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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Monkeysloth wrote:
CMoN store is back in the form of Asmodee webstore.

https://store.us.asmodee.com/search/?q=&p=1&s=0&f=eyJzdHVkaW8iOiBbIkNNT04iXX0%3D&fbclid=IwAR3NdkYB_am5t1MMr2jBl7iu7BQ3J6L5DKDJimyRkPnq_S1vDhc9PpikK18

Looks like Rum and Bones is gone. Wonder when MM will sell off the stock?

I also wonder how long until Asmodee absorbs CMoN completely?

well that's disappointing if not unexpected

**Monkeysloth**

Speaking of disappointing if not unexpected. I did my Trudavng pledge and $64 for shipping to US. I did have one of everything and a few extras of the dragon mount which would be cool for any RPG game.

Also it's odd that Roitminds, in their KSer, were the ones to tell people that the CMoN art book was a new book with a mix of new and old art. As CMoN never bothered to answer that.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Shipping for me seems to average out to around 30 dollars, depending on how many expansions I play around with in my cart.

That art book is the one piece I can't make up my mind about.

I really liked the books from The Others and HATE. I just worry how much of it is going to be recycled from the older Paul Bonner art book. I'm guessing most of the short stories are going to end up printed in there as well.

**DaveC**

**Theophony**

Is Ned wearing a Klingon do-rag?

**stonehorse**

Those Poor Folk and Builder Crossbows are pretty solid units. Luckily I only know of one Lannister player... and they recently moved to Dublin. So my Freefolk are safe for the time being.

Really hope they release a cavalry unit for the Freefolk at somepoint in the future, I have a sneakying suspision that they won't as Freefolk are currently the only faction with access to Monsters (Savage Giants), so it may be a balance restriction.

Still, the future of ASoIaF looks to be strong, just hope that the distribution can be resolved. Quite hard to get things.

**Moopy**

I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

**Fireball**

Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

**Moopy**

I doubt that very much. There's no logic connecting the two, now that the TV show has run its course. There's plenty of stuff to pull from the series.

Yes the books aren't finished, but the books are only a part of this setting now the TV series exists.

An undead army would be incredibly popular. That's money, and CMON likes money.

**Fireball**

Moopy wrote:
I doubt that very much. There's no logic connecting the two, now that the TV show has run its course. There's plenty of stuff to pull from the series.

Yes the books aren't finished, but the books are only a part of this setting now the TV series exists.

An undead army would be incredibly popular. That's money, and CMON likes money.

The profit potential is definitely there but CMON has said multiple times that the game is based on the books only and IMO there is not enough material in there to make an undead army out of it ...

**DaveC**

Yep licence is for the books not the TV series so they are restricted to what’s been published so far.

**JimmyWolf87**

Moopy wrote:
I doubt that very much. There's no logic connecting the two, now that the TV show has run its course. There's plenty of stuff to pull from the series.

Yes the books aren't finished, but the books are only a part of this setting now the TV series exists.

An undead army would be incredibly popular. That's money, and CMON likes money.

As mentioned, the show is irrelevant. I'm also not sure if they have the license for the extended materials such as Fire and Blood or Dunk and Egg or if it's just the main ASOIAF series. There's not much to draw on either way and the lead designers have stated the Others aren't a faction they're rushing towards (if at all) given the lack of potential variety and, in particular, that there aren't any named characters (caveat; Shinnall likes misdirection). I can think of ways round it but there's a lot of other stuff they want to do first. It's not like there's a lack of content.

Given the next book is (according to the man himself; yes he's often repeatedly wrong) expected to be with us in 2020, CMON possibly can't/won't delve into the Others yet when Winds is probably going to offer a lot more information on them. There's still Stark and Lannister units yet to be seen in the schedule, nevermind at least 4/5 Westerosi factions, all of the Essosi potential and bigger (pony sized) dragons before they may need to delve into 'new' areas, I don't think they'll be concerned with a lack of things to make.

**Mr Morden**

Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

I wonder what happens if he dies with the books unfinished - are they stuck in limbo.

**Monkeysloth**

Mr Morden wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

I wonder what happens if he dies with the books unfinished - are they stuck in limbo.

Probably do the same thing the Jordan estate did with Wheel of time. Get someone else to write it. The chat around the writing water cooler is Pat Rothfuss would be asked to take over.

**JimmyWolf87**

Monkeysloth wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

I wonder what happens if he dies with the books unfinished - are they stuck in limbo.

Probably do the same thing the Jordan estate did with Wheel of time. Get someone else to write it. The chat around the writing water cooler is Pat Rothfuss would be asked to take over.

I believe Martin has instructed that nobody else is to complete them if he were to pass before the books were finished; they'd just be incomplete. Horrifying to think the show would be the only ending we got. Obviously depends if his estate respects these wishes.

**His Master's Voice**

Monkeysloth wrote:
Probably do the same thing the Jordan estate did with Wheel of time. Get someone else to write it. The chat around the writing water cooler is Pat Rothfuss would be asked to take over.

Because Rothfuss is known for finishing series.

**Taarnak**

Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

So why is he unable to finish the books?

**Monkeysloth**

Taarnak wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

So why is he unable to finish the books?

Pretty much lost interest for quite a while. Prefers working on TV and Movie stuff instead (not GoT related things) though from what I understand the series ending has kind of rekindled his interested in writing the books so that's why there's talk of the next book being out in 2020.

**ced1106**

Dark Age Starter Set on MM's The Drop:

https://www.miniaturemarket.com/the-drop/

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**Alpharius**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Monkeysloth wrote:
Probably do the same thing the Jordan estate did with Wheel of time. Get someone else to write it. The chat around the writing water cooler is Pat Rothfuss would be asked to take over.

Because Rothfuss is known for finishing series.

I think that was the joke...

**Moopy**

DaveC wrote:
Yep licence is for the books not the TV series so they are restricted to what’s been published so far.

Ah. This I didn't know. Well damn.

**Fireball**

Monkeysloth wrote:
Taarnak wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

So why is he unable to finish the books?

Pretty much lost interest for quite a while. Prefers working on TV and Movie stuff instead (not GoT related things) though from what I understand the series ending has kind of rekindled his interested in writing the books so that's why there's talk of the next book being out in 2020.

One can imagine he has difficulties bringing all the storylines and subplots together for a grand finale. I have my doubts he will manage that before age/health problems become a factor.

**Mr Morden**

Fireball wrote:
Monkeysloth wrote:
Taarnak wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

So why is he unable to finish the books?

Pretty much lost interest for quite a while. Prefers working on TV and Movie stuff instead (not GoT related things) though from what I understand the series ending has kind of rekindled his interested in writing the books so that's why there's talk of the next book being out in 2020.

One can imagine he has difficulties bringing all the storylines and subplots together for a grand finale. I have my doubts he will manage that before age/health problems become a factor.

It became a great sprawling mess of convolted plots and undead characters books ago - for all its faults the tv show gor rid of vast amounts of dross.

Does he have kids etc.

Apart from the Undead - what units in the show have not been described in the books? I guess no Jon Snow riding dragon or undead dragon but not sure what else?

**JimmyWolf87**

Mr Morden wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Monkeysloth wrote:
Taarnak wrote:
Fireball wrote:
Moopy wrote:
I'm really interested to see how they'll do the undead. That's going to be some interesting balancing.

As Martin is not able to finish the books it is very unlikely right now that there will even be a undead army in the game ...

So why is he unable to finish the books?

Pretty much lost interest for quite a while. Prefers working on TV and Movie stuff instead (not GoT related things) though from what I understand the series ending has kind of rekindled his interested in writing the books so that's why there's talk of the next book being out in 2020.

One can imagine he has difficulties bringing all the storylines and subplots together for a grand finale. I have my doubts he will manage that before age/health problems become a factor.

It became a great sprawling mess of convolted plots and undead characters books ago - for all its faults the tv show gor rid of vast amounts of dross.

Does he have kids etc.

Apart from the Undead - what units in the show have not been described in the books? I guess no Jon Snow riding dragon or undead dragon but not sure what else?

There's only 2 undead 'characters' as far as I'm aware? Make that 3 probably relatively soon into the next one. Plus the unnamed Wights. Some of the 'dross' is looking to be quite important, more so since the show cut them and the plot fell off a cliff.

The Dragons are currently not much bigger than horses and on a different continent to Jon's cooling corpse so don't expect that anytime soon (if ever). The Others, Zombie horses and Wights are all present but we know very little about them. The Night King doesn't exist in the books (and isn't likely to) or, rather, he's a namedrop of a "historical" figure who's nothing like the pointless show villain. No Polar Bears or seemingly mass teleportation either. Apart from that I think most show stuff is present in some form in ASOIAF and might even extend to giant Ice Spiders, Kraken and a pissed of pack of Nymeria led Wolves.

**Mr Morden**

That was my thought - pretty much everything will be there for Show fans - just with extras (and maybe appearance differences)

I thought Drogon was actually getting quite big by the time he and dany met the Dothraki again?

**JimmyWolf87**

Mr Morden wrote:
That was my thought - pretty much everything will be there for Show fans - just with extras (and maybe appearance differences)

I thought Drogon was actually getting quite big by the time he and dany met the Dothraki again?

It's hard to judge but I think Drogon is only just approaching the size where he can comfortably carry Dany in in flight and he's the largest. His wingspan is described as 20 feet which really isn't that big, even allowing for A) unreliable narrator, B) George being crap at anything logistical, C) Fantasy (Dragons never work with real physics). Rhaegal's head is said to be 'bigger than a horse's' in ADWD which, whilst it doesn't give an upper limit, suggests roughly where they are in terms of growth.

**DaveC**

New Wanda sculpt not much different to the original the eye patch is new and the final mini will likely have a peg connecting the right leg to the base like the original

**DaveC**

Josh

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

BACK TO THE PAST Sep 20, 2019

Kickstarters are big, complex campaigns with tons of little parts. CMON’s Kickstarters are well-known for having lots of amazing extras and add-ons, with stretch goals aplenty. But we’re still human and sometimes a really good idea doesn’t come until after the campaign is over. Now, for most people, that would just mean that it’s just a missed opportunity. But thankfully, the geniuses down in CMON’s R&D have been working on a little something to help out. They’ve created a time machine. So, we can head back to some of our previous Kickstarter campaigns and add some amazing extras to them.

So, what could be so amazing that we wanted to bend the laws of time and space? Soundtracks and digital art books, of course! Our graphic artists and sculptors work hard to make sure that your gaming experience is as visually and tactilely engaging as possible. But what about adding a whole new sense into the game? We’re bringing sound into the game with brand new tailored soundtracks for three of our biggest campaigns: Rising Sun, Zombicide: Green Horde, and HATE. That’s right, along with awesome art and great minis, you can hear some amazing sounds when you sit down for a game session.

And speaking of artwork, we are also creating new digital versions of the art books for those games. The current art books from Rising Sun and HATE will be available in a digital format, perfect for taking with you and showing off wherever you go. While there will be an all-new digital-format art book for Zombicide: Green Horde book which will also include the great artwork from Black Plague.

Back to the Past
Of course, the upshot of going back to all these campaigns with our time machine is that you all get a chance to participate in them again. Now, our R&D team tells us that it wouldn’t be realistically feasible to give everyone a time machine to come back with us individually (there’s only so many seats in there, and do you know how much it costs to build a time machine?). So, what we’re doing is running a new campaign that will bring these items into the present, as well as give everyone an opportunity to jump back in as though they’d gone through time with us. You can pledge for the new digital assets alone, or you can pledge for items from those campaigns and get all the great extras and exclusives.

Another extra-special offer that’s part of this campaign is that we will be offering extremely limited quantities of extras from other great campaigns like Arcadia Quest, The World of SMOG: Rise of Moloch, and Blood Rage, just to name a few. However, quantities will be extremely limited. So be sure to pledge early!

We’ll be seeing you next week for this great campaign. For now, we’ve gotta go pick up a sports almanac...

This one sound fairly odd, wonder if a planned project isn't ready?

or if it's an excuse to empty their warehouse of any and all KS limited edition stuff they're got left over from conventions before the lease ends (to go with the dumping of most of the stuff from their own old store as their online business that remains is now being handled by the Asmodee store & staff)

**highlord tamburlaine**

I'm of two minds on this.

It's great they open the vaults and let people have a crack at getting a hold of some of the hard to find stuff.

It sucks if you paid way more than you should have in your desires to get these things though.

Are they going to charge the original prices on these items, or are they going to get inflated as well?

I think I own the bulk of what I want from most of these campaigns (outside of a few KS exclusive items from Rising Sun) so I'm probably not the target audience.

I wouldn't mind an extra Horde box after flipping mine though. Or a Wild Boar clan for Blood Rage if the price is reasonable.

None of that stuff will likely be offered piecemeal though sadly.