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 ScarletRose wrote:
"the stereotype"? You mean the one you just made up right? Again, bald-faced assertions aren't facts, even when typed on a miniatures board.

Just because it offended you doesn't make it a lie.

Again, I've never met a male feminist I would trust near my children.

I usually find they're the "Ultimate Gentlemen" like Elliot. If you know what I mean.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
"the stereotype"? You mean the one you just made up right? Again, bald-faced assertions aren't facts, even when typed on a miniatures board.

Just because it offended you doesn't make it a lie.

Again, I've never met a male feminist I would trust near my children.

Wow, a 'u mad?', it's 2001 all over again.

Again, asserting everyone you don't like is a pedophile is not an argument. It's a cheap tactic used over and over by the right.

I'll say that is actually funny to see the slow degradation of the level of conversation in this thread.

 ScarletRose wrote:
Again, asserting everyone you don't like is a pedophile is not an argument. It's a cheap tactic used over and over by the right.

You're right. The left just up and out accuses you of sexual assault. Thing is, when they accuse their own they're often dead on. Like Al Franken, what an upstanding feminist!

So, did you have anything to contribute- or are you just here to defend the cult?

Oh, look at these:

VICE Journalist Commits Career Suicide Following Sexual Harassment And Assault Allegations http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/18/vic... Games forum NeoGAF in chaos after owner accused of sexual misconduct https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/1... A Follow Up on NeoGaf's Downfall After Sexual Assault Allegations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS9x9... Sneaky Male Feminism and Rape Hypocrisy http://www.newslogue.com/debate/731/B... Multiple Women Allege Abuse by Vice 'Male Feminist' Contributor http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/10... ‘Male Feminist’ Aleksandr Kolpakov Now Charged With First-Degree Murder http://theothermccain.com/2017/06/01/... The Last Thing Heather Anable Saw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZqif... Progressive Performer Jamie Kilstein Ousted From Citizen Radio After 'Disturbing Allegations' https://jezebel.com/progressive-perfo... Another Male Feminist Accused of Sexual Misconduct https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/03/...

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
Again, asserting everyone you don't like is a pedophile is not an argument. It's a cheap tactic used over and over by the right.

So, did you have anything to contribute- or are you just here to defend the cult?

Lol, funny you mention contribution because other then "everyone who doesn't share my exact opinion is a pedo!" I don't see much else going on.

And of course we see just how much a toxic mess the community can be when humans having rights regardless of their physiology is a "cult". You want to sprinkle some more faux-outrage word in there?

 ScarletRose wrote:
And of course we see just how much a toxic mess the community can be when humans having rights regardless of their physiology is a "cult". You want to sprinkle some more faux-outrage word in there?

I don't agree with an extreme ideology, therefore- I must think women don't deserve rights. The exact kind of baseless, ignorant, and pathetic argument I expected.

Yes, it's a cult. "You don't love Jesus? You must want to go to hell and take your family with you to burn, you like seeing children burn in hell fire!"

And you didn't see anything going on because you didn't read. You just zeroed in to a threat to your cult. Keep mining for points. Maybe one day it'll pay off for you.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I always think it's bizarre how the regressive corners of the world have latched onto projection as the primary tactic to use - nevermind that incels motivated primarily by sex are exactly the opposite of feminists, it must be those darn feminzis who are lonely men motivated by sex!

It's like somehow asserting it in a condescending way makes it true, it would be funnier if it didn't seem like people genuinely believed it.

The irony

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I always think it's bizarre how the regressive corners of the world have latched onto projection as the primary tactic to use - nevermind that incels motivated primarily by sex are exactly the opposite of feminists, it must be those darn feminzis who are lonely men motivated by sex!

It's like somehow asserting it in a condescending way makes it true, it would be funnier if it didn't seem like people genuinely believed it.

The irony

I caught a heavy chuckle from that myself, and failed to capitalize on the opportunity.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
And of course we see just how much a toxic mess the community can be when humans having rights regardless of their physiology is a "cult". You want to sprinkle some more faux-outrage word in there?

I don't agree with an extreme ideology, therefore- I must thing women don't deserve rights. The exact kind of baseless, ignorant, and pathetic argument I expected.

Yes, it's a cult.

And you didn't see anything going on because you didn't read. You just zeroed in to a threat to your cult. Keep mining for points. Maybe one day it'll pay off for you.

"extreme" there's another good faux-outrage word, nice job. I would say yes, not agreeing with the idea women should have rights means not agreeing with the idea women should have rights. It's called a tautology.

I'm not looking for a payoff, just showing that not every gamer subscribes to incel talking points.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I would say yes, not agreeing with the idea women should have rights means not agreeing with the idea women should have rights. It's called a tautology.

Except I do believe they should have rights. Up to and including the right to be questioned, their ideas criticized, and even ridiculed.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm not looking for a payoff, just showing that not every gamer subscribes to incel talking points.

Except you're doing a damned fine job of it, and you're clinging to them pretty hard.

You know what my favorite outrage word is? "Toxic". Every time someone with a fragile ideology comes under scrutiny, it's the equivalent of exposing them to nerve gas. Which, in my opinion, is perfect.

I think if you check out incel message boards and so on, very few of them subscribe to feminist ideology. To claim that such ideas are widespread among people who identify as incel (problematic as that is on its own) is so far from the truth it looks like a straw man to me.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm not looking for a payoff, just showing that not every gamer subscribes to incel talking points.

Except you're doing a damned fine job of it, and you're clinging to them pretty hard.

Projection is still not a viable tactic. The idea that incels, who only value women as sexual property, can have anything to do with supporting their rights is ridiculously contradictory at best.

But hey "I know you are but what am I?" worked great in 4th grade right?

 Da Boss wrote:
I think if you check out incel message boards and so on, very few of them subscribe to feminist ideology. To claim that such ideas are widespread among people who identify as incel (problematic as that is on its own) is so far from the truth it looks like a straw man to me.

I'm made of questions right now, but the first one is: "Why are you on an incel message board".

The next one is "Since when did we get incel message boards?"

Because I'm thinking you're straw-manning. Every 'male feminist' I've seen, beyond the normal ones that are just like 'treat everyone equally' (which is what I consider an egalitarian) are usually stalkers, and sometimes worse.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Because I'm thinking you're straw-manning. Every 'male feminist' I've seen, beyond the normal ones that are just like 'treat everyone equally' (which is what I consider an egalitarian) are usually stalkers, and sometimes worse.

IOW, "other than the normal ones, none of them are normal". How is this trainwreck of a thread still going?

 Da Boss wrote:
I think if you check out incel message boards and so on, very few of them subscribe to feminist ideology. To claim that such ideas are widespread among people who identify as incel (problematic as that is on its own) is so far from the truth it looks like a straw man to me.

How dare you refute a feminist with research and facts! That's sexist!

 ScarletRose wrote:
Projection is still not a viable tactic. The idea that incels, who only value women as sexual property, can have anything to do with supporting their rights is ridiculously contradictory at best.

But hey "I know you are but what am I?" worked great in 4th grade right?

You know, the crazy thought that they aren't actually sincere has never crossed your mind, has it? Of course not, I'm sure it'd work against you for your little secret to get out.

I went and read a bunch of incel message boards when I heard about it after the Eliot Rodgers shooting. The message boards have been around for a fair while, though I think the Reddit group was more popular than them until it was banned.

I mean, okay, I think you are straw manning, you think I am, let's let the reader decide who is who.

 Peregrine wrote:
IOW, "other than the normal ones, none of them are normal". How is this trainwreck of a thread still going?

Uh oh, Peregrine's offended! Time to shut down the thread, he's here to make sure it happens.


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 Da Boss wrote:
I went and read a bunch of incel message boards when I heard about it after the Eliot Rodgers shooting. The message boards have been around for a fair while, though I think the Reddit group was more popular than them until it was banned.

I mean, okay, I think you are straw manning, you think I am, let's let the reader decide who is who.

If you said, "It's very possible both types exist and most reasonable people aren't that way on either side", I'd give it to you.

I'm still baffled 'incel boards' exist. I thought that was just Dakkadakka.

I mean, I don't want to recommend you check them out because they are toxic hell holes, but if you are interested, incels.me is the most popular one currently. Sorry to say it is full of absolutely foul stuff.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
Projection is still not a viable tactic. The idea that incels, who only value women as sexual property, can have anything to do with supporting their rights is ridiculously contradictory at best.

But hey "I know you are but what am I?" worked great in 4th grade right?

You know, the crazy thought that they aren't actually sincere has never crossed your mind, has it? Of course not, I'm sure it'd work against you for your little secret to get out.

My little secret? Ok between the between the blatantly sexual post (that male feminists just want their genitals touched), the one about likening your arguments to gassing people you don't like and now this creepy sounding implication I'm kind of wondering why you're still here.

I don't have secrets, certainly not any that would magically be stumbled upon in a troll thread.

 Da Boss wrote:
I mean, I don't want to recommend you check them out because they are toxic hell holes, but if you are interested, incels.me is the most popular one currently. Sorry to say it is full of absolutely foul stuff.

I'm gonna walk through this horror show later, I promise you that.

I think the 'feminist' variant may be less likely to admit they're 'incels' like that. The truth of the matter is, desperate varieties of males tend to go to one extreme or the other out of desperation.

So yeah, I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground. I'm sure there's decent male feminists out there, and some predators. And I'm sure that there are woman-hating incels, and guys that just don't like what feminism has become.

Fair?


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 ScarletRose wrote:
My little secret? Ok between the between the blatantly sexual post (that male feminists just want their genitals touched), the one about likening your arguments to gassing people you don't like and now this creepy sounding implication I'm kind of wondering why you're still here.

I don't have secrets, certainly not any that would magically be stumbled upon in a troll thread.

I never said I wanted anyone gassed, I said the reaction was as if they are being gassed. If reason and common sense are 'poison' to you, then you can stand there and choke and do the funky chicken.

 Da Boss wrote:
I mean, I don't want to recommend you check them out because they are toxic hell holes, but if you are interested, incels.me is the most popular one currently. Sorry to say it is full of absolutely foul stuff.

I have read 3 threads in that forum and I think 46% of my brain-cells have just died.

Thanks, obama.

I am not really comfortable with the way you have phrased that equivalence. But I think that all the groups of people you are talking about do exist, but their numbers are likely very different to what you imagine. But neither of us can prove it conclusively here on Dakkadakka, so this is likely pointless.

Good luck on incels.me. I would not use the term to describe someone who did not use it to describe themselves, personally. I would prefer less loaded terms like "virgin" or "someone who hasn't been laid in a while".

This thread is the perfect demonstration of why identity politics (and by inference people like Sarkeesian) have no place in a hobby designed for escapism.

 Da Boss wrote:
Good luck on incels.me. I would not use the term to describe someone who did not use it to describe themselves, personally. I would prefer less loaded terms like "virgin" or "someone who hasn't been laid in a while".

Fair enough. "Desperate Males" seems more appropriate, too. Considering that there are, believe it or not, people who elect to remain virgins until marriage.

I think.

I saw it on TV once, at least.


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YouKnowsIt wrote:
This thread is the perfect demonstration of why identity politics (and by inference people like Sarkeesian) have no place in a hobby designed for escapism.

Every place I game has a 'no politics of any kind discussed here' and 'no proselytizing' as well. Funny how that keeps people happy despite being diverse and having different mindsets.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
Projection is still not a viable tactic. The idea that incels, who only value women as sexual property, can have anything to do with supporting their rights is ridiculously contradictory at best.

But hey "I know you are but what am I?" worked great in 4th grade right?

You know, the crazy thought that they aren't actually sincere has never crossed your mind, has it? Of course not, I'm sure it'd work against you for your little secret to get out.

My little secret? Ok between the between the blatantly sexual post (that male feminists just want their genitals touched), the one about likening your arguments to gassing people you don't like and now this creepy sounding implication I'm kind of wondering why you're still here.

I don't have secrets, certainly not any that would magically be stumbled upon in a troll thread.

How about you take a step back and compose yourself? Seriously. You don't need to keep doing this tit for tat stuff.

I know for a fact you do not see it... A lot of other posters are polite and are going to let you keep going....
I'm not! Just take a breath, go back and reread this conversation.... and tell me that it ends the way YOU think it ends.

Pretty please, with sprinkles.

 Grot 6 wrote:
I'm not! Just take a breath, go back and reread this conversation.... and tell me that it ends the way YOU think it ends.

Pretty please, with sprinkles.

And I think you're right, at least in regards to myself. I threw out some unwarranted snipes and I should not have done so.

I'll keep it civil, because you're asking nicely.

Hoh boy Anita Sarkeesian. I can tell great and amazing things are going to come from this shining example of humanity. And all of her wonderful "followers"

I am not a fan of Sarkesian getting involved in tabletop wargaming. In my opinion, she's toxic, argumentative, biased, and condescending.

I'm fine with her having any opinion she wants to have. She can even communicate it with anyone she wants, regardless of how wrong she is. I just feel that she will leave this hobby worse than it was.

 ScarletRose wrote:
Again, bald-faced assertions aren't facts, even when typed on a miniatures board.

Are you trying for some sort of award for most ironic posts?