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So my brother and I were droning on about this some more...and the trailer hints at way too many awful tropes which could make this a forgettable film.
1) The government is going to be the bad guy or a serious antagonist....fething yawn.
2) There's an attractive female, who, unlike the first film...will probably introduce a totally unwarranted love story amidst what should be a thriller/action movie...fething yawn.
3) "Protect the kids and the innocents", always giving the bad guy a soft target makes the film worse. Predator was great because we were shown had bad-ass and competent the squad was...and they were scared/running from the beast.
4) Cringy one-liners. Despite the fun we all have at the expense of "get to da choppa!" the first film had some really solid writing. The squad on many occasions communicated properly, etc. and one liners were minimal and not cringy.
5) America. If this takes place in America, even worse...some god awful suburb, that's just a let down and lazy film making. We live on a fascinating planet with amazing scenery and places to film an alien-based thriller. Don't do it in suburbia. (really? Macon, Georgia...)
I want this film to be good, I really do. The lead actor doesn't score well with me...nor does the trailer. I just want to be proven wrong soooo badly.
Elbows wrote: So my brother and I were droning on about this some more...and the trailer hints at way too many awful tropes which could make this a forgettable film.
1) The government is going to be the bad guy or a serious antagonist....fething yawn.
You mean like Predator 2?
2) There's an attractive female, who, unlike the first film...will probably introduce a totally unwarranted love story amidst what should be a thriller/action movie...fething yawn.
That's fair.
3) "Protect the kids and the innocents", always giving the bad guy a soft target makes the film worse. Predator was great because we were shown had bad-ass and competent the squad was...and they were scared/running from the beast.
It was also a team unaware of the Predator, this team seems to have experience with them, so 'raising' the stakes for the main character is somewhat warranted. Besides it hits a parent fear button. Sure theres the fear of being hunted by something unstoppable, but now that something unstoppable is going after your kid.
4) Cringy one-liners. Despite the fun we all have at the expense of "get to da choppa!" the first film had some really solid writing. The squad on many occasions communicated properly, etc. and one liners were minimal and not cringy.
"Stick Around." "Knock Knock." "I aint got time to bleed." "One ugly motherfether."
5) America. If this takes place in America, even worse...some god awful suburb, that's just a let down and lazy film making. We live on a fascinating planet with amazing scenery and places to film an alien-based thriller. Don't do it in suburbia. (really? Macon, Georgia...)
Well it follows the unofficial trend of Predator movies. Wildlands - Urban. ie; Predator, Jungles of South America. Predator 2, Gangland LA. AvP, Antarctica. AvP:R, Colorado. Predators, Forrest World. The Predator, Suburban America.
I want this film to be good, I really do. The lead actor doesn't score well with me...nor does the trailer. I just want to be proven wrong soooo badly.
Then just dont over think it, and try to go in expecting at the very least to be entertained for a couple hours.
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Yeah, this looks like schlock but then again I am not going to a Predator movie for art. (That first one was just lightning in a bottle.)
I read someone over at AVPGalaxy making the point that even if the movie is bad he will appreciate if it develops the franchise. I can see that, but then again ... Prometheus and Covenant "developed" the Alien franchise ...
One thing I really liked about AVP is it followed the lead of the video games. Basically, the people who had to make a viable, saleable game had some good ideas (like relateable preds) and the producers were smart enough to recognize that. By contrast, the super preds in Predators (overall, a very good film) seemed like the wrong direction to me.
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Elbows wrote: The lead actor doesn't score well with me...
I strongly agree here. He seems like the kind of guy that casting directors have entire filing cabinets full of.
Here's what Thomas Jane has said about the plot:
We play these veterans from like Afghanistan, Iraq war or whatever. But we’re all fething crazy so we go to the VA hospital to get our meds. We’re all like shellshocked, PTSD…soldiers. We’re at the VA hospital and we’re in group therapy and of course, somebody flips out…this is backstory, I don’t think we really see this…somebody flips out and we all get arrested and get thrown onto the bus to go down to the hospital and they throw this other guy on the bus too.
And he’s a guy they’ve actually marked to kill him because he’s seen a UFO, he’s seen the Predator ships come down so they lock him up and throw him in with us lunatics. They’re going to take that bus, drive it down to a ditch and shoot us all just to get rid of this one guy. But, of course, we take the bus over and we’re all like “feth that man, let’s go kill these fething Predators ourselves” and we’re just crazy enough to believe that this guy really did see a UFO and there’s these aliens out there. So that’s kinda cool!
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I liked the first AvP. Did not care for the second. Did not realize there were “super” predators in the last movie, just thought they were different clans with different aesthetics. Still looking forward to this.
AduroT wrote: I liked the first AvP. Did not care for the second. Did not realize there were “super” predators in the last movie, just thought they were different clans with different aesthetics. Still looking forward to this.
You are not the first person i have seen with this opinion. I don't understand it at all.
Avp had the worst aliens who didn't act like aliens. The dumbest humans. And the dumbest preds.
Their nets, not acid proof. Their knife, acid proof. Their armor, not acid proof. You wake up from being unconscious without your mask while hunting aliens and don't immediately know you've been face huggered? Also the gestation period for the embryos was like... 15 minutes.
At least in avp are the aliens acted like aliens and the pred acted like a pred and the humans were just in the way. Plus we got to see a stage of the alien biology we never saw before in the form of a premature queen trying to establish a hive.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Why would I watch this when I can watch Predator? Why do they keep making Terminator movies? Alien movies? Remember when there were new things, rather than just ripping off classics?
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AduroT wrote: I liked the first AvP. Did not care for the second. Did not realize there were “super” predators in the last movie, just thought they were different clans with different aesthetics. Still looking forward to this.
You are not the firat person i haveseen withthis opinion. I dont understand it at all.
Avp had the worst aliens who didnt act like aliens. The dumbest humans. And the dumbest preds.
Their nets, not acid proof. Their knife, acid proof. Their armor, not acid proof. You wake up from being unconcious without your mask while hunting aliens and dont imediatly know youve been face huggered?
Also the gestation period for the embryos was like... 15 minutes.
At least in avp are the aliens acted like aliens and the pred acted like a pred and the humans were just in the way. Plus we got to see a stage of the alien biology we never saw before in the form of a premature queen trying to establish a hive.
It wasnt a premature Queen, it was a Pred-Alien. A very different one to any Pred-Alien mentioned in any other works. I don't remember them ever being able to plant Xenomorphs in people before that movie.
There is no actual such thing as a pred alien just like there is no such thing as a hum alien. There are aliens. They take genetic matieral from their hosts.
The pred alien was the oldest alien around and when that happens they can begin to molt into a queen. Thats why it injected embryos. It wasnt at a egg laying stage yet. But it was developing a crest, was bigger, more intelligent, and commanding all the other drones.
It tried to build a hive in the sewers. Then the construction site. Then the hospital, then got tired of the predators gak.
Being born from a pred does not make it impossible to be a queen. That was absolutely a premature queen we saw in that movie.
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Except all those times in the other Aliens vs Predator material where the Facehugger's impregnation of other species makes all Drones the same as the ones which come from Humans.
The only two times, other than toys, where I can think of a Xenomorph taking specific traits from a host would be the Runner (Alien 3) and the PredAlien (AvP:R and AvP2).
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Except all those times in the other Aliens vs Predator material where the Facehugger's impregnation of other species makes all Drones the same as the ones which come from Humans.
The only two times, other than toys, where I can think of a Xenomorph taking specific traits from a host would be the Runner (Alien 3) and the PredAlien (AvP:R and AvP2).
Right. All the tons of not cannon expanded material thats full of nonsensical bull crap.
The expanded novels and comics are so all over the shop on what does what and what doesnt that none of it can be taken for anything. The movies themselves also have odd holes in the canon but are much more consistent.
At the very least, if there is a pred alien that was born and not a genetic experiment then your dealing with aliens that take dna from hosts. Otherwise it would have been a regular drone. The movies at least are consistent in that.
And again, bigger, crest, problem solving smart, trying to build a hive, commanding drones/warriors, able to produce embryos = queen.
The avpr pred alien was a queen to be.
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LordofHats wrote: Not even sure how Thor 2 can be the worst when there was a Thor 1. Thor 1 was bad. Not that Thor 2 was great but yeah Thor 1 was worse in my book XD
The first two Thor films were great - Mst Portman the delcious icing on the cake Third one was disjointed but fun.
All so much Better than the Cap A 1 which was IMO the worst Marvel film since Iron Man - when the good films started.
Iron Man 3 was ok - again far better than Cap A 1
Enjoyed Predators immensely - hopefully this will be as good
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I liked the Pred Alien, I don’t mind it being a young queen, I hated it bypassing the egg and face hugger stage and just spawning dozens and dozens of drones directly. If that’s possible then why ever bother with the eggs and huggers in the first place?
As far as the first one, idiot balls are a standard thing in movies and not a thing i bother questioning anymore. The Pred probably knew it had been hugged but there is likely not much he could do about it on the ground and didn’t survive to tell the others. Different things being acid proof or not is a matter of the demands of their material contruction. Armor should be though, yes. I don’t recall anything acting terribly out of character.
AduroT wrote: I liked the Pred Alien, I don’t mind it being a young queen, I hated it bypassing the egg and face hugger stage and just spawning dozens and dozens of drones directly. If that’s possible then why ever bother with the eggs and huggers in the first place?
Because a queen that has to run around and personally make every drone is a queen thats constantly put in danger. Once it builds up a quick escalating hive (which it did very quickly building a small army of drones) and secures a hive it can create the egg chamber and mount itself in the middle and let the drones bring subdued hosts to it. It's safer and keeps the queen safe.
But before you get there. Before the queen has the infrastructure needed to establish the egg chamber and begin laying mass amounts of eggs. The young queen needs a way to produce drones fast and get that hive built. Thats what we watched though that entire movie.
As far as the first one, idiot balls are a standard thing in movies and not a thing i bother questioning anymore. The Pred probably knew it had been hugged but there is likely not much he could do about it on the ground and didn’t survive to tell the others. Different things being acid proof or not is a matter of the demands of their material contruction. Armor should be though, yes. I don’t recall anything acting terribly out of character.
The pred that got face hugged had a nuke strapped to his arm he could have used to blow up the whole temple when everything went wrong. The only reason not to is if he thinks hes going to survive. And if he got face huggered then hes not going to survive.
The alien drones were intelligent. Like... human intelligent. To the point that one got it's tail cut off and figured out the physics for launching splashes of acid. Also when they wanted to free the queen they attacked the queen instead of attacking themselves. If an alien needed to get acid onto the restraints to free the queen they would have turned on each other instead of harming the queen.
Also go back and watch that scene where the alien stabs it's tail through the pred and lifts him up. That tail is like.... 20 feet longer than it should be. It has to turn around from the aliens butt, go past it's 5 foot torso+ dark alcove, down the 9 foot wall, stab through the predator, turn it around and lift it in the air THEN the alien comes out of the tunnel into view.
30 second mark. LOOK AT THAT TAIL!
It's outrageous! That thing is the length of 3 whole aliens!
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Between not knowing Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and uttering those terrible words it is like I don't even know you anymore. I thought you were so butch.
As for me there is really only the original Predator film and the rest are some crazy non-existent fan fiction lies you are peddling on my dear interwebs.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Between not knowing Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and uttering those terrible words it is like I don't even know you anymore. I thought you were so butch.
As for me there is really only the original Predator film and the rest are some crazy non-existent fan fiction lies you are peddling on my dear interwebs.
Oh come on now.
Predator II was awesome in a pure 1980s way.
AVP was just fun killy killy.
AVP caused projectile diarrhea, I with you on that.
Predators, ok I really like that movie. Some good actors. Plus I have been to those locations. It's the abode of Team Wienie, the real ultimate predators!
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Between not knowing Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and uttering those terrible words it is like I don't even know you anymore. I thought you were so butch.
As for me there is really only the original Predator film and the rest are some crazy non-existent fan fiction lies you are peddling on my dear interwebs.
I knew I shouldn't have revealed my dark secret about liking the AVP movies. It's like Mcdonalds, in that they give me diarrhea (the films metaphorically and the food literally), but I also hate myself for liking the taste. Of Mcdonalds, not diarrhea.
Maybe I can redeem myself a bit by watching Kiss Kiss Bang Bang over the next 2 days off; you're the second person to tell me it was good.
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Like all Hellraiser movies Ill hope it turns out to be a decent movie......I just dont get how they keep dicking these franchises up. To me anyways it seems these movies should be easy to pull off but time and time again they turn into turds that leave me with that "what the hell?" look stuck on my face
It's often just to retain rights. That's why we're up to 10 Hellraiser movies now (I still consider Hell on Earth the ropiest. 4, 5, 6 and 7 at interesting at the very least)
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The reboots generally fail because they are, in essence, fake. They're just playing off previous success and not a genuine organic success (the originals often being successes by accident). Once you throw around a big famous name or IP, the studios get heavily involved and you end up with generic action-movie trash which is increasingly aimed at being PC friendly and appealing to (and not antagonizing) other major emerging markets like China, etc.
On rare occasions the sequel will be better because it's often done by the same people and represents a "the story I really wanted to tell..." kind of moment, with a large budget and better casting panache/chops.
There are plenty of non-hollywood gems out there, but sadly the reboots and major IPs get scooped up by big studios and the result is often pretty ho-hum.
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I dunno, I think Hollywood right now has done a very good job of bringing back things by condensing them into what we remember about them.
Or making great comedy reboots.
Fury Road is the best Mad Max by a large margin and looks and feels exactly like you remember MM being but not at all what it was actually like (because the old MMs are RIDICULOUS in a bad way).
Ghost Busters was ok. Not great. Mostly because it had a real weak 3rd act that was just a CGI light in the sky like most action movies these days...
Robocop was great. The extra stuff with the family was really good and they updated the "parody" well to be more topical and taken a bit more seriously.
Dredd was WAY better then the stalone one.
The new Planet of the Apes movies are a MASSIVE step up from any thing that came before it.
Nice Guys, Jump Street, The Other Guys, Overboard. All really good.
There are duds of course too. But it's worked often enough.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Commando is a great movie... just not a good one. But it is insanely quotable and has Arnold in his prime. And it is definitely a movie of its time. I don't want a Commando reboot because they would probably ruin it.
Fury Road and Dredd were fantastic, but those are the rare exceptions to the rule.
I thought the Robocop reboot was pretty universally panned. Watched the first 15 minutes and gave up. I'll give it another shot.
The Ghostbusters reboot was just a bad movie made by people who did not care about the originals. The Dredd makers obviously loved and respected the comics. It shows on the screen.
From what I've seen from the trailer, the new Predators movie is leaning more towards the Ghostbusters end of the scale. Sadly.
