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No company is obligated to keep making things only a few people buy. Save the wailing and tears, peeps, you’ll just dehydrate. I severely doubt there are hundreds of teenagers who just started collecting direct-only metal regiments who will be inconvenienced by this move.

You know they bring back fan favorites in the made to order program just for this very reason? For people having missed out when they went oop?

If oeople express their desire in forums/email/facebook/twitter for what they want all the more likely it will return in such a way.

I for example would like a rerun on the imperial guard made to order + valhallan regiment, as I didn't have enough money at that time to buy exactly what I wanted.

What I don't understand is people need to gak on people who want to spend more money in the hobby they love.

What's weird though is they just got very significant and detailed regiment rules in the Codex (which they never had before). So yes, there are new players suddenly looking for Vostroyans and Valhallans. Maybe they built their whole army in the last few months, I don't know.

When marines get Chapter rules it's not a big deal since a Blood Angel is just marine painted red. But is a Tallarn just a Cadian painted tan?

If GW comes out with a boxed set, or several sets, that can make all the regiments it might make sense but for now...

If GW had called their regiment rules 'Raiders' or 'Gunlines' or 'Mechanized Infantry' it would be fine but they called them Tallarn, Mordian and Steel Legion.

Left hand, meet right hand. I hope you talk more.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's weird though is they just got very significant and detailed regiment rules in the Codex (which they never had before). So yes, there are new players suddenly looking for Vostroyans and Valhallans. Maybe they built their whole army in the last few months, I don't know.

That is weird, yes.

FW are also trimming things, looks like a decree must have gone out to slim down the number of SKUs?

Kinda sad they're gone, but not that much.

Sad because they were more characterful than the malformed/ugly plastic Cadians, but not so much because they were old, expensive and hampered by their monopose nature, a real problem for an army where you're likely to be fielding a lot of units.

Hopefully there'll be a new plastic solution to the regiments, I know myself and a lot of others would throw much cash at new, posable and interesting plastic IG units.

 Slinky wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's weird though is they just got very significant and detailed regiment rules in the Codex (which they never had before). So yes, there are new players suddenly looking for Vostroyans and Valhallans. Maybe they built their whole army in the last few months, I don't know.

That is weird, yes.

FW are also trimming things, looks like a decree must have gone out to slim down the number of SKUs?

Undoubtedly. GW, like many companies, is constantly generating new products which at some point means older products, especially slow-moving ones, are going to get culled. I'm not sure anyone is really faulting the decision to cut the lines so much as the zero heads up and lack of a final made-to-order run of such a thing; from a business perspective that's probably a hefty chunk of coin left on the table and a bit of bad-will taken in its place. Not a great choice overall, really.

Of course, we just presume that they're being cut because it makes sense. It could be that GW is suspending production of metal briefly while they make internal adjustments to their production facilities and they'll be put back on offer at some point in the future. Not the way I would bet, per se, but also a possibility.

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if either their caster(s) or machinery is out of action. Old GW used to have lots of machines and plenty of staff who knew what they were doing,

nowadays I'd bet both were in shorter supply

The way i see it is that they usually do the "last chance to buy" thing when removing products, but in this case they didn't. Now as usual practice is to do that, for the guard regiments they didn't for 1 of 2 reasons:

1) there's a good company reason, probably related to manufacturing as to why they got culled at no notice

or

2) They did it just to annoy forum dwellers

I reckon it's probably the former. As to the specifics, we'll likely never know.

 Slinky wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's weird though is they just got very significant and detailed regiment rules in the Codex (which they never had before). So yes, there are new players suddenly looking for Vostroyans and Valhallans. Maybe they built their whole army in the last few months, I don't know.

That is weird, yes.

FW are also trimming things, looks like a decree must have gone out to slim down the number of SKUs?

From what we've heard it wasn't a decree to cut down Skus, as much as the production facilities for both have run out of inventory space and asked for more from senior management (dunno if this would have required building some more space, probably) which was turned down.

So they have to cut some stuff in order to fit in new product.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly? I've been thinking for awhile that the removal of the Solar Auxilia from FW's range is because we're going to see something similar to that in concept/design from GW in plastic. The stuff from Rogue Trader seems to be a step in that possible direction.

If that was true, FW would axe their custode range first - because not only it's far uglier than GW plastic ones, GW range replaces it pretty much 100% with better and cheaper models. You can now build nice HH custode army using plastic only - even Valdor can be replaced by gluing a pile of random off scale mismatched plastic animal body parts to GW Tribune, so I don't buy that conspiracy theory. Why axe something that still sells and has no replacement at the moment encouraging people to just dump half finished armies on ebay, when something with direct replacements is still in store?

I must have missed the plastic Telemon, Firepikes, and whatnots.

Man, a Custode on a jetbike couldn't move goalposts as fast as you. According to you, a fancy heavy flamer (that can be converted in minutes from any of the dozen plastic Terminator kits, just call it sanicus pattern or something) equals squatting a huge part of the range with zero possible replacements until, at best, 2019?

Just admit your conspiracy theory is utter nonsense that doesn't make sense any way you can look at it and we can move on to do something productive instead.

Dazzler wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If one can wait 20+ years while the item is in the shop, one can wait 20+ days while the item is on eBay.

What if say I had only started playing 40k in the last year and had started collecting Valhallans in the last couple of months. Do you then class me as someone that has had 20+ years to buy them?

Yup. Obviously, there were other things that were more important than 40k / IG / Valhallans prior to the last year / few months. And again, it's not like the global supply suddenly evaporated...

It's nobody's fault that GW is taking some stuff off the shelf. It's a business decision that happened and we don't know the true reason behind it.

Geez, both sides should just move on with what is available.

I understand why GW did this, but im sad there was no last chance to buy. I was going to buy more mordians, as I only have 2 squads, but now ill probably ebay them as I dont want a half finished army

Gone but never forgotten.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Dazzler wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If one can wait 20+ years while the item is in the shop, one can wait 20+ days while the item is on eBay.

What if say I had only started playing 40k in the last year and had started collecting Valhallans in the last couple of months. Do you then class me as someone that has had 20+ years to buy them?

Yup. Obviously, there were other things that were more important than 40k / IG / Valhallans prior to the last year / few months. And again, it's not like the global supply suddenly evaporated...

Alright there Nathan Poe. How you doing today?

Managed to grab three more Steel legion squads at least. That should have me set for the foreseeable future, I hope... Shouldnt really need more than 100 infantry, especially if theyre mechanised.

This been posted yet? Not sure if it’s authenticity, but “Reward the Faithul” was the same line they gave for sisters.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's weird though is they just got very significant and detailed regiment rules in the Codex (which they never had before).

Point of order - 4th ed Doctrine system meant you had customised Regiments, with arguably more difference in how they played than the 8th ed book does. Also, at least the Valhallan & Tallarn special characters were still around

 Sinful Hero wrote:
This been posted yet? Not sure if it’s authenticity, but “Reward the Faithul” was the same line they gave for sisters.

Spoiler:

I think "all the new recruits we have in the pipeline" is a definite hint that GW has plans for new AM infantry kits.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
No company is obligated to keep making things only a few people buy.

Way to argue against something no one is really saying. Most people are saying that they'd have liked some warning. No need to be unreasonable about it.

 Dysartes wrote:
Point of order - 4th ed Doctrine system meant you had customised Regiments, with arguably more difference in how they played than the 8th ed book does. Also, at least the Valhallan & Tallarn special characters were still around

The Doctrine System isn't really the same thing though. It allowed you to make custom armies that could be anything. Kyoto is talking about detailed regiment rules specific to the actual types - Valhallan, Mordian, Vostroyan, etc. - not a set of generic 'choose your own adventure' Doctrines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
No company is obligated to keep making things only a few people buy.

Way to argue against something no one is really saying. Most people are saying that they'd have liked some warning. No need to be unreasonable about it.

 Dysartes wrote:
Point of order - 4th ed Doctrine system meant you had customised Regiments, with arguably more difference in how they played than the 8th ed book does. Also, at least the Valhallan & Tallarn special characters were still around

The Doctrine System isn't really the same thing though. It allowed you to make custom armies that could be anything. Kyoto is talking about detailed regiment rules specific to the actual types - Valhallan, Mordian, Vostroyan, etc. - not a set of generic 'choose your own adventure' Doctrines.

They had used to doctrine system to make regiment rules for all the regiments as well.

Too lazy to find my 4th ed codex, but if I remember correctly most of the standard regiments had a greater number of doctrine options than you could al la carte in a home baked regiment.

Put me in the 'mildly annoyed' camp. I've had the Gaunt's Ghosts box on the 'someday soon' purchase list for months now (to combine with some spare Last Chancers for a full squad). On a tight budget though, and I knew it would be ages before I got around to painting them, so there was always something more pressing.

If they'd had a 'last chance to buy', I'd have moved them to the top of the list and nabbed 'em.

Oh well. Off to eBay...

BTW, for anyone who doesn't have any Steel Legion or even much interest in the Imperial Guard, but likes metal models as game pieces (I do, because I find the weight satisfying)... the SL models make great generic 40K troopers for multiple factions. All you have to do is file the aquilas off and you've got a bunch of guys in gasmasks that could stand in for loyal PDF troopers, Traitor Guard, Brood Brothers, Chaos Cultists... you name it. Useful to have a squad in the cupboard in case of special scenarios, too. Just a thought.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
No company is obligated to keep making things only a few people buy.

Way to argue against something no one is really saying. Most people are saying that they'd have liked some warning. No need to be unreasonable about it.

 Dysartes wrote:
Point of order - 4th ed Doctrine system meant you had customised Regiments, with arguably more difference in how they played than the 8th ed book does. Also, at least the Valhallan & Tallarn special characters were still around

The Doctrine System isn't really the same thing though. It allowed you to make custom armies that could be anything. Kyoto is talking about detailed regiment rules specific to the actual types - Valhallan, Mordian, Vostroyan, etc. - not a set of generic 'choose your own adventure' Doctrines.

I wasn’t being unreasonable. Way to argue against something I wasn’t saying. ;-)

methebest wrote:
They had used to doctrine system to make regiment rules for all the regiments as well.

Great, but again, that's not the point Kyoto was making.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I wasn’t being unreasonable. Way to argue against something I wasn’t saying. ;-)

Nice dodge.

Zenithfleet wrote:
Put me in the 'mildly annoyed' camp. I've had the Gaunt's Ghosts box on the 'someday soon' purchase list for months now (to combine with some spare Last Chancers for a full squad). On a tight budget though, and I knew it would be ages before I got around to painting them, so there was always something more pressing.

If they'd had a 'last chance to buy', I'd have moved them to the top of the list and nabbed 'em.

Oh well. Off to eBay...

I can understand the frustration from this perspective. They did something very similar with the Specialist games. I don't mind GW retiring old products that they don't wish to keep in circulation. However, by having a 'last chance to buy' it does give the impression that they will at least try and inform customers and give them the last chance option to buy such miniatures before they are gone. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult to put them in the "you have three months left before these are no longer made option". It at least gives people the chance to pick them up. Otherwise there is a risk you leave a bad taste in the mouth especially if it was your current project.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What's weird though is they just got very significant and detailed regiment rules in the Codex (which they never had before). So yes, there are new players suddenly looking for Vostroyans and Valhallans. Maybe they built their whole army in the last few months, I don't know.

When marines get Chapter rules it's not a big deal since a Blood Angel is just marine painted red. But is a Tallarn just a Cadian painted tan?

If GW comes out with a boxed set, or several sets, that can make all the regiments it might make sense but for now...

If GW had called their regiment rules 'Raiders' or 'Gunlines' or 'Mechanized Infantry' it would be fine but they called them Tallarn, Mordian and Steel Legion.

Left hand, meet right hand. I hope you talk more.

What's weird to me is even in the most recent codex (Imperial knights) mentions are made of several of the discontinued regiments. There's a mention in the Hawkshroud lore that states the Valhallans are answering their call to aid, and another from a knights pov where it moves in to cover a Vostroyan Force's retreat.

I don't think you'd conciously make references like that when you plan to squat a range. Most likely is they'll just go on made to order rotation again. I'd love to hope we're getting plastic regiments but not holding my breath. Now would be the best chance for it given the age of the Cadian and catachans sprues (and the fact that cadia no longer exists) and in game every imperial player runs a CP battalion, so if they plan to move guardsmen this is probably the best they could ever hope to sell. That said shelf space in stores is crowded as is, and even the vostroyans don't command as much attention as Primaris unit #527 so I'd consider it unlikely plastic kits are in the works.

That said, I would love to be proven wrong if you're listening GW. I could use more Valhallans and you've already proven you can do greatcoats in plastic with the Skitarii.

I never thought we'd get Necro gangs in plastic so I guess anything is possible.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
So the title pretty much sums it up. All the old (and not so old) metal infantry regiments are OOP and "no longer available" on the GW website.
Even the Armageddon Steel legion (dating from 3rd edition) and Vostroyan (dating from middle of 4th edition, which is newer than current cadians).
These were still quite complete ranges, until now. No warning, no "Last Chance to Buy" operation.

So pretty sadface for me.

Of course. Instead of a good selection and variety for the Imperium, we get all SPHESS MUHREENZ, all the time. And judging from the recent 40k rules for the Termite, that policy doesn't look to be changed anytime soon.

Hey, the Admech can use the termite now too! :p