nice scenery like a shrine, or even just an altar objective marker - has GW done scenery and units in the same box that wasn't a faction vs faction box?
Yes and No. In recent time the only one that I can think of is the inital Necromunda release and Shadow Wars Armegedon. In the past the...3rd...(SM vs DE) box had some terrain in it, and the Battle for Mecrage has some pretty great terrain in it. Would love for a Sanctuary 101 box though with a shrine/alter objective marker that fits on a 32mm or 40mm base, not to big and not too small.
The original Sisters of Battle box actually came with a small shrine.
Frozen Ocean wasn't saying that feminists don't exist. He was saying that these "scary feminists" that so many people here are afraid will ruin everything aren't actually showing their heads here at all. But that hasn't stopped dozens and dozens of people from complaining about them for page after page as if they're about to show up with pitchforks.
But you knew that already. You just like being a troll
What I do see here is a lot of people saying "It would be nice if some of the more sexualized elements and semi-questionable elements of the range were toned down a bit while keeping the core themes and established style of the army." Which is a pretty reasonable position. And there are a lot of people here who are reasonably agreeing or disagreeing with that, which is fine. reasonable discussion is good. But theres also a lot of people here who are having kind of a tantrum over just the idea being discussed, and even more people who are acting like there's some kind of feminist gestapo that is going to burst down Games Workshop's doors and force them to make something that no one wants. Frankly, the amount of "Oh no, SJWs/feminists/tumbr is out to get us" comments here is kind of embarrassing.
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Well if you mean a vast conspiracy to make “boy”s things” unfun, then no they don’t.
Combat heels and boob plate are legitimate concerns—in a game that purports to be realistic. Luckily we are talking about 40K, so...
What many of these young MRAs miss is the context of most of 40K, which was that it was model driven and a lot of late 80s and early 90s model design was personal and not within the context of the 40K narrative. Sisters exist because Jes Goodwin was a goth and drew that aesthetic to a singular space nun picture in Rogue Trader. In fact even that link is tenuous. But bottom line is Jes makes a small force of figures in homage to Souxsie Souix and then someone had to figure out a place for them in 40K.
Most people get it wrong that figures are sculpted to fit into 40K. The design interviews show that to this day the sculptor has lots of leeway on the interpretation of “Puritan inquisitor”. I find recent arrivals to the 40K party have this weird belief that 40K is written in stone and sacrosanct. It’s a WIP as it always has been, enjoy the ride.
Well if you mean a vast conspiracy to make “boy”s things” unfun, then no they don’t.
Combat heels and boob plate are legitimate concerns—in a game that purports to be realistic. Luckily we are talking about 40K, so...
What many of these young MRAs
I stopped reading here. Using "MRAs" as a way to group up a bunch of people who's opinions you disagree with then you're as bad as the people who use "SJWs" as a boogyman.
Incidentally I don't think feminism REALLY cares about 40k or the representation of women in it or wether or not Sisters have boob plate and the alleged combat heel (that Sisters don't actually have). The people who make a stink about it are people who saw how much attention and money Sarkeesian got from her video game sexism scam and want their own niche. Women have been into 40k for as long as I can remember being in the hobby (25ish years now).
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