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 AduroT wrote:
I have played two games with my Sylvaneth in the new edition. My friends already Despise the Wyldwoods more than anything else I can take.

How many Citadle Woods do you find yourself using in the game? Looking to start the twigs but wasn't sure how many forests I need to have on hand.

 Knight wrote:
Gavriel is getting fielded on Saturday. As I understand, the command ability stacks and his seems absurdly good with deep striking.

The SCE lore of magic is rather disappointing. Various flavour of spamming mortal wounds.

I won't pick any Stormhosts, there are artefacts that I'd like to try and no benefit really tempts me.

Anvils of the Heldenhammer seem like a nobrainer to me. The artefact is naff but everything else is just bonkers.

 kodos wrote:
What would it need to play the existing Liberators as Sequitors (except for exchanging the hammers with maces)?

That depends on how loose people will let you be with the counts-as. Personally I wouldn't let that fly unless there was some sort of tabard or heraldry to distinguish them. If I saw a unit of liberators with different weapon heads I'd be like 'oh cool, you converted the weapons on your liberators' not 'oh cool, liberators converted to be sequitors'.

Also note that sequitors aren't really better, just different. They cost more points than liberators and while their bonuses are cool that sweet, sweet +1 to hit against wounds 5+ models remains pretty awesome.

That is why I asked
WYSIWYG is complicated with Stormcast, as having the right weapons is not enough to different between unit types, while Liberators with robes and swords but alternative heads are still Liberators

But Sequitors for now look clear better, not just for the price but also with other synergies

The question is just how one can bild a Stormcast army

 kodos wrote:
What would it need to play the existing Liberators as Sequitors (except for exchanging the hammers with maces)?

Unique paint jobs might do the trick.
For example, my soul mace/star mace whatever they are called for the retributors as all painted bright electric blue.
Standard ones are painted metallic.

As long as they're easily identifiable, the rule of cool should help.
YMMV depending on your regular pool of players.

 kodos wrote:
That is why I asked
WYSIWYG is complicated with Stormcast, as having the right weapons is not enough to different between unit types, while Liberators with robes and swords but alternative heads are still Liberators

But Sequitors for now look clear better, not just for the price but also with other synergies

The question is just how one can bild a Stormcast army

It depends on the list, Sequitors may be the better choice for one army but not the other. As for building them, I'd advise a basic concept of spending points on 1/3 characters, 1/3 models with ranged attacks, 1/3 models that are straight melee. Use that as a guideline and your army will be decent enough for a casual setting. Try out different units and see what you like, there's a lot of them!

 LunarSol wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I have played two games with my Sylvaneth in the new edition. My friends already Despise the Wyldwoods more than anything else I can take.

How many Citadle Woods do you find yourself using in the game? Looking to start the twigs but wasn't sure how many forests I need to have on hand.

About six so far in my games.

So the chaos mammoth at 320 points has to be a type-o. That thing has cleaned house for me the last couple of games. 22 wounds. Shed loads of mortal wound potential. Nasty damage.

320 points.

Has to be. Way off.

Oh yeah I think we all knew there was some sort of mistake upon seeing it. But until they fix it 'Spammoth' is among the strongest builds in the game!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh yeah I think we all knew there was some sort of mistake upon seeing it. But until they fix it 'Spammoth' is among the strongest builds in the game!

Is one you can kill with a no-proxy policy

A no-proxy policy would also make it so a good chunk of forgeworld warscrolls should just be erased since so much is out of production.

auticus wrote:
A no-proxy policy would also make it so a good chunk of forgeworld warscrolls should just be erased since so much is out of production.

I'm a big fan of creative 3rd party "counts-as", conversions, etc... so I would be bummed to see an event organizer outright do away with those options... but I do think the Mammoth might call for special circumstances. Its clearly a typo (oh God I hope no one thought 320pts was the CORRECT price for it), and I already see local players chomping at the bit to spam them using anything that even vaguely looks like a war-elephant. :-p

 LunarSol wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I have played two games with my Sylvaneth in the new edition. My friends already Despise the Wyldwoods more than anything else I can take.

How many Citadle Woods do you find yourself using in the game? Looking to start the twigs but wasn't sure how many forests I need to have on hand.

I've never been able to use more than 6 woods in a game. Usually three at the beginning of the game, but during the match, even with poor model placement on the enemy's part, I can only ever fit one base at a time.

auticus wrote:
A no-proxy policy would also make it so a good chunk of forgeworld warscrolls should just be erased since so much is out of production.

You need to make compromises. In my store we have no problems with this, but if I had the option of allowing forgeworld without proxies, or playing agaisnt 5 lists of 8 cheap elephant toys, I would pick the first option

Speaking of FW nastiness and proxies, local Destro WAAC dude already has a (square-based, icy blue painted but legit FW) magma dragon terrorizing the tables. That thing is for real, though also 500+ points, unlike certain spiky elephants

- Salvage

There's a reason it costs that many points...

Oh, it's beyond a doubt the standout from the Monstrous Arcanum for me. The mammoth smells like a mistake, but the magma dragon is a whole handful of resin and mortal wounds. I'm not surprised this dude is running one (he was doing terrible things to Free Peoples on release day), tho I commend him on having the actual model. Just needs to get that 160mm round action going

- Salvage

Guys I think I figured it out; the mammoth cost was a typo--it was printed as 320 points when really it should have been 230 points!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Guys I think I figured it out; the mammoth cost was a typo--it was printed as 320 points when really it should have been 230 points!

Much more reasonable, Nurgle and Tzeentch armies need the help.

I think the mammoth would be reasonable at 520 points. My cost formulas put it around there anyway from a balance standpoint.

From a breaking the game standpoint though, in a world of seraphon spam summoning free points and legion of nagash players spam recycling their units, I'll bring a vastly undercost mammoth without blinking.

Well duh if it's a tourney you bring the most broken crap you can, it isn't a question of if you bring a mammoth but rather how many you can get the models for. Because four is really the ideal number here.

Had my first real outing with Idoneth today and first real game of 2.0 as well.

List was:
Mor'phann
2x Soulrenders(One of which was the General and rolled for the +2A trait)
1x Tidecaster(Sands of Infinity)
2 units of 10 Reavers
2 units of Thralls, 1 of 10 and 1 of 20.

I made a bit of a mistake dropping the 20 unit basically the whole table away from the enemy so they had to slog it and even with run+charge they were really far out of it.

But man once the 20 block got into combat, they butchered. Took out a Cauldron of Blood in a single turn.

With that said, holy hell is High Tide wonderful. You get to go first before the other person even if it's their turn. Used the Hangman's Knot on a Hag Queen on foot to ensure a kill and just...boop. 4 attacks with the Talunhook with rerolls to Hits was kinda mean.

Had my first two games of 2.0 as well, in fact my first AoS games since I tried it on launch day 3 years ago.

1000 pts Nightgaunts
(2x20 chainrasps and guardian of souls in battalion, 8 glaivewraiths, spirit torment and knight of shrouds on steed).

Completely crushed Beastclaw raiders (boss on stonehorn, 4 mounrfangs, some cats and allied shaman) and soundly beat new Sigmarines (lots of castigators and sequitors) both on kills and on objectives.

I'm not a super fan of how reliant the game is on buff auras, especially now with "completely within" auras, it really forces you to bunch up. And double turns are a dumb thing. But I did enjoy myself very much, I always felt like there were meaningful choices to make.

I got dumpstered by LoN last night.

1500 sylvaneth vs Legion of Sacrament. Arkhan, mortis engine battalion, 20 chainrasp, 30 skeletons, dogs, hosts, geminids, shackles.

First things first, I haven't played the sylvaneth in ~ a year and a half and I screwed up big time on side choosing and over all strategy. Should have given him the side with the wood, turtled in the back and then just made trees and teleported cross map to kill arkhan (because he only screened him from the front and doesn't have a lot of experience vs sylvaneth). Turn 1 durthuing with ghyrstrike and 2 units of bow hunters would have been enough.

Instead I got to eat 5 spells a turn between with +2 to +4 cast and +6". I've had this suspicion since last game when I used them, but geminids are the best damage spell since they have a giant cast range compared to the rest; generate the most mortal wounds reliably and majorily debuff. His first turn he had 3cp so I couldn't run them down easily, not that it matters since sacrament punishes you for camping gravesites with their 4+ on destroyed enemy units. Also hadn't really appreciated gravesites + 3 heroes healing skeles back every turn too.

Biggest complaint is really Arkhan. Not sure why he's gotten so much better than his OG version (more spells to cast other than bolt, shield and curse; skeleton heal+reroll on it, another easy +2 to cast within reach) while going down 20 points. That being said, my opponent did screw up a couple of important rules like having curse of years have unlimited range and healing of non combat kills.

Rant over; I needed to play better with sylvaneth, though its going to be harder since he knows about all the gimmicky teleporting they can do.

https://twitter.com/Jackwarmstrong/status/1015578616573448197

auticus wrote:
https://twitter.com/Jackwarmstrong/status/1015578616573448197

Yes, and...?

Dude was also called out for being "that guy". His whole feed today has basically been "this is what's wrong with AOS please fix!1!"

Yes, and...?

Kroak doing 105 wounds in a turn. I don't know what the remainder of his feed looks like, looked like mostly just tournament pictures, but if kroak did indeed crank out 105 wounds in a magic phase thats pretty... OTT. Not that thats new with him.

I lost league finals last fall to Kroak who in one turn tabled my nurgle army with all of his magic and a balewind vortex after he was summoned in). He's always been a bit over the top.

auticus wrote:

Yes, and...?

Kroak doing 105 wounds in a turn.

It was Kroak, sitting on a Balewind Vortex and with many people saying that he just spammed Celestial Deliverance(roll 3 dice and it deals d3 mortal wounds to every enemy unit in that range--D6 if fighting Chaos Daemons) whenever fighting Chaos(which is what he's fighting in that picture).

And again, the dude had a bunch of stuff that basically reads as "I'm trying to prove I can break the game so you need to fix it nao!".

No model should ever be doing that many mortal wounds in a whole game, let alone one turn. Period. It doesn't matter who was playing it, why they were doing it, what the scenario was, what he was fighting against, or anything else. One model Should. Not. Deal. That. Many. Mortals.