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Y'all weren't watching/ reading the good stuff then, that's all I can say.

Remember Inhumanoids? Mighty Max? There was some serious dark and disturbing motifs running through both shows, where things did not go well for protagonists despite the bright colors and toy line cash ins.

While the lore and back story to both were very grimdark and overtly Lovecraftian at itmes in their attempts by man to thwart things beyond mortal comprehension, a lot of that was under the surface and yet plainly there for all to see.

I remember being quite disturbed by Inhumanoids as a child.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
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I distinctly remember a point in my childhood where I got sick of cartoons, even violent ones, having no consequences. No one ever got hurt, no matter how many laserblasts or explosions occurred on screen. The closest we ever got to permanence was the Transformers movie, where they killed a bunch of characters, but I was likely too young for that to have as big an effect on me as it did others of the time.

For me the wakeup call was when I saw Robotech for the first time one morning before school. There was a big battle, people died. Casualty reports came through. Hundreds were dying. I was shocked. What on earth was I watching? Characters were not making it out alive? How is this happening in a cartoon?

It was difficult to take "violent" cartoons seriously after that.

Karak Norn Clansman wrote:
I see no danger here since it is unlikely to influence the background proper. Expand the franchise or die.
There's nothing wrong with this, and as a concept there is nothing wrong with doing a younger-slanted version of Warhammer/Warhammer 40,000.

But everything indicates that this will be a deathless/minimal violence endeavour. The main character in the 40K one hates weapons.

More than willing to be wrong. Clone Wars introduced a character that everyone instantly hated because she just didn't fit who, over the course of 5 years, become one of the most beloved Star Wars characters of all time, and someone that made me shout with joy whenever she showed up in Rebels. This could happen here.

But right now we have a 40K story where the three main characters have not a weapon between them. In Warhammer 40,000!!!




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So what happens if they encounter nightmare fuel like chaos, nids and necrons?
If one of them doesn't experience berserk level (as in the manga) trauma within the first encounter, or if there is a lack of severed heads and flayed skins, I'll be very disappointed.

Wh40k is meant to be an over the top cruel and brutal universe. Trying to go the kid friendly approach like this doesn't fit.

It needs to be like, idk, Made in Abyss or Oliver Twist or something.

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I just don’t understand why, these days, anything written for children has to have children as its main characters. When I was a kids all of my favourite things (Doctor Who, Star Wars, Space 1999, Star Trek) were about grownups.
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what happens if they encounter nightmare fuel like chaos, nids and necrons?
If one of them doesn't experience berserk level (as in the manga) trauma within the first encounter, or if there is a disappointing lack of severed heads and flayed skins, I'll be very disappointed.

Wh40k is meant to be an over the top cruel and brutal universe. Trying to go the kid friendly approach like this doesn't fit.

It needs to be like, idk, Made in Abyss or Oliver Twist or something.


Id be disappointed if there isnt some kinda rock off against noisemarines with the old guitar guns where the kids need to use the power of friendship and the emperor to beat them.

40k was and is a silly game at its heart. things changed from the silly 80s humor to the 90-00 edge lord grimdark, its 2018 the age of pandas. its all par for the course.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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 ProtoClone wrote:



Why do they hate that person who looks different? I don't know, they just do.
What's a heretic? Just keep reading.
But, the kids helped the Inq find the heretic, why are they being taken away from their families? Best not to ask.


There's a long tradition of British kids' books plotted round suspicion of the lower orders, foreigners and artistic types. Enid Blyton's Famous Five stories might as well all have been called "Five dob in a Gipsy"

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 Desubot wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what happens if they encounter nightmare fuel like chaos, nids and necrons?
If one of them doesn't experience berserk level (as in the manga) trauma within the first encounter, or if there is a disappointing lack of severed heads and flayed skins, I'll be very disappointed.

Wh40k is meant to be an over the top cruel and brutal universe. Trying to go the kid friendly approach like this doesn't fit.

It needs to be like, idk, Made in Abyss or Oliver Twist or something.


Id be disappointed if there isnt some kinda rock off against noisemarines with the old guitar guns where the kids need to use the power of friendship and the emperor to beat them.

40k was and is a silly game at its heart. things changed from the silly 80s humor to the 90-00 edge lord grimdark, its 2018 the age of pandas. its all par for the course.


Only if the penalty for losing the rock off is that they become the Dark God's play things for all eternity a la Tenacious D.

I'd argue that even in the silly times it was pretty messed up.
The Rogue Trader cover had an ork's severed head, another bit of art had a marine getting absolutely exploded and the overall art style was gritty and bleak.
Silly =/= happy go lucky antics.
Dark humor and over the top violence can be silly too. Just look at the Black Knight scene from Monty Python.

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 General Helstrom wrote:


Them's fightin' words.


Are we sure Cavan Scott is a real person and not a pseudonym for Mat Ward?


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 Grimtuff wrote:
 General Helstrom wrote:


Them's fightin' words.


Are we sure Cavan Scott is a real person and not a pseudonym for Mat Ward?


Maybe Ward trains the new writers at GW? That may explain a bit, actually...

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Ultramarines being the bestest Marines in the whole wide world is nothing new. It's been part of GW's brand for as long as I can remember.

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The discussion surrounding this has really brought out the worst in some of the community. Genuinely unpleasant.

In comparison the discussion here has been fairly good, with those who like and dislike it being mainly amicable. So thank you for everyone here for not being gits

As for my own thoughts, I understand the business case for it. I don't think the brand will be hurt (I don't think Marvel/DC are forced to compromise their adult stories with the inclusion of kid friendly stories).

Lots of firmly adult franchises had kid cartoons (to different levels of success) so don't see an issue with the adaptation of a kid unfriendly setting for a kids book (Just look at robocop! How that was appropriate for a cartoon was crazy!).

I don't there is going to be zero violence, the Space Marine is clearly armed and a part of the story. The Necrons will almost certainly be destroyed, just not by the children.

Overall it will amount to a storm in a teacup. Nothing will change apart from the booklines existence (which may or may not continue) and everyone will stop talking about it after a short time.

*witty comment regarding table top gaming* 
   
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 Grinshanks wrote:


Lots of firmly adult franchises had kid cartoons (to different levels of success) so don't see an issue with the adaptation of a kid unfriendly setting for a kids book (Just look at robocop! How that was appropriate for a cartoon was crazy!).



Wasn't the cartoon terrible? I think that's the problem with such adaptations; they are usually badly produced cash grabs that crap over their source.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I distinctly remember a point in my childhood where I got sick of cartoons, even violent ones, having no consequences. No one ever got hurt, no matter how many laserblasts or explosions occurred on screen. The closest we ever got to permanence was the Transformers movie, where they killed a bunch of characters, but I was likely too young for that to have as big an effect on me as it did others of the time.

For me the wakeup call was when I saw Robotech for the first time one morning before school. There was a big battle, people died. Casualty reports came through. Hundreds were dying. I was shocked. What on earth was I watching? Characters were not making it out alive? How is this happening in a cartoon?

It was difficult to take "violent" cartoons seriously after that.

Karak Norn Clansman wrote:
I see no danger here since it is unlikely to influence the background proper. Expand the franchise or die.
There's nothing wrong with this, and as a concept there is nothing wrong with doing a younger-slanted version of Warhammer/Warhammer 40,000.

But everything indicates that this will be a deathless/minimal violence endeavour. The main character in the 40K one hates weapons.

More than willing to be wrong. Clone Wars introduced a character that everyone instantly hated because she just didn't fit who, over the course of 5 years, become one of the most beloved Star Wars characters of all time, and someone that made me shout with joy whenever she showed up in Rebels. This could happen here.

But right now we have a 40K story where the three main characters have not a weapon between them. In Warhammer 40,000!!!





I feel like that part will be interesting to explore. The 40k universe is big and diverse, but yet people tend to not think of the people in the Imperium as such. I'm not talking about diversity in a matter of culture, but a matter of ideas. Why not Imperial citizens have a disdain for weapons? Out of the billions and billions of people that live within the Imperium, not one of them hating weapons seems very dumb and almost weird.
   
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 Nova_Impero wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I distinctly remember a point in my childhood where I got sick of cartoons, even violent ones, having no consequences. No one ever got hurt, no matter how many laserblasts or explosions occurred on screen. The closest we ever got to permanence was the Transformers movie, where they killed a bunch of characters, but I was likely too young for that to have as big an effect on me as it did others of the time.

For me the wakeup call was when I saw Robotech for the first time one morning before school. There was a big battle, people died. Casualty reports came through. Hundreds were dying. I was shocked. What on earth was I watching? Characters were not making it out alive? How is this happening in a cartoon?

It was difficult to take "violent" cartoons seriously after that.

Karak Norn Clansman wrote:
I see no danger here since it is unlikely to influence the background proper. Expand the franchise or die.
There's nothing wrong with this, and as a concept there is nothing wrong with doing a younger-slanted version of Warhammer/Warhammer 40,000.

But everything indicates that this will be a deathless/minimal violence endeavour. The main character in the 40K one hates weapons.

More than willing to be wrong. Clone Wars introduced a character that everyone instantly hated because she just didn't fit who, over the course of 5 years, become one of the most beloved Star Wars characters of all time, and someone that made me shout with joy whenever she showed up in Rebels. This could happen here.

But right now we have a 40K story where the three main characters have not a weapon between them. In Warhammer 40,000!!!





I feel like that part will be interesting to explore. The 40k universe is big and diverse, but yet people tend to not think of the people in the Imperium as such. I'm not talking about diversity in a matter of culture, but a matter of ideas. Why not Imperial citizens have a disdain for weapons? Out of the billions and billions of people that live within the Imperium, not one of them hating weapons seems very dumb and almost weird.


Eh, it depends. If they never leave their agriworld it would make sense, but if they go offworld then having a weapon is pretty much mandatory because of how dangerous it is out there.
Actually, a series about life on an agriworld might be interesting. Could be about fauna, economy, some adventures about, idk, a missing grox or something.
How harsh are agriworlds compared to other imperial worlds? I'd imagine they are much safer to live in than Hive Worlds or Forge Worlds.

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Eh, it depends. If they never leave their agriworld it would make sense, but if they go offworld then having a weapon is pretty much mandatory because of how dangerous it is out there.
Actually, a kids series about life on an agriworld might be interesting. Could be about fauna, economy, some adventures about, idk, a missing grox or something.

There is a difference between using a weapon for protection and loving weapons in general.
   
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 Nova_Impero wrote:

Eh, it depends. If they never leave their agriworld it would make sense, but if they go offworld then having a weapon is pretty much mandatory because of how dangerous it is out there.
Actually, a kids series about life on an agriworld might be interesting. Could be about fauna, economy, some adventures about, idk, a missing grox or something.

There is a difference between using a weapon for protection and loving weapons in general.


What if its a growing up story where the kids need to come to grips with the fact that they must do a thing to survive even if they hate it.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Someone should update the op with the link to the website itself.
 Desubot wrote:
 Nova_Impero wrote:

Eh, it depends. If they never leave their agriworld it would make sense, but if they go offworld then having a weapon is pretty much mandatory because of how dangerous it is out there.
Actually, a kids series about life on an agriworld might be interesting. Could be about fauna, economy, some adventures about, idk, a missing grox or something.

There is a difference between using a weapon for protection and loving weapons in general.


What if its a growing up story where the kids need to come to grips with the fact that they must do a thing to survive even if they hate it.


That seems fair then.
   
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 Desubot wrote:
 Nova_Impero wrote:

Eh, it depends. If they never leave their agriworld it would make sense, but if they go offworld then having a weapon is pretty much mandatory because of how dangerous it is out there.
Actually, a kids series about life on an agriworld might be interesting. Could be about fauna, economy, some adventures about, idk, a missing grox or something.

There is a difference between using a weapon for protection and loving weapons in general.


What if its a growing up story where the kids need to come to grips with the fact that they must do a thing to survive even if they hate it.



Yeah, that would be more like it. That's a theme in Made in Abyss.

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This could be very interesting, my kids are a few years too young but it would be fun giving them something like this when they get older. Of course it could also be complete crap like much children’s fiction. Also now I want minis and rules for those kids, let’s put them up against some real 40k grimdark on the tabletop

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 Desubot wrote:
 Nova_Impero wrote:

Eh, it depends. If they never leave their agriworld it would make sense, but if they go offworld then having a weapon is pretty much mandatory because of how dangerous it is out there.
Actually, a kids series about life on an agriworld might be interesting. Could be about fauna, economy, some adventures about, idk, a missing grox or something.

There is a difference between using a weapon for protection and loving weapons in general.


What if its a growing up story where the kids need to come to grips with the fact that they must do a thing to survive even if they hate it.



The end justifies the means. Inquisition loves that phrase!

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I am definitely buying in. If it's good, great. If it's terrible, even better because it will be hilarious. This might just replace the Star Trek TNG/X-Men crossover novel Planet X as the best ridiculous book to pull out at parties.



Oh god, I read that. It was terrible.

Anyway, this is So Crazy (In mean, honestly, it's bonkers) that it Just Might Work
   
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Uk

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Grinshanks wrote:


Lots of firmly adult franchises had kid cartoons (to different levels of success) so don't see an issue with the adaptation of a kid unfriendly setting for a kids book (Just look at robocop! How that was appropriate for a cartoon was crazy!).



Wasn't the cartoon terrible? I think that's the problem with such adaptations; they are usually badly produced cash grabs that crap over their source.


Yes, and I agree, but they're not the end of the world and quick fade out of existence again.

I also think (and distinctly remember thinking as a kid) that that kind of stuff aimed at kids was condescendingly naive (no consequences and all that). I get a whiff of that with this too. Seems the more things change the more they stay the same ha!

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It would be hilarious if this whole thing was a massive attempt at trolling by GW, and in the first volume some really screwed up stuff happens to the main characters.
Sort of like what Urobutcher did with Madoka Magika
"You thought it was going to be a cutesy magical girl anime, but it was actually nightmare fuel!"

I don't think they would have the nerve to try that though.

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I want miniatures of the characters.
   
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All I'll say is this.

I'm an old guy. I grew up during the 1980s when all the moral busybodies were attacking children's entertainment on all fronts because - right or wrong - there was a lot of inappropriate material marketed towards children. Was a lot of the outrage overblown? Most definitely. But there was inappropriate material marketed towards kids and that did negatively affect public perception of the industries (comics, cartoons/movies, gaming, music) from those who didn't know better. I'm not saying I agree with those people. I'm not saying what they did was right. I don't agree with censorship and I'm a strong proponent of free speech and expression.

I'm just saying that, sometimes, expanding your market to include children can have negative consequences that may be unforeseen. I don't consider myself a prude or a moral busybody. However, 40K's fluff, lore, and absurdist satirizing of mature themes are generally NOT child-friendly. Exposing children to a watered-down version of that fluff has two detrimental effects - one upon the lore itself and one upon the young reader and their parents. For the lore, it dilutes many of the themes and atmosphere that make 40K, as a concept, so interesting. For the reader, it is deceptive, as many of those themes may not be suitable for younger children.

Can you imagine the gakstorm that will ensue after normie kids read this, get heavily invested, pester their parents to buy them into actual 40K, and then coming across the ACTUAL lore and fluff?

I just worry we may see a Satanic Panic version 2.0

edited for language - BrookM

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This is the 41st millennium... shouldn't those kids be at work at a corpse starch farm, or a munitions factory, instead of gallavanting around the galaxy?

At least spend the minimum effort and join a gang, you juves.

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I kinda hope they go full 4Kids on this. Scrub the universe to the point of absolute absurdity.

There's almost zero possibility that the book is gonna be good, so what we should hope for is that it will be funny.

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So, this is a cute, family-friendly version of 40k with everything objectionable removed. No intolerance, no nasty traditionalism, only official military forces need guns... but it's still cool for one of our heroes to be a member of a violent gang before puberty?

That could be a sign that this isn't as sanitised as I fear, just idiocy on the writer's part or some messed up priorities.

   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I just don’t understand why, these days, anything written for children has to have children as its main characters. When I was a kids all of my favourite things (Doctor Who, Star Wars, Space 1999, Star Trek) were about grownups.


They weren't written for kids, they were written for kids, they were written to appeal to a wide audience. You look at old school horror and sci-fi and it looks campy as hell but at the time they could be very advanced and deal with real world concerns like the danger of nuclear war. Star Trek dealt with a lot of social issues, Star Wars was a spectical like Avatar was a few years ago, and even a show like Lost in Space was a favorite of my Grandfather who was a WWII combat vet. They're all a call back to pulp novels and radio shows which were made to appeal to the masses.

Why make stories about kid heroes? Because it's proven to market well towards younger audiences. There is a reason why super heroes got teen sidekicks, it sold really well and spread to very popular heroes like Spider-Man and the XMen. SW had a Jedi Academy series for kids about the Solo kids and others being trained by Luke in the EU. Harry Potter was definitely a kids series. While adults can and do enjoy these things, they are definitely marketed to children.

I am concerned that the presentation of violence and prejudice in 40k isn't the best without some education in the realities of things like war and oppression. I mean a cartoon like Exo Squad did an excellent job of telling an actual war story despite mostly being a vehicle to push toys. 40k is coming from the opposite direction which is harder dial back down without going with going "it's a different setting where a Commisar won't execute all three kids out of hand".
   
 
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