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auticus wrote:
What did you have to do to get access to the models two weeks early

Aren't mine; I helped my flgs owner assemble the kits he got for running demos.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

auticus wrote:
What did you have to do to get access to the models two weeks early

Aren't mine; I helped my flgs owner assemble the kits he got for running demos.

My FLGS has them as well...

Yeah, I assume any middling account that wants to is getting them in

Now if I could just see if my vanguard wing battalion dropped, increased, or stayed the same point wise....

 Overread wrote:
Poor Daughters of Khaine don't get a getting started pack!

Don't rub it in. :(

Thommy H wrote:That's Becca Scott from Geek and Sundry. She's an actress and comedian. She does tons of 'How to Play' videos for all kinds of games.

I'm not Becca Scott fan, but this is one of her best performances. She has a tendency towards too much obviously fake enthusiasm and there wasn't much of that in these videos. Also, there's often a major mismatch in her colour commentary and the theme of the game she is explaining, but not here.

Solid video series that I've already shared with some curious people.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Poor Daughters of Khaine don't get a getting started pack!

Don't rub it in. :(

I'm lamenting with you

Esp since for some reason GW didn't use the relaunch to cheapen their basic infantry model even a little - £35 is very high for 10 basic troops! It kind of worked when Witch Elves were an elite choice in a larger army, but now that you might easily field over 100 of them in a single match it leaves them on the very expensive side.

Esp since hte Blood Coven kit appears to have vanished. It has gone from GW UK store and whilst I emailed I got a "if its not there its probably gone but I don't know for sure" reply from asking them. Wayland got some stock of it in the last day or two and that is entirely gone* now too (contact them to see if they know more on if it will restock again).

I'd really love to see them get a proper getting started box for the faction. I guess one issue is that they can't bundle a hero without putting the cauldron in, but they've moved some other fantasy things that were once just as expensive into the getting started so its not out of the question that we might see one.


*I might hve to hold my hand up and claim guilt for helping that situation

Got to put some spells together today. The purple sun is indeed stabby mcstab stab.

IDK if this has been answered or not but do I need both the core book and GH 2018 for this new editioin? or does the core book have GH18 stuff in it?

Of the two the Handbook is more necessary I believe.

Awesome, glad i cant get just that one

 Solosam47 wrote:
IDK if this has been answered or not but do I need both the core book and GH 2018 for this new editioin? or does the core book have GH18 stuff in it?

Preview: The Core Book and Preview: The General's Handbook 2018 explains what is in each book.

 Valander wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

To be fair, her delivery is very generic 'I'm a model I am paid to read a script and make vague hand motions but I'd look exactly the same in front of any product I were paid to promote'.

Her delivery is enthusiastic and clear and, yes, she's reading a script. Shockingly, all of GW's videos are scripted!

So maybe think about why you don't accuse Duncan of this kind of thing.

About the only thing I'd say is that for the ones I watched, her delivery is a little more wooden than I've seen in some of her other videos. The one she did way back on Shadespire, for example, was a lot more animated. Now, I don't know if that was the director or what, but I also wouldn't say it was actively bad or anything. Though some of the camera angle choices were really weird.

I think the difference we're seeing is because this is, presumably, a paid gig. GW wrote the script, and most likely produced the vids as well. On Geeks and Sundry she has free reign with her vids, but working for someone else, not so much. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed some horrible camera angles that made it obvious she was reading off of a teleprompter. She does on Geeks and Sundry as well, but they don't make it obvious.

I like Becca for the most part. Some of her vids can get a bit cringy here and there, but some of them are great. I really don't watch her Game the Game vids, because I don't really want to spend an hour plus watching people playing a game.

Thommy H wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

To be fair, her delivery is very generic 'I'm a model I am paid to read a script and make vague hand motions but I'd look exactly the same in front of any product I were paid to promote'.

Her delivery is enthusiastic and clear and, yes, she's reading a script. Shockingly, all of GW's videos are scripted!

So maybe think about why you don't accuse Duncan of this kind of thing.

I know exactly why I don't accuse Duncan of the same thing, because he looks much more natural on camera. His tone when speaking is much more conversational rather then the exaggerated pitch and inflections.
I have never heard of Geeks and Sundry so I legitimately assumed GW had hired a model to show off their models when I watched the first couple of her videos.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Poor Daughters of Khaine don't get a getting started pack!

Blood Coven?

Edit: Oh, I see. You were talking about the pre-order page on the GW website. It's probably because Blood Coven has been out of stock for ages.

Actually its because Blood Coven isn't a thing anymore. They put that out when DoK landed but never continued it

So I got in some demo games with the starter and the malign sorcery today. Some notes:

-The new rules are good. 2nd ed is definitely a step up.

-Do not simply play the Stormcast side vs the Nighthaunt side; the Stormcast will win every time. Do all of the Nighthaunt vs all of the Stormcast but simply drop the Evocators entirely.

-Evocators are immensely OP

-Glaivewraith Stalkers are entirely not worth the points

-Everything else is actually really well balanced. Maybe some 10-20 point changes here and there would be ideal but honestly I'm impressed. The Nighthaunt wizard should probably go up 20 points but I imagine they will FAQ so his wound roll buff doesn't stack, in which case he'll be fine.

-On the topic of malign sorcery, the rules work well and the spells are cool. The artifacts and realm spells are reasonably thematic and honestly just an extra layer of fun. I didn't go over them all in detail but I definitely noticed that while the spells seem relatively tame some of the artifacts will create really nasty combos in certain situations.

-Chronomantic Cogs is auto-take (assuming you have a wizard).

-The idea of summoning a umbral portal, throwing a purple sun through it, then dispelling doesn't work. At the start of your hero phase each wizard can attempt one dispel of an endless spell within 30" of them, they have to beat the base casting value. Each spell can only be subject to one dispel attempt, and a wizard who attempts to do so uses up one of his spells for that turn. Accordingly if you summon the portal you can't dispel it until your next turn, meaning that unless you go second the round after your opponent will turn that purple sun right around and send it back through the portal.

-In matched play you do NOT pick a new general when the old one dies. Allies are still done by points in matched play (same values).

-Allegiances in the core book got cleaned up a bit more and things leveled out relative to each other. Didn't notice anything super strong, though there's a Chaos artifact that gives battleshock immunity in a 6" bubble (Skaven rejoice!).

-It seemed like you can have more than one of the same endless spell as long as you pay for more than one of it, but I'm not sure and would have to recheck that.

-The pendulum only goes in one direction; it can stay still but not go back and forth.

-Endless spells that are moved off the edge of the table auto-dispel.

Having seen evocators on the table now im inclined to agree. Much like the double turn of old, these things can push some damage output and are bargain basement priced.

The main question at the store was how many evocator boxes were coming in...

So the pdf is pretty much a good open / narrative play resource but the core rules have more stuff for matched play?

auticus wrote:
Having seen evocators on the table now im inclined to agree. Much like the double turn of old, these things can push some damage output and are bargain basement priced.

The main question at the store was how many evocator boxes were coming in...

As expected. Now we await all the hilarious I never liked the Stormcast minis but these new ones (who coincidently are crazy powerful) look really cool...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
-It seemed like you can have more than one of the same endless spell as long as you pay for more than one of it, but I'm not sure and would have to recheck that.

It was noted in this previous post that you cannot take the same endless spell model more than once for your army according to Warhammer Community.

 Eldarain wrote:

auticus wrote:
Having seen evocators on the table now im inclined to agree. Much like the double turn of old, these things can push some damage output and are bargain basement priced.

The main question at the store was how many evocator boxes were coming in...

As expected. Now we await all the hilarious I never liked the Stormcast minis but these new ones (who coincidently are crazy powerful) look really cool...

Yeah, I'm just fielding Sigmarines as a protest

EDIT: Asked a question then found the answer in the free AoS 2.0 core download.

 Eldarain wrote:

auticus wrote:
Having seen evocators on the table now im inclined to agree. Much like the double turn of old, these things can push some damage output and are bargain basement priced.

The main question at the store was how many evocator boxes were coming in...

As expected. Now we await all the hilarious I never liked the Stormcast minis but these new ones (who coincidently are crazy powerful) look really cool...

From what I saw going "no Evocators" fixes things right up. They are the problen unit, the others are fine.

I've heard the scenarios in the 32 page book work great. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm guessing they might not be just pitched battles with all the miniatures lining up and fighting.

 jonolikespie wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

To be fair, her delivery is very generic 'I'm a model I am paid to read a script and make vague hand motions but I'd look exactly the same in front of any product I were paid to promote'.

Her delivery is enthusiastic and clear and, yes, she's reading a script. Shockingly, all of GW's videos are scripted!

So maybe think about why you don't accuse Duncan of this kind of thing.

I know exactly why I don't accuse Duncan of the same thing, because he looks much more natural on camera. His tone when speaking is much more conversational rather then the exaggerated pitch and inflections.
I have never heard of Geeks and Sundry so I legitimately assumed GW had hired a model to show off their models when I watched the first couple of her videos.

Duncan is their best right now.
He's a natural and honestly as skilled as a painter he is he's a very good presenter for the camera as well. He's got a likeable face and easy to listen to voice; is clear and doesn't talk down or such and when he's silly you can tell he's having fun "with" the audience.

I'd also say that he's got an additional bonus which is that most of this videos are within subject areas that he knows inside and out. I'm sure he's got a script, but its much easier to make a subject flow when you're also passionate and know exactly about what you are talking about. So its easier for him to flow one line to the next and to cover himself if he makes a mistake or even just pauses for a second too long.


Also he might have a touch more clout at directing his own videos. So it might be that his easy manner is because he's written when he's reading; whilst the newer presenter might be being managed differently due to the different nature of the video. Some of the issues (esp things like the odd camera angles) might well all be the director and nothing to do with her at all.

Even if the tutorial videos are not the best, if they are clear, informative and give people a good flavour for the game they will work. I'd hope she sticks around and even gets into things like battle reports and the like. Having a few more female faces of the hobby can only be a good thing at helping encourage more women into wargaming.

I doubt that. She lives and works in LA most of the time.

 Overread wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

To be fair, her delivery is very generic 'I'm a model I am paid to read a script and make vague hand motions but I'd look exactly the same in front of any product I were paid to promote'.

Her delivery is enthusiastic and clear and, yes, she's reading a script. Shockingly, all of GW's videos are scripted!

So maybe think about why you don't accuse Duncan of this kind of thing.

I know exactly why I don't accuse Duncan of the same thing, because he looks much more natural on camera. His tone when speaking is much more conversational rather then the exaggerated pitch and inflections.
I have never heard of Geeks and Sundry so I legitimately assumed GW had hired a model to show off their models when I watched the first couple of her videos.

Duncan is their best right now.
He's a natural and honestly as skilled as a painter he is he's a very good presenter for the camera as well. He's got a likeable face and easy to listen to voice; is clear and doesn't talk down or such and when he's silly you can tell he's having fun "with" the audience.

I'd also say that he's got an additional bonus which is that most of this videos are within subject areas that he knows inside and out. I'm sure he's got a script, but its much easier to make a subject flow when you're also passionate and know exactly about what you are talking about. So its easier for him to flow one line to the next and to cover himself if he makes a mistake or even just pauses for a second too long.

Also he might have a touch more clout at directing his own videos. So it might be that his easy manner is because he's written when he's reading; whilst the newer presenter might be being managed differently due to the different nature of the video. Some of the issues (esp things like the odd camera angles) might well all be the director and nothing to do with her at all.

Even if the tutorial videos are not the best, if they are clear, informative and give people a good flavour for the game they will work. I'd hope she sticks around and even gets into things like battle reports and the like. Having a few more female faces of the hobby can only be a good thing at helping encourage more women into wargaming.

I had never heard of her - but she seem articulate, bright and engaging which is never a bad thing in a sales pitch, a series of videos with her and Duncan both being enthuastic is a good thing in my view.

 Overread wrote:

I'm lamenting with you

Esp since for some reason GW didn't use the relaunch to cheapen their basic infantry model even a little - £35 is very high for 10 basic troops! It kind of worked when Witch Elves were an elite choice in a larger army, but now that you might easily field over 100 of them in a single match it leaves them on the very expensive side.

Esp since hte Blood Coven kit appears to have vanished. It has gone from GW UK store and whilst I emailed I got a "if its not there its probably gone but I don't know for sure" reply from asking them. Wayland got some stock of it in the last day or two and that is entirely gone* now too (contact them to see if they know more on if it will restock again).

I'd really love to see them get a proper getting started box for the faction. I guess one issue is that they can't bundle a hero without putting the cauldron in, but they've moved some other fantasy things that were once just as expensive into the getting started so its not out of the question that we might see one.


*I might hve to hold my hand up and claim guilt for helping that situation

Already have 2 Blood Coven kits and eyeing the third at my FLGS.

You are probably right about their problem including the hero unless they go weird and make the Eldar Avatar a generic one. The problem I feel they are facing is that some time ago it was revealed that they are hamstrung by the fact that they can't lower box prices in general(which is why old units still have ridiculous prices) so I am worried that they can't take what was already considered the blood coven and reduce it by an extra 10 pounds. It would go against their weird pric eruling.

 Eldarsif wrote:
The problem I feel they are facing is that some time ago it was revealed that they are hamstrung by the fact that they can't lower box prices in general(which is why old units still have ridiculous prices) so I am worried that they can't take what was already considered the blood coven and reduce it by an extra 10 pounds. It would go against their weird pric eruling.

Wait... when was this revealed? And, short of "we like money," is there a supposed reason?

I would guess its either an internal iron cast policy or linked to distribution and how there's stock out there bought under the old price and thus they dont' want to lower price because of having to issue refunds.

Thing is they could just rebox - not cost free, but as an example they could put 20 Witch Elves into a box and reprice that cheaper on a per-model basis. They've already used many of the getting started boxes to do this. I guess the greater issue is how they are pushing out so much all at once there might just not be a gap for the daughters to get a new kit right now.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So I got in some demo games with the starter and the malign sorcery today. Some notes:

-The new rules are good. 2nd ed is definitely a step up.

-Do not simply play the Stormcast side vs the Nighthaunt side; the Stormcast will win every time. Do all of the Nighthaunt vs all of the Stormcast but simply drop the Evocators entirely.

-Evocators are immensely OP

-Glaivewraith Stalkers are entirely not worth the points

-Everything else is actually really well balanced. Maybe some 10-20 point changes here and there would be ideal but honestly I'm impressed. The Nighthaunt wizard should probably go up 20 points but I imagine they will FAQ so his wound roll buff doesn't stack, in which case he'll be fine.

-On the topic of malign sorcery, the rules work well and the spells are cool. The artifacts and realm spells are reasonably thematic and honestly just an extra layer of fun. I didn't go over them all in detail but I definitely noticed that while the spells seem relatively tame some of the artifacts will create really nasty combos in certain situations.

-Chronomantic Cogs is auto-take (assuming you have a wizard).

-The idea of summoning a umbral portal, throwing a purple sun through it, then dispelling doesn't work. At the start of your hero phase each wizard can attempt one dispel of an endless spell within 30" of them, they have to beat the base casting value. Each spell can only be subject to one dispel attempt, and a wizard who attempts to do so uses up one of his spells for that turn. Accordingly if you summon the portal you can't dispel it until your next turn, meaning that unless you go second the round after your opponent will turn that purple sun right around and send it back through the portal.

-In matched play you do NOT pick a new general when the old one dies. Allies are still done by points in matched play (same values).

-Allegiances in the core book got cleaned up a bit more and things leveled out relative to each other. Didn't notice anything super strong, though there's a Chaos artifact that gives battleshock immunity in a 6" bubble (Skaven rejoice!).

-It seemed like you can have more than one of the same endless spell as long as you pay for more than one of it, but I'm not sure and would have to recheck that.

-The pendulum only goes in one direction; it can stay still but not go back and forth.

-Endless spells that are moved off the edge of the table auto-dispel.

I had a demo game yesterday. It went like this:

Scenario: Haunted Sanctuary
Winning Conditions: Table opponent or deal more wounds than him/her
Game Length: 5 turns
Total play time: ca. 1 hour

Buddy: Sigmarines
Me: Nighthaunt (because I am a fan of the Ghostbusters movies and took an instant liking to the ghosts)

Forces:
Sigmarines: 4 Crossbowmen, Bolt Thrower and 6 Hammer & Shield guys/gals
Nighthaunt: Leader on Steed, 18 Ghosts and 5 Wraiths

Board
Beautiful board with a graveyard theme. In the middle of the board were fences for cover. Otherwise the location was very open and you could draw LOS to almost any point on the battlefield.


Game[u]

1. Turn
Initiative: Nighthaunt

Ghosts formed a bubblewrap for the Leader on my left flank. Both sprinted (CP use for the Ghosts: Move: 12´´) to the middle of the board, hiding behind the fences.Wraiths were deployed in the middle of the board and sprinted also to the fences.
Sigmarines stayed put. Crossbowmen were on his right flank, Bolt Thrower in the middle and close combat Sigmarines on his left flank. Bolt Thrower & Crossbowmen opened fire and my ectoplasmic entities suffered only minor casualties.


2. Turn
Initiative: Nighthaunt

Ghosts sprinted (CP use for the Ghosts: Move: 12´´) again and were now ca. 6´´ away from the Crossbowmen. Wraiths sprinted behind a short fence on the left flank which was in the Sigmarines´s half of the board.
Ranged attacks of the Sigmarines only caused minor casualties. Six Hammer & Shield guys/gals advanced to the middle of the board and tried to charge the Ghosts but failed to do so (6´´ neeeded but opponent rolled a three.


3. Turn
Initiative: Nighthaunt

Ghosts and Leader charged the Crossbowmen. The Leader augmented the close combat attacks of the Ghosts (42 attacks!) and the Crossbowmen were thoroughly slimed (wiped out). The Ghosts consolidated 3´´ inches to the left board edge and away from the Hammer & Board guys/gals. Wraiths spent the turn spooking around the fence.
Bolt Thrower caused only minor casualties on the Ghosts. Hammer & Board guys/gals advanced towards the Ghosts and failed the charge again (5´´ needed and Sigmarines rolled a 3´´).


4. Turn
Initiative: Nighthaunt

Everything charged the Hammer and Board guys/gals. The Leader augmented the attacks of the Wraiths and Ghosts. Wraiths attacked first and the Sigmarines suffered only three wounds. Sigmarines attacked the Ghosts and the little spooks took a moderate beating. Ghosts hit back and scored two wounds. Bolt Thrower was within 3´´ of the scuffle and could therefore participate in the brawl. No wounds were scored. Now the Leader attacked and left only two Hammer & Board guys/gals alive.
Bolt Thrower, while in close combat, shot into close combat. Christ, they haven´t changed this stupid rule! Ghosts took moderate casualties from this ranged attack. Hammer & Board guys & gals killed a few Wraiths. Ghosts and Wraths attacked the close combat Sigmarines and did nothing. Bolt Thrower crew banished a few Ghosts back to Nagash. The Leader removed all the remaining close combat specialists from the Sigmarines.


5. Turn
Initiative: Sigmarines

The braw lin the Sigmarines half has now been reduced to a minor rugby scrum. The survivors of this engagement were:
Bolt Thrower (two wounds left)
Ghosts (Two spooks left), Wraiths (One spook left) and Leader with all ectoplasmic parts of his ghost form intact.

Result:
Loser: Sigmarines (25 wounds lost)
Winner: Nigthhaunt (21 wounds lost)


Discussion:[u]
Well, the spook´s victory was actually a surprise for me. Imo the Sigmarines´s player defeated himself because he failed a relative short charge two times with his clse combat dudes/dudettes. Another thing were his very shoddy Initiative rolls (3x One, 1x Two and 1x Five).
AoS still has some serious flaws in it´s game design. Unfavourable initiative rolls can result into dreaded double turns for a player and there is still not an alternating unit selection sytem like in Necromunda or Freebooter´s Fate. Tactics in this demo game were reduced to choosing with which unit it is wise to attack first. Positioning would be the second tactic involved. There is still no mechanic in the game in which you gain benefits by outmaneuvering your opponent because everything can turn on the spot and engage you. And shooting into close combat while being in close combat is still stupid as f***! I am flabbergasted why nobody in GW HQ realizes this in 2018. The wounding system is still in a vacuum. Wounding a goblin or dragon is the same for all units involved. I wonder why it makes sense to take big gribblies to the battle when hordes of zombies can tear it down with ease.

What about he models? I like the undead models but the Wraith are still a bit strange with their odd skull. People claimed that it was a horse skull. Makes no sense to me at all.
The Sigmarines badly suffered in the beginning with their image of being golem automatons. Now they had time to improve their public relations with the mere mortals and some even learned to put away their helmet and show a friendly face to the common human rabble. This was a wise decision. They also included female fighters in their ranks which is another good change. They are still as rare as unicorns and it would have been better to have a ratio of 50:50 between the genders but what do I know?

Bolt Thrower, while in close combat, shot into close combat. Christ, they haven´t changed this stupid rule!

Yeah, they actually have. A ranged unit can only shoot whatever is within 3" of them.

If you'd charged the bolt thrower with the Wraiths or Chainrasp, the leader could have gone around massacring everything else assuming they weren't all stacked up.